Ayatollah Khamenei is preparing Iran for his death

[925boy]

Or the truth hurts.

Language also shows deep link btwn Iran an Pakistan.

cultural appropriation isn't nice

 

[925boy]

lame discussion

Why u so "bored"? Not intellectual enough for u?

 

[PakistaniJunior]

Well it happened multiple times in your nations history.

IVC - Iranian Neolithic farmers

Aryans - Iranian BMAC steppe migrations

Islam - Irano-Turkic invasions

IMO it helps you against your Indian rivals because your genetics and history is different from them only because of East Iranic influence on you. Subtract that and you will be left with Indic only stuff.

Well even as per your claims, those neolithic iranic farmers are part of our heritage too then. It still doesn't separates Pakistanis from IVC.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

He got the corona virus too

 

[Mamluk]

You started as South Indian ASI (Ancestral South Indian) then you got male line layer of Iranian neolithic farmers from Zagros mountains in Iran who migrated through Balochistan and created the Indus Valley. Then Aryans were Tajiks (BMAC) who added another layer in your blood.

Basically you are a mixture of Ancestral South Indians (Majorly) altered by Iranic farmers in neolithic times and then Tajiks as Aryans. Your Islam also came from Iranic Plateau as a result of millennium of Invasions.

You are like the Iranian version of Afrocentrists. "Iranians came and built Indus Valley" -- so how come you don't have any native civilization, in Iranian Plateau, that's as old as IVC if you are the ones who created IVC? "We Wuz IVC Kangs"!

Arabs haplogroup J1 is like not even 1 % in your country.

Of course not. We were not dominated by Arab men like you were.

 

[drmeson]

You are like the Iranian version of Afrocentrists. "Iranians came and built Indus Valley" -- so how come you don't have any native civilization, in Iranian Plateau, that's as old as IVC if you are the ones who created IVC? "We Wuz IVC Kangs"!

This happens when you are illiterate on the subject yet.

Iran_N is still in DNA of Iranians and Turkish both. Its less because Iranians and Turkish both got massive layering by IE migration into the region. These groups that you keep hearing like Kurds, Azeris, Persians, Caspians, Lur ... they all came as foreigners and they mixed with locals to higher degree that locals lost their culture and got assimilated. Still on average Iranians have around 20-25 % Iran_N in their blood while Turkish have around 15-20 %. Its very high among eastern Iranics like Baloch (upto 70%) and Pashtuns (upto 40-50 % I think) as eastern Iranic groups did not receive IE in higher quantity like Anatolian or Iranians. Both these groups are legacy of Ancient Iranic civilization that dominated what is now North India.

See the green part in the plot thats Iran_N see how close it is between Iranians and Turkish and compare it to Baloch, Pashtuns (eastern Iranics) who are Iran_N heavy. Baloch and Sistanis are the real legacy of Iranian neolithic farmers.

As for our Genetic supremacy ... well I am no supremacist but I know lots on the subject which makes me amused by Anti Iranian blabbering by some Pakistani trolls here. Any pakistani who tries to abuse Iran is literally abusing his own genetic ancestors.

Of course not. We were not dominated by Arab men like you were.

Arabic J1 is not even 3 % among Iranians lol. Even the 3 % J1 that we have came from Caucasus with Migration into Iran and its subclade is different from Arabic J1.

https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0041252

Your logic failed. And also arabs ruled some part of Iran for 170 years (651-821 AD) years in total. We ruled them for you know how many centuries ? I will let you google before I post myself.

But for now take this map as reference. Its a start.

Well even as per your claims, those neolithic iranic farmers are part of our heritage too then. It still doesn't separates Pakistanis from IVC.

I never said it. To me, an Iranian nationalist, your country is part of Iranic cline and with Afghan dominance (higher birth rate I think ?) It will become more Iranic with time.

the map which shows all arrows going everywhere from iran but only one arrow entering iran

That is not Turkic. Thats Anatolian Farmer (ANF) which was same as Iran_N but with mild Western Hunter Gatherer WHG input (from Southern Europe). The north western most groups of Iranian farmers (what became Medes) mixed with ANF to yield out what is now eastern Turkey. These groups later migrated into further west into Anatolia and then into Europe. To this day Turkish show upto 15-20 % Iran_N for the very same reason.

