Australia is at a point where it has to choose between its ally America and its economic backer Chin

[NirmalKrish]

I am a Chinese citizen but I don't really know what will happen in China 100 years from now, so you must be really good.

I would suggest you read a bit into the history of Australia, it will give you a pattern of predictability vis a vis of the past, present & future.

Well it is well understood

• Canada - Australia , may be Newzeland , or Island territories all will Side with UK

UK is generally cool with China

• UK-China patched relations with Hong Kong deal long time ago

Austrlia /China relations are set to flourish normally as regional neighbours as both countries are rich in potential , unlike the Aparthied country India


Similarly massive push between Canada /China underway

Not sure on US however they like to play cop cop too often around world

The topic is on China & Australia - for god sakes keep India out of it. you just can't resist, can you...

 

[beijingwalker]

I would suggest you read a bit into the history of Australia, it will give you a pattern of predictability vis a vis of the past, present & future.



The topic is on China & Australia - for god sakes keep India out of it. you just can't resist, can you...

I only said you must be really good for the ability to predict events 100 years from now. full of admiration.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Well it is well understood

• Canada - Australia , may be Newzeland , or Island territories all will Side with UK

UK is generally cool with China

• UK-China patched relations with Hong Kong deal long time ago

Austrlia /China relations are set to flourish normally as regional neighbours as both countries are rich in potential , unlike the Aparthied country India


Similarly massive push between Canada /China underway

Not sure on US however they like to play cop cop too often around world

um no on Canada and the UK

China usually struggles to get past 50%

 

[beijingwalker]

um no on Canada and the UK

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Yes, among western countries. China's rate is much better in Africa, Middle East and Latin America. And the result can be very different 10 years from now. China and Russia used to be the worst sworn enemies 2 decades ago and now we are the best friends.

 

[NirmalKrish]

I only said you must be really good for the ability to predict events 100 years from now. full of admiration.

I don't need the admiration, what I stated was just fact's - China and Australia are mutually benefitting each other through trade and investment - but that is just short term gains, not long term sustainability. democracy vs communism ideologies is always at confrontation.

The free trade agreement has all but demolished local manufacturing and made so many industries redundant, the Chinese are the reason the housing market spiralled out of control, causing a housing crisis. People are becoming aware of the toll the Chinese presence is having in a vast array of industries. Their right to protect their livelihood.

Having said that, this has led to the Australian government taking measures and changing laws to protect the very industries and housing market from utter collapse. Then you have the SCS and confrontation resistance from the ASEAN region's, do I need to say more?

 

[jhungary]

um no on Canada and the UK

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This is probably more absurd from the post said some Chinese want to buy Puerto Rico.

 

[beijingwalker]

I don't need the admiration, what I stated was just fact's - China and Australia are mutual benefitting each other through trade and investment - but that is just short term gains, not long term sustainability. democracy vs communism ideologies is always at confrontation.

The free trade agreement has all but demolished local manufacturing and made so many industries redundant, the Chinese are the reason the housing market spiralled out of control, causing a housing crisis. people are becoming aware of the toll the Chinese presence is having in a vast array of industries. Their right to protect their livelihood.

Having said that, this has led to the Australian government taking measures and changing laws to protect the very industries and housing market utter collapse. Then you have the SCS and confrontation resistance from the ASEAN region, do I need to say more?

I guess you were talking about 100 years from now... My admiration is for that part.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Yes, among western countries. China's rate is much better in Africa, Middle East and Latin America. And the result can be very different 10 years from now.

Yes, of course. In fact in 10 years time the little gray aliens may jump ship from Area 51 to your side too. Right now they like us better.

 

[Beast]

I don't need the admiration, what I stated was just fact's - China and Australia are mutually benefitting each other through trade and investment - but that is just short term gains, not long term sustainability. democracy vs communism ideologies is always at confrontation.

The free trade agreement has all but demolished local manufacturing and made so many industries redundant, the Chinese are the reason the housing market spiralled out of control, causing a housing crisis. People are becoming aware of the toll the Chinese presence is having in a vast array of industries. Their right to protect their livelihood.

Having said that, this has led to the Australian government taking measures and changing laws to protect the very industries and housing market from utter collapse. Then you have the SCS and confrontation resistance from the ASEAN region's, do I need to say more?

Fantastic one side arguement. May I know who is responsible for growth of Australia economy for last 10years. Without China, australia economy will collapse. This is a fact.

This is the also very reason why the topic of Australia may need to choose its partner. If China shut off Australia import. The first to dead is not China but Australia.

Remember the mighty mongolia who brag abt letting Dalai Lama in. End up who hurts who and submitted?

 

[Mista]

Australia and many other Asia-Pacific nations are just wary of China. Despite claiming 'the peaceful rise of China', China has been using her economic leverage to coerce South Korea and Taiwan into political submission.

China's recent THAAD retaliation against SK just backfired and is really an unwise move. Not only it did not achieve its objective, it also shows other nations in the region the dangers of over-depending on China. Now the countries in the region are re-thinking their relations with China and the US as well as diversifying their economy with other countries, and China has overtaken Japan to become SK's most hated country. China's soft power, image and her own creditability as an investment destination has also been hurt as a result. So what's the point of the retaliation again, other than fueling nationalism among their people?

