Attack on PNS Mehran Base - PAF Faisal Base

[huzihaidao12]

Start at the U.S.. As I said, the United States did not afford another war, so psychological warfare and play a game to become the option , of course, anyone surprised?

Although we do not get any U.S. documents, but the aim is not difficult to guess, it is that few points.

1, make the fact that Pakistan is not a safe enough place. This attack is a direct challenge to the Pakistan army, you see, it clearly shows that even the Pakistani army is not enough to protect themselves, so, it is reasonable for a problem Pakistani army how to protect the security of nuclear weapons? Yes, the U.S. can not afford a war such as Afghanistan and Iraq, but a surprise attack is possible. And not a zero chance of war, war always means great opportunities and risks, who knows some people how to calculate, is not no possibility for the war.

2, the psychological warfare. The broad scope is for all Pakistanis, create chaos and undermine the confidence, then use the chaos to do something. But more importantly, it directed against the Pakistani military, no matter how Pakistan members blame the army, in fact, the Pakistan military is the strongest force for the protection of the interests of Pakistan, know it. the United Statesto take this opportunity to exert greater pressure on the Pakistani army by the Pakistanis themselves. Then maybe give better chance to force the Pakistani army is more cooperation and the United States, even if Pakistan do not want and do not meet interests.

3, to encourage India to attack Pakistan, manufacture chaos in South Asia, if there is really a war between Pakistan and India, China also will get involved, it is too good for U.S. interests.

All I have to say is that Pakistan should be united and strong, I have said and muse, the best way is to maintain confidence in the mist. This is the darkest moment, also is the latest time from the dawn. As an ordinary Chinese, it was all my blessings.

 

[Areesh]

Did I say Dr Usmans brother has been picked up for this incident or are you just assuming that I did as I mentioned it in that line?

Well you were definitely referring to this incident when you mentioned Dr Usman's brother or else it can only be considered as a continuation of weird posts coming from your confused mind.

I know you want to keep your Jihadi's clean here but the reality is that its them all the way.

I don't want to represent anyone clean here buddy unlike you. I want to hang everyone involved in this incident. Even if he lives in some consulate of some fcuking country in Afghanistan or he is a maulvi or whatever. I just want punishment for everyone. Not a hogwash like we usually witness after every incident by the "secular" establishment of Pakistan.

 

[T-Faz]

Well you were definitely referring to this incident when you mentioned Dr Usman's brother or else it can only be considered as a continuation of weird posts coming from your confused mind.

Watch your post, I was briefing Irfan on how these attacks occur and he said it was a far fetched idea, I replied to him telling him of recent developments and how it was a Jihadi mission, how exactly is that confused. Seems like you are getting confused with all your vented up frustrations.

I don't want to represent anyone clean here buddy unlike you. I want to hang everyone involved in this incident. Even if he lives in some consulate of some fcuking country in Afghanistan or he is a maulvi or whatever. I just want punishment for everyone. Not a hogwash like we usually witness after every incident by the "secular" establishment of Pakistan.

Your first sentence does not make sense, there is also no country in Afghanistan as it is a country itself.

As for this supposed secular establishment, oddly enough, Pakistan is still an Islamic republic with Blasphemy laws and all these other odd religious laws.

Now what kind of 'secular' establishment would continue to run an Islamic Republic.

Confused much?

 

[Areesh]

Watch your post, I was briefing Irfan on how these attacks occur and he said it was a far fetched idea, I replied to him telling him of recent developments and how it was a Jihadi mission, how exactly is that confused. Seems like you are getting confused with all your vented up frustrations.

So you were just trying to proof this incident to be jihadi incident by mentioning arrest of Usman's brother who was involved in some other incident. Bravo!!! Thumbs up for you.

Your first sentence does not make sense, there is also no country in Afghanistan as it is a country itself.

I said consulates of some fcuking country in Afghanistan. Got it???

Now what kind of 'secular' establishment would continue to run an Islamic Republic.