Yeah mountain and desert. How come these mountains and deserts shipped out millions of farmers everywhere?

Iranic cline was created by Eurasian basal Farmers (Caucasus Hunter Gatherers) into what we call Iranian neolithic farmers sometimes during start of the neolithic age. They lived at Alborz range and migrated into all four directions because of harsh weather in Mountainous ranges where they lived. Its the same reason why steppe people migrated as well. Why Aryans migrated ...

Their eastward migration into desert created Baloch, Sistanis (sistanis are massively dominated by laterwards IE migrations) and then mixed with Indians (female line) to create IVC further east. They mixed with ANE of Anatolia migrated westwards, they migrated north and contributed to Steppe people as well. They have a fascinating history. Ironically their own homeland got run over by Indo European groups like Persians, Kurds, Parthians etc during the IE migrations.

anyhow can you point to a moment in history where population of iranian plateau was greater than fertile valley of Indus?

I think it never was. Iranian farmers who migrated into what became IVC probably conquered the place from local Indian Hunter gatherer and mated with local females in heavy numbers (current Pakistani male lineages are dominantly Iranic R group, not Indic basal haplogroups) like probably one man mated with multiple women to create the IVC civilization. For some reason your countrymen here on this forum wants to deny this proven history, can you tell me why ? Its a fascinating piece of history which shows up in your blood to this day.

 

[PakistaniJunior]

This happens when you are illiterate on the subject yet.

Iran_N is still in DNA of Iranians and Turkish both. Its less because Iranians and Turkish both got massive layering by IE migration into the region. These groups that you keep hearing like Kurds, Azeris, Persians, Caspians, Lur ... they all came as foreigners and they mixed with locals to higher degree that locals lost their culture and got assimilated. Still on average Iranians have around 20-25 % Iran_N in their blood while Turkish have around 15-20 %. Its very high among eastern Iranics like Baloch (upto 70%) and Pashtuns (upto 40-50 % I think) as eastern Iranic groups did not receive IE in higher quantity like Anatolian or Iranians. Both these groups are legacy of Ancient Iranic civilization that dominated what is now North India.

See the green part in the plot thats Iran_N see how close it is between Iranians and Turkish and compare it to Baloch, Pashtuns (eastern Iranics) who are Iran_N heavy. Baloch and Sistanis are the real legacy of Iranian neolithic farmers.

As for our Genetic supremacy ... well I am no supremacist but I know lots on the subject which makes me amused by Anti Iranian blabbering by some Pakistani trolls here. Any pakistani who tries to abuse Iran is literally abusing his own genetic ancestors.




Arabic J1 is not even 3 % among Iranians lol. Even the 3 % J1 that we have came from Caucasus with Migration into Iran and its subclade is different from Arabic J1.

https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0041252

Your logic failed. And also arabs ruled some part of Iran for 170 years (651-821 AD) years in total. We ruled them for you know how many centuries ? I will let you google before I post myself.

But for now take this map as reference. Its a start.

I never said it. To me, an Iranian nationalist, your country is part of Iranic cline and with Afghan dominance (higher birth rate I think ?) It will become more Iranic with time.



That is not Turkic. Thats Anatolian Farmer (ANF) which was same as Iran_N but with mild Western Hunter Gatherer WHG input (from Southern Europe). The north western most groups of Iranian farmers (what became Medes) mixed with ANF to yield out what is now eastern Turkey. These groups later migrated into further west into Anatolia and then into Europe. To this day Turkish show upto 15-20 % Iran_N for the very same reason.



Iranic cline was created by Eurasian basal Farmers (Caucasus Hunter Gatherers) into what we call Iranian neolithic farmers sometimes during start of the neolithic age. They lived at Alborz range and migrated into all four directions because of harsh weather in Mountainous ranges where they lived. Its the same reason why steppe people migrated as well. Why Aryans migrated ...

Their eastward migration into desert created Baloch, Sistanis (sistanis are massively dominated by laterwards IE migrations) and then mixed with Indians (female line) to create IVC further east. They mixed with ANE of Anatolia migrated westwards, they migrated north and contributed to Steppe people as well. They have a fascinating history. Ironically their own homeland got run over by Indo European groups like Persians, Kurds, Parthians etc during the IE migrations.



