Attack on PNS Mehran Base - PAF Faisal Base

[Mav3rick]

Political Christianity was the reason why Europe fell into the dark ages, there might not be a term for it but its outcome is surely remembered as nothing less than abject negation to the society, thankfully its not as popular as it once was.

As for political Judaism, it too causes great challenges and problems for the Jews, I am sure you know that the Hasidic Jews are always yapping on about their religion much to the displeasure of others. But they too do not have a lot of power over anything and things are still better.

I would not dispute the involvement of politics in Christianity throughout Europe especially during the Tudor dynasty, neither would I dispute the fact that political Judaism is a problem as well as a solution for Jews........but why are they never mentioned as Christianists or Judiasts or something like that? Why are they always either called terrorists or offenders yet any human with a hint of Islam is called an Islamist!

Why is a nun respected for covering her body and a Muslim women with hijaab condemned and labelled an extremist? Why is a Jew respected for growing his beard and a Muslim punished for the same? Why is it condemned even to think of speaking about the many ambiguities of the so called holocaust whereas everybody is encouraged to blame Islam and all Muslims for 9/11 and at the same time it is blasphemy to challenge the Official version of 9/11?? Why are there so many ambiguities and different set of rules for different religions and nationalities?

And finally why are non Muslims, or people who pose as Muslims but blame Islam and 'alleged' terrorists for every ill in the world made moderators on the defence forum of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan?

 

[roadrunner]

Dude that theory works for nations and people who plan based on worldly gains,not for those folks who just wanna spank enemies and go to heaven for 72 virgins..For example we can not even imagine some chinese coming to india and killing random people,because they know it is counterproductive to their nation.But in the case of pakistan,there had always been many ajmal kasabs(even in establishment)who gladly do any irrational thing for the sake of some stupid ideology.

If the establishment of Pakistan has some Ajmal Kasabs, why can't the establishment of India have some Colonel Purohits or Bal Thackerays?

 

[roadrunner]

I would not dispute the involvement of politics in Christianity throughout Europe especially during the Tudor dynasty, neither would I dispute the fact that political Judaism is a problem as well as a solution for Jews........but why are they never mentioned as Christianists or Judiasts or something like that? Why are they always either called terrorists or offenders yet any human with a hint of Islam is called an Islamist!

Why is a nun respected for covering her body and a Muslim women with hijaab condemned and labelled an extremist? Why is a Jew respected for growing his beard and a Muslim punished for the same? Why is it condemned even to think of speaking about the many ambiguities of the so called holocaust whereas everybody is encouraged to blame Islam and all Muslims for 9/11 and at the same time it is blasphemy to challenge the Official version of 9/11?? Why are there so many ambiguities and different set of rules for different religions and nationalities?

propaganda naturally.

 

[Bratva]

Intelligence agencies, in raids in Korangi and Shah Faisal Colony, have arrested seven suspects alleged to be members of al-Qaeda for their involvement in the PNS Mehran attack case. Five of the held are of foreign origin. Moreover, arms have also been recovered from their possession.

The seven suspects were identified as Hamza Abul Qasim, Javed bin Ziyad bin Tariq, Tahir bin Saleem and Ghansham besides others, who were immediately moved to an undisclosed location for interrogation. It was also disclosed that the police had taken into custody the car which was under the use of terrorists. Further probe is underway.

Seven al-Qaeda suspects held in Karachi

In another newspaper, the names of suspects were Hamza Abul Qasim, Javed bin Ziyad bin Tariq, Tahir bin Saleem and Ghansham a.k.a Lakshmi, George A.k.a Jhonny

Nawaiwaqt-Newspaper

In Express News, they claim citing official 7 terrorists were captured during assault and 3 were captured2 days later from Shah faisal colony.

Daily Express News Story

these are the highlights of today newspaper, All the major Urdu newspaper, have headings that 2-3 Foreign Hostile agencies are suspected to be involved in this attack

 

[Mav3rick]

LOL, so you are saying if Pakistan is involved in Mumbai attacks, why not let Pakistan investigate it? LOL

Buddy, I'm not a shrink and this is no place to fix your state of denial. I know the type, they believe in flying angels but won't believe a flying plane hit WTC.

He said if some Pakistani elements are involved then Pakistan should have the authority to investigate, not only to ascertain and confirm involvement of Pakistanis but also to ensure any future attacks are prevented beforehand. India will not allow Pakistan to interrogate Kassab because of some seriously fishy allegations. Besides, is it not a fact that Kassab's statements have changed repeatedly?

 

[humanfirst]

If the establishment of Pakistan has some Ajmal Kasabs, why can't the establishment of India have some Colonel Purohits or Bal Thackerays?

Pakistan have behaved irrationally and embarrassed itself many times doesn't mean india will do so too,even if there is nothing stopping it from doing so.
anyway lets stop speculation and get back to topic..Has anyone been arrested?