Musharraf wasn't a Maulvi. Nor does Kayani, Pasha, Noman Bashir, Rao, Zardari. None of them are maulvis. But still they have done a great job in making Pakistan a laughing stock. They are as secular as some guy whining about Arabs all the time. Anyways as I said I want extreme punishment for anyone who was involved in this incident. Not arresting some guy with a beard and then closing the case which is the modus operandi of Pakistan establishment.

 

[asad71]

Hopes dancing on bald men’s hair The Mehran fiasco!

By Ejaz Haider
Published: May 25, 2011

The writer was a Ford Scholar at the Programme in Arms Control, Disarmament and International Security at UIUC (1997) and a visiting fellow at the Brookings Institution’s Foreign Policy Studies Programme
The Chief of Naval Staff (CNS) Admiral Noman Bashir says the Pakistan Navy (PN) is on high alert and the PNS Mehran attack was not owed to a security lapse. He is right. It is possible, too, that Huckleberry Finn commanded the Corps D’Armée.
We are also told naval commandos reached the spot in three minutes. I am deeply impressed. They killed four out of possibly six attackers, two managing to extricate through a base, let’s not forget, which was highly secure before the intrusion and which, after the attack, had been further secured. [NB: this is where Interior Minister Rehman Malik’s statement about the attackers being Star Wars characters begins to make sense.]
I have a thought. If I were to choose someone to command an air defence (AD) battalion, I would opt for Admiral Bashir. Here’s why. His basic strategy would be to tell his gunners and SAM operators to try and shoot down the attack aircraft in a sortie. He will claim success after his battalion has shot down ten of the 14 aircraft, while the four managed to complete their mission.
Admiral Bashir, through his illustrious career, seems to have missed out on one basic principle of sound defence — mission denial. Corollary: I was bullshitting when I said I would put him in command of an AD battalion. I would not. I am not interested in shooting down enemy aircraft; my primary aim is to deny them their mission. The attackers carried the day because they accomplished their mission. And they did so because Aunts Agatha and Dahlia are commanding the PN and PNS Mehran respectively, thank you.
Ah! But I got one thing wrong. There indeed was no security lapse because that would presuppose security. So, perhaps the CNS is right. If the perimeter of the base is not secure; if those responsible for security have not even worked out likely approaches and secured them; if watchtowers are not being manned; if there is no system for alarms setting off if someone tampers with the concertina wires running over the walls of the base; if there are no searchlights; if there are no trip wires; if there is no concept of layered defence; if there is no local defence around the assets; if the assets have been positioned against all standard operating procedures, as one aviation enthusiast pointed out to me, without Hessian or sand bars when in the open, and are closely packed, then there was no lapse. It was a monumental screw up.
The attackers, on the other hand, were prepared, were highly trained, had reconnoitred the area, had the elements of surprise and speed on their side, knew their dedicated target, had worked out distances, the time it would take them to get from one to the other point, and knew they could take out the planes before they got cordoned off and into a firefight. They had planned it to a tee.
Which is why, by the time they got into a firefight with the naval and SSG commandos, they had already accomplished their mission, inflicting a loss of $72 million on the PN and Pakistan, upgrade costs of the P-3C Orion excluded. But more than that, they had deprived the PN of its primary force-multiplier platform. If I have to put together a commando platoon, I will most definitely hire these guys.
Now to the reasons. Fact 1: Naval aviation, as one senior Pakistan Air Force officer tells me, is lower down the pecking order within the service. Fact 2: the PN is the last in the pecking order within the military, getting according to some estimates, Rs1 for every Rs40 that go to the army. Go to the GHQ and then visit the Naval HQ. Or better still, visit the Air HQ and then go to the Naval HQ. You will see the difference. And it is not just the difference of infrastructure; the difference runs through everything, including human resource. It is the difference you see between the rich and the poor side of a family.
The PN is a badly neglected service. It is badly neglected because the army and also the air force manage to upstage the PN on all counts. This is not the space to write about the World War II concepts of warfare that dominate thinking here because the army dominates not just the military but also the country, but it must be noted that the PNS Mehran disaster is not without solid reasons. With peanuts one can only get monkeys.
Nor should the army and air force sit easy, though. There is now a clear pattern to this audacity and while they may be slightly better prepared, the enemy is no pushover. The terrorists are not just trying to create a media spectacle, though that is highly welcome from their perspective. There is a bigger motive in attacking the military and through that highlighting its inability to defend its assets.
The strategy fits in with another narrative: If bases and high-value assets are not secure, is there a guarantee that an attack like this cannot be mounted on Pakistan’s nuclear assets, and successfully? That question has been reverberating through the security circles for some years. It will now be revived again. Add to this the possibility of insider-outsider collusion that can make possible the breach of even high security and the narrative sticks out like a wart on a bald head.
Can something be done? Yes and no. Yes, if we are prepared to rise from our slumber and get our act together. No, if we continue with our inertia. Action requires that we develop a better-coordinated counter-terrorism strategy; improve intelligence; revamp our forces (the current configuration is unsuited to this war); develop speedier response mechanisms and prepare a list of all those places that have been, can and will be targeted. This requires getting into the mind of the adversary. This is the operational side.
On the political side, the state has to dominate the narrative which it has failed to do so far. Karachi should help clarify doubts in people’s minds. That is the harder part. It is moot to ask if Pakistan is prepared for that. As I was writing these lines a friend sent me a poem by E E Cummings, “as freedom is a breakfast food”. One line reads “or hopes dance best on bald men’s hair”. Need I say more?
Published in The Express Tribune, May 25th, 2011.