I think it never was. Iranian farmers who migrated into what became IVC probably conquered the place from local Indian Hunter gatherer and mated with local females in heavy numbers (current Pakistani male lineages are dominantly Iranic R group, not Indic basal haplogroups) like probably one man mated with multiple women to create the IVC civilization. For some reason your countrymen here on this forum wants to deny this proven history, can you tell me why ? Its a fascinating piece of history which shows up in your blood to this day.

Interesting read. I guess the answer to your question would be that we're still trying to define what true "pakistaniat" is. For some it lies along the Islamic lines while for others it lies along ethnic lines. However, Islam shouldn't be the only uniting glue for us here, we need another unique uniting factor to justify the existence Pakistan aside from Islam. That comes in the form of IVC. From what i understand, IVC is a heritage that should be unique to only Pakistanis and only we should lay claim to it.

I have my own views as to what Pakistaniat should be, but i was just explaining what i think Pakistaniat means to my fellow countrymen.

 

[Mamluk]

This happens when you are illiterate on the subject yet.

Iran_N is still in DNA of Iranians and Turkish both. Its less because Iranians and Turkish both got massive layering by IE migration into the region. These groups that you keep hearing like Kurds, Azeris, Persians, Caspians, Lur ... they all came as foreigners and they mixed with locals to higher degree that locals lost their culture and got assimilated. Still on average Iranians have around 20-25 % Iran_N in their blood while Turkish have around 15-20 %. Its very high among eastern Iranics like Baloch (upto 70%) and Pashtuns (upto 40-50 % I think) as eastern Iranic groups did not receive IE in higher quantity like Anatolian or Iranians. Both these groups are legacy of Ancient Iranic civilization that dominated what is now North India.

See the green part in the plot thats Iran_N see how close it is between Iranians and Turkish and compare it to Baloch, Pashtuns (eastern Iranics) who are Iran_N heavy. Baloch and Sistanis are the real legacy of Iranian neolithic farmers.

As for our Genetic supremacy ... well I am no supremacist but I know lots on the subject which makes me amused by Anti Iranian blabbering by some Pakistani trolls here. Any pakistani who tries to abuse Iran is literally abusing his own genetic ancestors.




Arabic J1 is not even 3 % among Iranians lol. Even the 3 % J1 that we have came from Caucasus with Migration into Iran and its subclade is different from Arabic J1.

https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0041252

Your logic failed. And also arabs ruled some part of Iran for 170 years (651-821 AD) years in total. We ruled them for you know how many centuries ? I will let you google before I post myself.

But for now take this map as reference. Its a start.

I never said it. To me, an Iranian nationalist, your country is part of Iranic cline and with Afghan dominance (higher birth rate I think ?) It will become more Iranic with time.



That is not Turkic. Thats Anatolian Farmer (ANF) which was same as Iran_N but with mild Western Hunter Gatherer WHG input (from Southern Europe). The north western most groups of Iranian farmers (what became Medes) mixed with ANF to yield out what is now eastern Turkey. These groups later migrated into further west into Anatolia and then into Europe. To this day Turkish show upto 15-20 % Iran_N for the very same reason.



Iranic cline was created by Eurasian basal Farmers (Caucasus Hunter Gatherers) into what we call Iranian neolithic farmers sometimes during start of the neolithic age. They lived at Alborz range and migrated into all four directions because of harsh weather in Mountainous ranges where they lived. Its the same reason why steppe people migrated as well. Why Aryans migrated ...

Their eastward migration into desert created Baloch, Sistanis (sistanis are massively dominated by laterwards IE migrations) and then mixed with Indians (female line) to create IVC further east. They mixed with ANE of Anatolia migrated westwards, they migrated north and contributed to Steppe people as well. They have a fascinating history. Ironically their own homeland got run over by Indo European groups like Persians, Kurds, Parthians etc during the IE migrations.



I think it never was. Iranian farmers who migrated into what became IVC probably conquered the place from local Indian Hunter gatherer and mated with local females in heavy numbers (current Pakistani male lineages are dominantly Iranic R group, not Indic basal haplogroups) like probably one man mated with multiple women to create the IVC civilization. For some reason your countrymen here on this forum wants to deny this proven history, can you tell me why ? Its a fascinating piece of history which shows up in your blood to this day.

You still have not answered my question.