 

[humanfirst]

said if some Pakistani elements are involved then Pakistan should have the authority to investigate,

Not when india suspect those pakistanis were getting isi help.This suspecion is cemented by the fact that pak establishment lied for months(more than enough time for a govt/intelligence agency to confirm a mans identity)that ajmal kasab was not a pakistani-and their lies got torn apart by geo tv which confirmed pakistani identity of ajmal kasab.We have voice samples of terrorists' handlers and why is pakistan not allowing us to match them with those alleged by kasab to be his handlers?..trying to save someone?So no..no pakistani access to kasab for now.

 

[roadrunner]

Pakistan have behaved irrationally and embarrassed itself many times doesn't mean india will do so too,even if there is nothing stopping it from doing so.
anyway lets stop speculation and get back to topic..Has anyone been arrested?

really? so colonel purohit who was part of the indian establishment did not act irrationally when he tried to blow up trains and claim pakistan had done it?

 

[S.M.R]

really? so colonel purohit who was part of the indian establishment did not act irrationally when he tried to blow up trains and claim pakistan had done it?

Whatever he did was done in his personal capacity

 

[KALKI]

Every terrorist attack is condemnable but let me be frank and say that this particular attack resulting in the destruction of some of the most important and India-specific assets of PN goes in our favour. The loss of life is always sad but the loss of property in this particular attack is welcome from India's perspective.

I'm just being frank.

 

[humanfirst]

really? so colonel purohit who was part of the indian establishment did not act irrationally when he tried to blow up trains and claim pakistan had done it?

He was acting irrationally as a person-but indian govt acted rationally by uncovering and publicising his act,humiliating him and putting him behind bars..And compare this to pakistan who purposefully lied about kasab not being pakistani in order to protect his handlers(only to be embarrassed when geo tv traced his family in pakistan).That is an example how rational states behave and how irrational ones behave.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

And finally why are non Muslims, or people who pose as Muslims but blame Islam and 'alleged' terrorists for every ill in the world made moderators on the defence forum of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan?

Interesting issue.

Any suggestions?

What is 'posing as Muslim'?

I think it is because the major terrorist attacks the world over, including what is happening in Pakistan, to include innocent Muslims being subjected to bomb attacks, surface Muslims as the source of the attacks.

That is possible the reason.

It does not mean that all Muslims are at fault!

That is where the world goes wrong, but then they are worried and even scared!!

 

[Safriz]

well yes. this forum has become anti islam lately. not something expected from a pakistani forum.

 

[Stealth IFV]

correction Stealth IVF.. if anyone is not Canadian you'd be the highest on the list as an Indian with Canadian flags.

Whoever doesn't agree with your right wing popular domestic myths, and biased views about the world around you, is an Indian. What an incredibly myopic and anger filled world you guys live in, seriously. You are more Indian than I could ever genetically hope to strive for. I'm proud of my country and English-French heritage. And as my American brother stated earlier, the majority of Canadians SUPPORT their troops and mission in Afghanistan, but what we don't support is a lack of action on ISAF's part in holding your leaders accountable for harbouring Osama and Haqqani. We don't support the two-faced American political establishment that gives you billions in weapons, only to have insurgents come across your border and kill our soldiers. No matter what happens, you guys are still in between the cross-hairs and every move your military and political establishment makes is carefully being watched, carefully analyzed and there will be befitting answers for everything, judging by all the cases being lodged in the world against your terror supporting intelligence agency, not only in the US but interestingly enough, in Canada as well. Our agencies are starting to catch up, and finding out what you busy beavers have been up to in the past 2 decades. We have a lot of information now on how a terrorist is made, and how terror-centric policies become entrenched in a nation's strategic and diplomatic agenda thanks to ISI operatives getting caught up in criminal courts.

Now let's talk about something constructive, like why are your soldiers and agents suspected of collaborating against your nation, and how does that not give the world the right and prerogative to safeguard your nuclear weapons from being used on innocent people, and foreign nations?

 

[Stealth IFV]

What guarantees are the Pakistanis giving ISAF and your own constituents that there are absolutely, positively, no rogue elements within your security organizations? Absolutely none. If there are signs pointing to mutiny when such attacks happen, then surely you can understand our point of view in Afghanistan about the Taliban that have a free pass to cross over your border, attack, and retreat back into friendly territory. This is why drone attacks are happening. This is why your border posts are occasionally strafed by ISAF. This is why Navy Seals have to conduct anti-terror operations hundreds of miles inside your border. This is why terrorists have intimate knowledge of your military bases. Until you have answers for these phenomena, stop retorting with "durr hurr you is Indian". I can assure you that the massive global military presence stationed across the border is not Indian, and not happy.