 

[T-Faz]

So you were just trying to proof this incident to be jihadi incident by mentioning arrest of Usman's brother who was involved in some other incident. Bravo!!! Thumbs up for you.

Some other incident, aren't they all related to the same groups of men, wasn't Ahmed Shahzad caught in an Army uniform.

There is a link between his arrest in Karachi to these attacks as the same organization was involved in both attacks.

I said consulates of some fcuking country in Afghanistan. Got it???

Watch you damn language, I know the likes are not taught any manners but make sure you speak properly. Otherwise I know how to treat a dog the way it needs to be treated, Got it???

You incoherent posts sound deranged and do not make any sense, what does it mean consulates of some countries, the terrorists are attacking here with their masterminds and blabbering on.

Musharraf wasn't a Maulvi. Nor does Kayani, Pasha, Noman Bashir, Rao, Zardari. None of them are maulvis. But still they have done a great job in making Pakistan a laughing stock. They are as secular as some guy whining about Arabs all the time. Anyways as I said I want extreme punishment for anyone who was involved in this incident. Not arresting some guy with a beard and then closing the case which is the modus operandi of Pakistan establishment.

Pakistan was made a laughing stock with this jihadi policy, these 7th century laws about women and what not.

These people you mentioned work in tandem with clerics and they have become secular all of a sudden.

I am not some frustrated confused soul typing nonsense all over the place.

Get a grip, you come across as pathetic.

 

[roadrunner]

so... noone knows who the plotters are yet.. that's the bottomline.

 

[roadrunner]

Because China and America are NOT dumb, they will find out eventually.

That will only work against us.

By this logic, any attack by Pakistan on India through proxy would be stupid because India will eventually blame Pakistan.

It works both ways.

That's why they work through proxy. because it is difficult to find definite information through proxy.

 

[happycanuck]

I have been following different posts, but yours is the only that makes some sense while others are more or less engaged in venting their hatred against each other. Any way it is their own life and time being wasted.
We as citizens on this planet are here for doing some thing meaningful and good for the humanity rather than engage ourself in speculation and rumor mongring. We want both the countries to live in peace just the way rest of the nations live. Citizens of Nation of Pakistan have lot to look forward to a better peaceful and progressive country. First and foremost is the peace pact with your neighbours on east and west borders. Get out of the web of USA and China. Put your focus towards economic development and independent foreign policy. It can be started by demanding accountability and transparencey in day to day affairs of the nation. I hope all off our Pakistani, Chinies, Indian and Afgahnistan brothers and sisters get my message.

Wishing you all peace with in your hearts and mind.