IVC is more than 7000 years old. Name one civilization in Iranian plateau that's as old. If it's Iranians who came and built IVC, why is Iran so devoid of any signs of civilization that's contemporary to IVC?

Don't post irrelevant stuff.

Interesting read.

No it's not. He's bull$hitting. A lot of what he says is totally wrong, like Anatolian farmers being same as Iran_N or Anatolians having less Iran_N because of IE ancestry. His knowledge on this topic is laughable. Go to forums like anthrogenica if you want to learn something.

 

[Ace of Spades]

You called your own death by posting this nature's paper which everyone on internet uses to prove that Indus valley comes from Iran_N. Your own posted paper is saying that Iranian Farmers migrated into South Asia and Created Indus valley. Your quick google search did not tell you that probably.

Lets analyse this paper.

Here are you words of your own posted paper.

The archaeological record indicates an eastward Neolithic expansion from the eastern regions of the Near East into Central and South Asia.

Near East is West Asia (Iranic plateau). Author is saying that Iran_N (Iranian Neolithic farmers) migrated into south Asia esp into the place which became Indus valley. Try to dispute it please.

Our analysis shows that both the Caucasus Hunter Gatherer Kotias and GD13a are plausible sources for the Eurasian Ancestry found in that part of Asia.

Iran_N = Caucus Hunter Gatherer CHG. The Near East population (Iran_N) were most likely hunter-gatherers from the Caucasus (CHG)

CHG in you came from Iran_N who created Indus valley.

GD13 is a Iranian neolithic farmer sample found inside Iran.

(From same paper)

To answer this question, we sequenced the genome of an early Neolithic farmer from Ganj Dareh, GD13a, from the Central Zagros (Western Iran), dated to 10000-9700 cal BP

Figure 1: GD13a appears to be related to Caucasus Hunter Gatherers and to modern South Asian populations.

(A) PCA loaded on modern populations (represented by open symbols). Ancient individuals (solid symbols) are projected onto these axes. (B) Outgroup f3( X , GD13a; Dinka), where Caucasus Hunter Gatherers (Kotias and Satsurblia) share the most drift with GD13a. Ancient samples have filled circles whereas modern populations are represented by empty symbols. (C) ADMIXTURE using K = 17, where GD13a appears very similar to Caucasus Hunter Gatherers, and to a lesser extent to modern south Asian populations.

Even though part of the Western Eurasian component found in India can be linked to Bronze Age migrations

Western Eurasian Migration into India in the bronze age ... LOL

Even the Steppe Aryans who entered South Asia were Iranicised at BMAC in Tajik belt first. Steppe itself had massive Iran_N. Uptake. Technically speaking Iran_N created IVC, Elam, Steppe, Aryans and last but least the Iranian (post Indo european mixing) cline as well.

Farmers related to GD13a (Iran_N) contributed to the eastern diffusion of agriculture from the Near East that reached Turkmenistan32 by the 6th millennium BP, and continued further east to the Indus Valley

HAHAHA

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Another paper from American Journal of Human Genetics

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ajhg.2018.10.022

Eurasian genetic contributions in South Asia derive from Neolithic Iranians and early Bronze Age steppe populations.36, 37

A previous ancient-DNA study has suggested that the Iran_N and Steppe_EMBA groups are the best proxies for the ancient West Eurasian component in South Asians. The study also suggested that most South Asians can be modeled as a mixture of these two groups but also have Onge- and Han-related ancestries,37

In fact, we found that the model with Iran_N, Steppe_EMBA, and Onge works equally well for all modern and ancient South Asians.

The higher affinity and admixture of PNWI (Pakistan North West Indian) populations with Neolithic Iranians and Anatolians (Figures S6C, S7B, and S8B and Tables S9 and S10), coupled with the substantial Middle Eastern component (dark blue, Figure 1B) and the significant influx of the Middle-East-related male lineage J2-M172 (Table S4) into the Indian sub-continent through the Northwest corridor,94 might agree with earlier archaeological work that took place at Mehargarh and that suggested the plausible influence from the Zagros or Levant region on the first evident settled way of life in South Asia.

Among extant populations, both the Kalash and Ror groups stand out because they have the highest proportions of the ANI component, which can be modeled as a mixture of Iranian Neolithic and either Early-Middle (in case of the Kalash) or Middle-Late (in case of the Ror) Bronze Age Steppe ancestries.

