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Ayatollah Khamenei is preparing Iran for his death

These people remind me of Saddam. When he attacked Khuzestan, he thought the Iranian Arabs would join him to fight Iran, but they were the first people to pick up guns to fight him! They do not understand the mentality of Iranians and their love for the country.

Iran/Persia is an ancient nation unlike recently formed nation states in the Middle East and the Sub continent by European colonists in the 19th century.. Correct me if i'm wrong but i think Iranian national identity supersedes any religious sectarian identities.. Same as Turkey even though you differ ideologically.. It's the same reason that Iran still have a considerable number of ethnic Jews in the country despite being a staunch opponent of Israel, While Jews have been ethnically cleansed elsewhere in the Arab world
 
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Iran/Persia is an ancient nation unlike recently formed nation states in the Middle East and the Sub continent by European colonists in the 19th century.. Correct me if i'm wrong but i think Iranian national identity supersedes any religious sectarian identities.. Same as Turkey even though you differ ideologically.. It's the same reason that Iran still have a considerable number of ethnic Jews in the country despite being a staunch opponent of Israel, While Jews have been ethnically cleansed elsewhere in the Arab world

People blinded by stupid sectarianism think Iran is some 50-60 years old political country which can be divided on sectarian or ethnic lines. Saddam made this mistake and his army had to save themselves from Iranian Arabs. USSR tried having Azerbaijan and it was Iranian Azeri Turkic who formed militias and saved Azerbaijan. Same goes for Kurds inside Iran who adheres to Iranian identity.

Our identity is atleast 8000 years old .. We created Indus valley, We created Elam, We created Medes, We created Parsi Empires ...

Turkish identity is 1000 years old and starts with Seljuk invasions.
 
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We created Indus valley, We created Elam, We created Medes, We created Parsi Empires ...

Stop mental masturbation; no wonder your country is what it is today because of morons like you? You created nothing but sectarianism and fitna. Indus valley is oldest civilization of this region, and it belongs to the people of Indus, Pakistanis. A iranian coming and claiming part of our history is as pathetic as gangus claiming to be part of Indus valley civilization. If in doubt: look at the map of Pakistan, locate indus valley and the Indus river, you will get the geographical and historical idea.
 
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Stop mental masturbation; no wonder your country is what it is today because of morons like you? You created nothing but sectarianism and fitna. Indus valley is oldest civilization of this region, and it belongs to the people of Indus, Pakistanis. A iranian coming and claiming part of our history is as pathetic as gangus claiming to be part of Indus valley civilization. If in doubt: look at the map of Pakistan, locate indus valley and the Indus river, you will get the geographical and historical idea.

HAHAHA

Indus valley was created by Iranian neolithic farmers when they migrated into the region from Zagros Mountains Inside Iran. Your DNA has the markers of ancient Iranian farmers who mixed with south Indians and created the Indus valley cline.

Deny it and you will be bombarded with proof (Published research papers in international peer reviewed Journals). Cmon deny it. I dare you.

Here is your clue as a beginner. Look at the extreme right Iranian farmer cline creating Indus Periphery.



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Look at the migration route of Iranian farmers. They simultaneously created Indus valley, Steppe, Anatolian cline.

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HAHAHA

Indus valley was created by Iranian neolithic farmers when they migrated into the region from Zagros Mountains Inside Iran. Your DNA has the markers of ancient Iranian farmers who mixed with south Indians and created the Indus valley cline.

Deny it and you will be bombarded with proof (Published research papers in international peer reviewed Journals). Cmon deny it. I dare you.

Here is your clue as a beginner. Look at the extreme right Iranian farmer cline creating Indus Periphery.



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Look at the migration route of Iranian farmers. They simultaneously created Indus valley, Steppe, Anatolian cline.

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https://www.nature.com/articles/srep31326

There goes your research in the trash can, this from world renowned journal; an extract from the article

The archaeological record indicates an eastward Neolithic expansion from the eastern regions of the Near East into Central and South Asia32,37. Our analysis shows that both the Caucasus Hunter Gatherer Kotias and GD13a are plausible sources for the Eurasian Ancestry found in that part of Asia. Even though part of the Western Eurasian component found in India can be linked to Bronze Age migrations by dating the last contact using Linkage Disequilibrium (thus coming from the Kotias lineage), our results highlight the possibility of an older contribution from a source genetically close to GD13a (which would be hard to disentangle from the later gene flow from the Steppe). Eventually, ancient DNA from the Indus Valley will be needed to detect conclusively whether any genetic traces were left by the eastward Neolithic expansion from the Near East, or whether this process was mostly cultural.