Meanwhile our Chinese brothers in this forum continue to think that as long as China becomes no.1 economically, it doesn't matter much because other countries will favor China over the US. Well, it's precisely because of this domineering and complacent attitude that they are pushing other countries into the arms of the US.

 

[Beast]

US is exempted for many requirement on FIRB as per ANZUS treaty, for example, an American buying properties is most likely to be exempted and most case were not even considered in FIRB.

China have about 30,000 case of FIRB application in 2016 on the other hand, only some 400 cases was considered in FIRB that was US origin. US application are mostly defence related issue, or high value investment, while for a Chinese citizen, they will have to lodge a FIRB application if they want to buy a house over 1 millions.

Yes, US held the second largest land ownership in Australia. I believe it was a company called "Cargill" which own approximately 18% of agricultural land in Australia.



It's nothing about Invasion, it's about the quantity of investment.

China is not the biggest investor of Australia, it was the US, by year, China may be catching up, but you did not factor in the fact that US have been investing in Australia since 1930s. China only started at the end of 1990s, you can look at the US investment vs Chinese Investment is (US) 26% to (China) 3% as of 2016

http://treasury.gov.au/~/media/Treasury/Publications and Media/Publications/2016/Foreign investment into Australia/Downloads/PDF/TWP_201601_Foreign_Investment.ashx

http://dfat.gov.au/trade/topics/investment/Pages/which-countries-invest-in-australia.aspx

Chinese pies is good, but still not at good as the US and EU, plus, according to FIRB, Chinese investment are mostly in residential properties, which does not generate much direct contribution, more than half of 46 billions investment by China in 2015 is from residential estate (26 billions or 53%) and since the FIRB reform, the residential market will soon be close off to Chinese, which mean the number of total investment from China is not going to be big.

https://cdn.tspace.gov.au/uploads/sites/79/2016/03/FIRB-AR-2014-15.pdf

In short, it will take a long time for China to dislodge US as the primary investor in Australia, if at all, and that, plus the defence ties is the reason why this cannot dislodge a US and Aus relation. The only way you can break this is for China to actually invade Australia and occupied it. Otherwise Australia is and always will be sided with US, not China.



Hugh White is a conflicted dude, I think he is living in La-La Land instead of reality.

China is the largest trading partner with Australia and US trade with Australia is so pathetic low that I do not need to even present the data for you to see. Those investments are pale shadow compare to the amount of Chinese contribution to Australia yearly growth in terms of trade.

Australia and many other Asia-Pacific nations are just wary of China. Despite claiming 'the peaceful rise of China', China has been using her economic leverage to coerce South Korea and Taiwan into political submission.

China's recent THAAD retaliation against SK just backfired and is really an unwise move. Not only it did not achieve its objective, it also shows other nations in the region the dangers of over-depending on China. Now the countries in the region are re-thinking their relations with China and the US as well as diversifying their economy with other countries, and China has overtaken Japan to become SK's most hated country. China's soft power, image and her own creditability as an investment destination has also been hurt as a result. So what's the point of the retaliation again, other than fueling nationalism among their people?

Meanwhile our Chinese brothers in this forum continue to think that as long as China becomes no.1 economically, it doesn't matter much because other countries will favor China over the US. Well, it's precisely because of this domineering and complacent attitude that they are pushing other countries into the arms of the US.

Take it or leave it. What feeds your stomach works best. China is a economic power house. You want to trade with us and make your country growth then you better be nice to Chinese. Monoglia may not like China but fact is we beat them and they need to be nice to Chinese. We called the shot. If you don't like it, let yr country man starve yr death. China will not even pity you.

 

[Mista]

Take it or leave it. What feeds your stomach works best. China is a economic power house. You want to trade with us and make your country growth then you better be nice to Chinese. Monoglia may not like China but fact is we beat them and they need to be nice to Chinese. We called the shot. If you don't like it, let yr country man starve yr death. China will not even pity you.

Lol. Australia has a trade deficit of $44 billion last year and they are nowhere near starving to death. Same goes to the dozens of countries which have huge trade deficits.

 

[Beast]

Lol. Australia has a trade deficit of $44 billion last year and they are nowhere near starving to death. Same goes to the dozens of countries which have huge trade deficits.

I am not joking with you. If you think Australia not trading with China for a year can survive. Go ahead I am not stopping Australia.

 

[Mista]

I am not joking with you. If you think Australia not trading with China for a year can survive. Go ahead I am not stopping Australia.

I know you're not joking because I've seen many Chinese like you before.

Perhaps you could substantiate your claims with facts and figures and explain how Australians will starve to death without China?

 

[jhungary]

China is the largest trading partner with Australia and US trade with Australia is so pathetic low that I do not need to even present the data for you to see. Those investments are pale shadow compare to the amount of Chinese contribution to Australia yearly growth in terms of trade

Yeah, since you said it, then IT MUST BE TRUE.... lol, then DFAT, FIRB and Australian Bureau of Statistic must be wrong.

lol, do not indulge yourself as Chinese are the lifeline of Australian Economy, we have rejected more of Chinese deal than any other country in the world. And since the residential properties reform, we are going to reject more. So please, ask the Australian who they rather choose?

Stop being delusional.