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AND

off-course we do not cluster now because Iranic population now changed its DNA massively post Indo European migration into the Iranic plateau (Medes Azeri, Kurds, Persian, Parthians, Pashtun etc). We and Turkish cluster massively with each other for the very same reason. Turkish themselves are cultural Turkic but genetically Indo Europeans like Iranians with mild Turkic input (15 %). Pre IE migration, IVC, ELam inside Iran and to some extent Anatolia were genetically very similar but not anymore because of IE migration into Iranic plateau. The eastern and southern Iranic groups like Pashtuns and Baloch to this day carry the Iranian neolithic legacy in their blood. If it does not suit your agenda then its not my problem.

Look at the green component which is basically Iran_N.

I am not gonna lecture you on genetics; don't have time for that, better to take a crash course and then come for discussion. Plain stupid is the best way to describe your narrative. Again, first get the basic knowledge of genetics and then read the paper again.

Your own posted paper is saying that Iranian Farmers migrated into South Asia and Created Indus valley.

Show me where it says in the paper; are you retarded or you've studied in Iran's top university giving you such an amazing knowledge?

Read my previous post again, when a neighboring populace is sequenced genetically, you will always find common variants given they coexist for a very long time. It's inevitable due to factors such as migration, intermixing. And it's vice and versa, now claiming that some retards created IVC is plain stupid and shows that you don't even know the abc of genetics.

 

[El Sidd]

Thats Anatolian Farmer (ANF) which was same as Iran_N but with mild Western Hunter Gatherer WHG input

Thats illogical as even your map shows arrow from anatolia to iran and not vice versa.
who moves from wild wheat growing lands to mountains?

Iranian farmers who migrated into what became IVC probably conquered the place from local Indian Hunter gatherer and mated with local females in heavy numbers (current Pakistani male lineages are dominantly Iranic R group, not Indic basal haplogroups) like probably one man mated with multiple women to create the IVC civilization. For some reason your countrymen here on this forum wants to deny this proven history, can you tell me why ? Its a fascinating piece of history which shows up in your blood to this day.

wow so you believe IVC people despite having farmlands and valleys were hunter and gatherer low iq that farmers conquered them.

i don't deny Iranian heritage but i also know brother kill brother more efficiently than outsiders.

so chill out with the stories told in famine of glorious days far behind in the past

 

[gangsta_rap]

HARAY HARAY MAN TURKEM

 

[drmeson]

Thats illogical as even your map shows arrow from anatolia to iran and not vice versa.
who moves from wild wheat growing lands to mountains?

Because the map is for a certain timeline. It does not show later wards movements of Iran_N+ANF to the west/Europe. It shows up to 5000 BC. Look at post Iranic cline development that the same Iranic cline gives out Turan/Turkic in Western China (again Iranic males and Mongoloid females) and also gives steppe.

NW Iranic groups that later got mixed by incoming Aryan groups like Persians, Kurds, Azeris etc show mild level ANE/WHG in their DNA compared to east Iranic like Afghans, Baloch who show nothing of that sort. This shows that bordering Iranic groups had input from WHG (southern Europe).

After that time line the mixtures of ANE (Mild) and Iran_N (majorly) moved westwards and contributed to the Southern and South east European genetics. While Iran_N went to east to create IVC and indian cline, while it also moved North to create the Steppe DNA which later gave European cline and also the legendary group called Aryans (Tajiks) who gave you chiseled features and fairer skin.

To this day Europeans show Iran_N results. Look at the Green proportions in French, Georgians, Spanish in my posted plot. Where do you think that came from. lol

wow so you believe IVC people despite having farmlands and valleys were hunter and gatherer low iq that farmers conquered them.

They were aboriginal Indians called Australoid, before Iranic neolithic migrants conquered/invaded or through whatever means dominated them and created the IVC. If you deny that then I will start posting DNA results to show the massive Iran_N dominated IVC samples and compare them to modern day Indic side Pakistani DNA results.

i don't deny Iranian heritage but i also know brother kill brother more efficiently than outsiders.

Brothers in this case were sons Iranian neolithic farmers.