And i don't know where you get your knowledge of genetics, but presence of a single genetic variants doesn't prove anything. The clusters count, and a population with a certain genetic variant always have it mixed up with neighboring populace and vice and versa. Again, empty rhetoric are probably good for your own bravado but don't bring such shit under discussion academically.
 
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https://www.nature.com/articles/srep31326

There goes your research in the trash can, this from world renowned journal; an extract from the article

The archaeological record indicates an eastward Neolithic expansion from the eastern regions of the Near East into Central and South Asia32,37. Our analysis shows that both the Caucasus Hunter Gatherer Kotias and GD13a are plausible sources for the Eurasian Ancestry found in that part of Asia. Even though part of the Western Eurasian component found in India can be linked to Bronze Age migrations by dating the last contact using Linkage Disequilibrium (thus coming from the Kotias lineage), our results highlight the possibility of an older contribution from a source genetically close to GD13a (which would be hard to disentangle from the later gene flow from the Steppe). Eventually, ancient DNA from the Indus Valley will be needed to detect conclusively whether any genetic traces were left by the eastward Neolithic expansion from the Near East, or whether this process was mostly cultural.

You called your own death by posting this nature's paper which everyone on internet uses to prove that Indus valley comes from Iran_N. Your own posted paper is saying that Iranian Farmers migrated into South Asia and Created Indus valley. Your quick google search did not tell you that probably.

Lets analyse this paper.

Here are you words of your own posted paper.

The archaeological record indicates an eastward Neolithic expansion from the eastern regions of the Near East into Central and South Asia.


Near East is West Asia (Iranic plateau). Author is saying that Iran_N (Iranian Neolithic farmers) migrated into south Asia esp into the place which became Indus valley. Try to dispute it please.

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Our analysis shows that both the Caucasus Hunter Gatherer Kotias and GD13a are plausible sources for the Eurasian Ancestry found in that part of Asia.


Iran_N = Caucus Hunter Gatherer CHG. The Near East population (Iran_N) were most likely hunter-gatherers from the Caucasus (CHG)

CHG in you came from Iran_N who created Indus valley.

GD13 is a Iranian neolithic farmer sample found inside Iran.

(From same paper)

To answer this question, we sequenced the genome of an early Neolithic farmer from Ganj Dareh, GD13a, from the Central Zagros (Western Iran), dated to 10000-9700 cal BP

Figure 1: GD13a appears to be related to Caucasus Hunter Gatherers and to modern South Asian populations.


(A) PCA loaded on modern populations (represented by open symbols). Ancient individuals (solid symbols) are projected onto these axes. (B) Outgroup f3( X , GD13a; Dinka), where Caucasus Hunter Gatherers (Kotias and Satsurblia) share the most drift with GD13a. Ancient samples have filled circles whereas modern populations are represented by empty symbols. (C) ADMIXTURE using K = 17, where GD13a appears very similar to Caucasus Hunter Gatherers, and to a lesser extent to modern south Asian populations.

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Even though part of the Western Eurasian component found in India can be linked to Bronze Age migrations

Western Eurasian Migration into India in the bronze age ... LOL

Even the Steppe Aryans who entered South Asia were Iranicised at BMAC in Tajik belt first. Steppe itself had massive Iran_N. Uptake. Technically speaking Iran_N created IVC, Elam, Steppe, Aryans and last but least the Iranian (post Indo european mixing) cline as well.

Farmers related to GD13a (Iran_N) contributed to the eastern diffusion of agriculture from the Near East that reached Turkmenistan32 by the 6th millennium BP, and continued further east to the Indus Valley

HAHAHA

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Another paper from American Journal of Human Genetics

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ajhg.2018.10.022

Eurasian genetic contributions in South Asia derive from Neolithic Iranians and early Bronze Age steppe populations.36, 37

A previous ancient-DNA study has suggested that the Iran_N and Steppe_EMBA groups are the best proxies for the ancient West Eurasian component in South Asians. The study also suggested that most South Asians can be modeled as a mixture of these two groups but also have Onge- and Han-related ancestries,37

In fact, we found that the model with Iran_N, Steppe_EMBA, and Onge works equally well for all modern and ancient South Asians.

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The higher affinity and admixture of PNWI (Pakistan North West Indian) populations with Neolithic Iranians and Anatolians (Figures S6C, S7B, and S8B and Tables S9 and S10), coupled with the substantial Middle Eastern component (dark blue, Figure 1B) and the significant influx of the Middle-East-related male lineage J2-M172 (Table S4) into the Indian sub-continent through the Northwest corridor,94 might agree with earlier archaeological work that took place at Mehargarh and that suggested the plausible influence from the Zagros or Levant region on the first evident settled way of life in South Asia.