 

[Stealth IFV]

I have been following different posts, but yours is the only that makes some sense while others are more or less engaged in venting their hatred against each other. Any way it is their own life and time being wasted.
We as citizens on this planet are here for doing some thing meaningful and good for the humanity rather than engage ourself in speculation and rumor mongring. We want both the countries to live in peace just the way rest of the nations live. Citizens of Nation of Pakistan have lot to look forward to a better peaceful and progressive country. First and foremost is the peace pact with your neighbours on east and west borders. Get out of the web of USA and China. Put your focus towards economic development and independent foreign policy. It can be started by demanding accountability and transparencey in day to day affairs of the nation. I hope all off our Pakistani, Chinies, Indian and Afgahnistan brothers and sisters get my message.

Wishing you all peace with in your hearts and mind.

You can't dictate to others what to do in their foreign policy, alliances etc. are up to them. There's no way you're Canadian. Not giving a f*** is a hallmark of ours. We prefer everyone comes closer together, Pakistan brings the West close to China. That will create dialogue. Then you will have true peace. If only they would put that to better use. Plus, your post is in the wrong thread.

 

[roadrunner]

correction Stealth IVF.. if anyone is not Canadian you'd be the highest on the list as an Indian with Canadian flags.

 

[roadrunner]

I have been following different posts, but yours is the only that makes some sense while others are more or less engaged in venting their hatred against each other. Any way it is their own life and time being wasted.
We as citizens on this planet are here for doing some thing meaningful and good for the humanity rather than engage ourself in speculation and rumor mongring. We want both the countries to live in peace just the way rest of the nations live. Citizens of Nation of Pakistan have lot to look forward to a better peaceful and progressive country. First and foremost is the peace pact with your neighbours on east and west borders. Get out of the web of USA and China. Put your focus towards economic development and independent foreign policy. It can be started by demanding accountability and transparencey in day to day affairs of the nation. I hope all off our Pakistani, Chinies, Indian and Afgahnistan brothers and sisters get my message.

Wishing you all peace with in your hearts and mind.

Would be nice to think so. but Afghanistan and Pakistan are where all the games are played.

 

[SMC]

You can't dictate to others what to do in their foreign policy, alliances etc. are up to them. There's no way you're Canadian. Not giving a f*** is a hallmark of ours. We prefer everyone comes closer together, Pakistan brings the West close to China. That will create dialogue. Then you will have true peace. If only they would put that to better use. Plus, your post is in the wrong thread.

correction Stealth IVF.. if anyone is not Canadian you'd be the highest on the list as an Indian with Canadian flags.

He's either an Indian with Canadian flag or belongs to tea party of Canada. Either way his opinion as far as war in Afghanistan is concerned is accept by a small minority of Canadians.

 

[AAtish]

One could say a logical response.

None are praising the terrorist but none are also not keen that there be an inquiry.

How many more attacks so that people are agitated enough to take the roots out as you say?

Well the military inquiry is going on, and there will be court martial if there are inside hands involved, for the outsiders, they will be "picked" and taken to "undisclosed" places for interrogation..

I don't mind it as the political government is "for sale", and i don't want military to be interrogated by government as long as we don't have "dependable" politicians.. Military and Judiciary are the only departments working in Pakistan anyways..

 

[AAtish]

I have been following different posts, but yours is the only that makes some sense while others are more or less engaged in venting their hatred against each other. Any way it is their own life and time being wasted.
We as citizens on this planet are here for doing some thing meaningful and good for the humanity rather than engage ourself in speculation and rumor mongring. We want both the countries to live in peace just the way rest of the nations live. Citizens of Nation of Pakistan have lot to look forward to a better peaceful and progressive country. First and foremost is the peace pact with your neighbours on east and west borders. Get out of the web of USA and China. Put your focus towards economic development and independent foreign policy. It can be started by demanding accountability and transparencey in day to day affairs of the nation. I hope all off our Pakistani, Chinies, Indian and Afgahnistan brothers and sisters get my message.

Wishing you all peace with in your hearts and mind.

Pakistan can have peace in its west but no way there is going to peace with east, there are too many issues, biggest being the (never ever existent) "Akhand Bharat".. thats the base of all problems, has been, Is, and will be.. and Until that mentality is not changed, our east is our enemy.. from our side, until Kashmir issue is sorted, no question of a peace with them..

read the history if you want to learn more..