As for Iranian heritage. Its not my problem that some of your countrymen are staunch Indic nationalist to the point that they are denying DNA results because it challenges their Indic mindset. Islam or no Islam, its just funny.

so chill out with the stories told in famine of glorious days far behind in the past

These are not stories. These are facts stamped in your blood. Also the real Iranic glory came later when Steppe groups like Persians, Kurds, Azeris, Caspians, Afghans etc started migrating into Iranic plateau.

 

[El Sidd]

Because the map is for a certain timeline. It does not show later wards movements of Iran_N+ANF to the west/Europe. It shows up to 5000 BC. Look at post Iranic cline development that the same Iranic cline gives out Turan/Turkic in Western China (again Iranic males and Mongoloid females) and also gives steppe.

NW Iranic groups that later got mixed by incoming Aryan groups like Persians, Kurds, Azeris etc show mild level ANE/WHG in their DNA compared to east Iranic like Afghans, Baloch who show nothing of that sort. This shows that bordering Iranic groups had input from WHG (southern Europe).

After that time line the mixtures of ANE (Mild) and Iran_N (majorly) moved westwards and contributed to the Southern and South east European genetics. While Iran_N went to east to create IVC and indian cline, while it also moved North to create the Steppe DNA which later gave European cline and also the legendary group called Aryans (Tajiks) who gave you chiseled features and fairer skin.

To this day Europeans show Iran_N results. Look at the Green proportions in French, Georgians, Spanish in my posted plot. Where do you think that came from. lol



They were aboriginal Indians called Australoid, before Iranic neolithic migrants conquered/invaded or through whatever means dominated them and created the IVC. If you deny that then I will start posting DNA results to show the massive Iran_N dominated IVC samples and compare them to modern day Indic side Pakistani DNA results.



Brothers in this case were sons Iranian neolithic farmers.

As for Iranian heritage. Its not my problem that some of your countrymen are staunch Indic nationalist to the point that they are denying DNA results because it challenges their Indic mindset. Islam or no Islam, its just funny.



These are not stories. These are facts stamped in your blood. Also the real Iranic glory came later when Steppe groups like Persians, Kurds, Azeris, Caspians, Afghans etc started migrating into Iranic plateau.

Man this is just good story telling while carpet weaving.

you cannot just cherry pick whatever that meets the political needs. we have gone through this debate in 1970s and it did not bode well for you back then either

 

[drmeson]

I am not gonna lecture you on genetics; don't have time for that, better to take a crash course and then come for discussion. Plain stupid is the best way to describe your narrative. Again, first get the basic knowledge of genetics and then read the paper again.

Trash talk means nothing. Post Research papers which say that IVC was not created by Iranian neolithic farmers. Do that and prove your point instead of hiding behind trash talking.

Show me where it says in the paper;

Always ready to do so ...

(Bold is direct quotes from your own posted paper, Italic is my explanation)

The archaeological record indicates an eastward Neolithic expansion from the eastern regions of the Near East into Central and South Asia.

Near East is West Asia (Iranic plateau). Author is saying that Iran_N (Iranian Neolithic farmers) migrated into south Asia esp into the place which became Indus valley.

Our analysis shows that both the Caucasus Hunter Gatherer Kotias and GD13a are plausible sources for the Eurasian Ancestry found in that part of Asia.


GD13 is Iranian neolithic farmer (Iran_N) from Iran. Iran_N = Caucus Hunter Gatherer (CHG). Author is saying that CHG/Iran_N are sources of eurasian ancestry in South Asia or Iran_N/CHG in you came from Iran_N migration who created Indus valley.

To answer this question, we sequenced the genome of an early Neolithic farmer from Ganj Dareh, GD13a, from the Central Zagros (Western Iran), dated to 10000-9700 cal BP. GD13a appears to be related to Caucasus Hunter Gatherers and to modern South Asian populations.

Author says that to Iran_N = CHG, which relates to modern day South Asians because it migrated into the modern day northern part of the Subcontinent (which later became IVC).

(A) PCA loaded on modern populations (represented by open symbols). Ancient individuals (solid symbols) are projected onto these axes. (B) Outgroup f3( X , GD13a; Dinka), where Caucasus Hunter Gatherers (Kotias and Satsurblia) share the most drift with GD13a. Ancient samples have filled circles whereas modern populations are represented by empty symbols. (C) ADMIXTURE using K = 17, where GD13a appears very similar to Caucasus Hunter Gatherers, and to a lesser extent to modern south Asian populations.