Among extant populations, both the Kalash and Ror groups stand out because they have the highest proportions of the ANI component, which can be modeled as a mixture of Iranian Neolithic and either Early-Middle (in case of the Kalash) or Middle-Late (in case of the Ror) Bronze Age Steppe ancestries.

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off-course we do not cluster now because Iranic population now changed its DNA massively post Indo European migration into the Iranic plateau (Medes Azeri, Kurds, Persian, Parthians, Pashtun etc). We and Turkish cluster massively with each other for the very same reason. Turkish themselves are cultural Turkic but genetically Indo Europeans like Iranians with mild Turkic input (15 %). Pre IE migration, IVC, ELam inside Iran and to some extent Anatolia were genetically very similar but not anymore because of IE migration into Iranic plateau. The eastern and southern Iranic groups like Pashtuns and Baloch to this day carry the Iranian neolithic legacy in their blood. If it does not suit your agenda then its not my problem.

Look at the green component which is basically Iran_N.

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Indus valley was created by Iranian neolithic farmers when they migrated into the region from Zagros Mountains Inside Iran. Your DNA has the markers of ancient Iranian farmers who mixed with south Indians and created the Indus valley cline.

cultural appropriation isn't nice
 
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cultural appropriation isn't nice

Well it happened multiple times in your nations history.

IVC - Iranian Neolithic farmers

Aryans - Iranian BMAC steppe migrations

Islam - Irano-Turkic invasions

IMO it helps you against your Indian rivals because your genetics and history is different from them only because of East Iranic influence on you. Subtract that and you will be left with Indic only stuff.
 
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map shows you turk colonised Iranian plateau

Which map ?

btw Turkic markers in Iran (except for Azeris, Iranian Turkmens) are missing. Its upto 8-10 % in Azeris and upto 15-18 % in Turkish people.

what does that even mean? like outsiders who come in and settle? but you are mostly a desert how come you claiming the whole of humanity like that?

Iran is one of the most mountainous countries in the world. Learn before typing.

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Most of the post IE population (current) also inherently is mountain dwelling.

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Which map ?
the map which shows all arrows going everywhere from iran but only one arrow entering iran
Iran is one of the most mountainous countries in the world. Learn before typing.

Yeah mountain and desert. How come these mountains and deserts shipped out millions of farmers everywhere?

Wheat grows wild in Turkey you know that right? you are one annunaki people who survived without water.

anyhow can you point to a moment in history where population of iranian plateau was greater than fertile valley of Indus?
 
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you are one annunaki people who survived without water.

We had water. We dug Qanats to transport water. Its not possible to have the famous Persian gardens without water
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anyhow can you point to a moment in history where population of iranian plateau was greater than fertile valley of Indus?

By share of population, the largest empire was the Achaemenid Empire, better known as the Persian Empire, which accounted for approximately 49.4 million of the world’s 112.4 million people in around 480 BC – an astonishing 44%. Originating in modern-day Iran, the empire was first established by Cyrus the Great and included parts of Central Asia, the Mediterranean, North Africa, and even European territories such as ancient Thrace and Macedonia.
https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/largest-empire-by-percentage-of-world-population/
How is it possible to control 44% of the world population from within Iran if Iranian plateu had a low population?
 
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We had water. We dug Qanats to transport water. Its not possible to have the famous Persian gardens without water
aren't those a babylonian invention?

By share of population, the largest empire was the Achaemenid Empire, better known as the Persian Empire, which accounted for approximately 49.4 million of the world’s 112.4 million people in around 480 BC – an astonishing 44%. Originating in modern-day Iran, the empire was first established by Cyrus the Great and included parts of Central Asia, the Mediterranean, North Africa, and even European territories such as ancient Thrace and Macedonia.
https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/largest-empire-by-percentage-of-world-population/
How is it possible to control 44% of the world population from within Iran if Iranian plateu had a low population

Iranian plateau i doubt ever hosted a population greater in number than the indus. It is just not possible.

Nobody is denying the history of empires that have enjoyed success emerging from the iranian plateau. I simply doubt the claim of farmers colonising land thousands of kms away.
 
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aren't those a babylonian invention?
No, the Qanats are a Persian invention. 2:40 to 5:30 explains how Iranians got water



Iranian plateau i doubt ever hosted a population greater in number than the indus. It is just not possible.

Nobody is denying the history of empires that have enjoyed success emerging from the iranian plateau. I simply doubt the claim of farmers colonising land thousands of kms away.

It would be impossible to rule almost 50 million people (44% of entire world population) from Iran if the Iranian plateu did not have a large population. Much larger than the population of the indus. As for the claim about Iranian farmers colonising indus valley. Migration patterns doesn't really interest me at all.
 
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