Again the author says that Iran_N = CHG and it shows up similiarity to South Asians because of migration.

Even though part of the Western Eurasian component found in India can be linked to Bronze Age migrations

Western Eurasian Migration into India in the bronze age literally means Iran_N migrating into South Asia

Farmers related to GD13a contributed to the eastern diffusion of agriculture from the Near East that reached Turkmenistan32 by the 6th millennium BP, and continued further east to the Indus Valley

Iran_N migrated migrated and reached the place which later became Indus valley.

To help you I am posting a supporting map.

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Another paper from American Journal of Human Genetics

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ajhg.2018.10.022

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(Direct quotations in Bold, my explanations are in Italics)

Eurasian genetic contributions in South Asia derive from Neolithic Iranians and early Bronze Age steppe populations.36, 37

Author says that DNA wise eurasian component in South Asians came from Iran_N

A previous ancient-DNA study has suggested that the Iran_N and Steppe_EMBA groups are the best proxies for the ancient West Eurasian component in South Asians. The study also suggested that most South Asians can be modeled as a mixture of these two groups but also have Onge- and Han-related ancestries,37

In fact, we found that the model with Iran_N, Steppe_EMBA, and Onge works equally well for all modern and ancient South Asians.

Iran_N is the major contributor to the South Asian cline. Look at the green component. Also the Steppe MLBA itself is like upto 40 % Iran_N itself. so technically thats like average you is more than 50 % Iran_N thanks to Indus valley IVC (Iran_N) and Aryan migration (Tajik Persians).

The higher affinity and admixture of PNWI (Pakistan North West Indian) populations with Neolithic Iranians and Anatolians (Figures S6C, S7B, and S8B and Tables S9 and S10), coupled with the substantial Middle Eastern component (dark blue, Figure 1B) and the significant influx of the Middle-East-related male lineage J2-M172 (Table S4) into the Indian sub-continent through the Northwest corridor,94 might agree with earlier archaeological work that took place at Mehargarh and that suggested the plausible influence from the Zagros or Levant region on the first evident settled way of life in South Asia.

Mehragarh was created by Iran_N farmers who migrated from Zagros mountains (Persian, Lur, Kurd stronghold).

IVC haplogroups (passed on from father to son) are characteristic Iranic.

Among extant populations, both the Kalash and Ror groups stand out because they have the highest proportions of the ANI component, which can be modeled as a mixture of Iranian Neolithic and either Early-Middle (in case of the Kalash) or Middle-Late (in case of the Ror) Bronze Age Steppe ancestries.

Kalash and Ror have high Iran_N. lol

Show me where it says in the paper; are you retarded or you've studied in Iran's top university giving you such an amazing knowledge?

Our universities are higher raked than you. Our Research output, H-Index and STEM outsput is much much higher than you despite sanctions and difficult envoironment we live in.

Iranian H_index is 22, Pakistan is 45

https://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php

We have 5 STEM universities in top Asian ranking above 100 and you have none

https://www.timeshighereducation.co...ons/PK/sort_by/rank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats

.... Try better and I have more ammo in storage ...

Read my previous post again, when a neighboring populace is sequenced genetically, you will always find common variants given they coexist for a very long time.

Iran_N and Indic aboriginals never coexisted. They mixed up after Iran_N migrated into the region and IVC got created. Show proof otherwise that they coexisted ?

And it's vice and versa, now claiming that some retards created IVC is plain stupid and shows that you don't even know the abc of genetics.

Provide Proof (published research with DOI number in a western journal) that says that Iran_N did not create IVC). I posted quotations from two research papers from nature and AJHG (I can provide three more immediately) that says directly that Iran_N is the IVC creator and IVC people were Iran_N dominated indic aboriginals. If you disagree with that why do not you post research papers instead of trash talking you Indic nationalist.

 

[drmeson]

Man this is just good story telling while carpet weaving.

you cannot just cherry pick whatever that meets the political needs. we have gone through this debate in 1970s and it did not bode well for you back then either

Means nothing.

Autosomal DNA proves that IVC and Aryan migrations wwere laced with two versions of Iranic DNA. IVC from Iranian neolithic and Aryans by Steppe and BMAC.

Rest does not matter.