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Attack on PNS Mehran Base - PAF Faisal Base

more reasons why the militants had 'inside help / info'.

1- if the govt. spokesperson is to be believed, how did the militants know of the 'blind spots' of the surveillance cameras (only someone who monitors such details would know!?)
2- 'urdu speaking' 2 militants were speaking clear urdu - this shows that the LeT or Punjabi militant group was involved in this attack!? - TTP has deep links with punjabi militant groups.
3- from the point of entry, the militants took a 'bee-line towards the P3c's, which were 1-1/2 km away. they knew exactly where to go.


1- Blind spots, surveillance strategies etc. can all be determined by the spy satellites. Did you know that the P3C Orion Aircraft could identify the markings and colour of a ship under a fresh coat of paint to disguise it? What if the terrorists had this kind of intel provided by some one who has access to the latest spy satellites? Or how about the American technicians that were operating/training on the base? They had detailed information on the maintenance cycles of the PC3 Aircraft as well as visual and most likely electronic surveillance of the base from inside.
2 - Point 2 is very weak as I personally know Afghans, Indians and even Bengali that can speak fluent urdu like many of the Pakistani's. And these are civlians......just imagine what a month long course would do to make their accent feel just like home grown. Have you ever heard the American operatives speak Pushto? It's as if the language is their mother tongue!
3- Point 1.
 
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Whats the story behind those gory photos posted. Are those the terrorists?
 
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don't use this word again. They are'nt paid in millions for this. You can't buy their lives. . .

what do u mean i should not this word "Paid for". They are getting Plots and privileges that worth millions of Rupees. Just look at the 40 Million Rs. BMW the PN chief came in for press conference. His 17 crore Rs. 800 two yard plots, if they can't do their job what they are paid for, they should be held accountable.
Pakistani soldiers and arm forces are doing nothing out of this world. Evey solider and army persons of all countries do this job and even sacrifice their lives, we honor them , but we can't afford to turn a deaf ear to their blunders.
 
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Yasir laid to rest with military honours

Our Correspondent
Wednesday, May 25, 2011
LAHORE

FUNERAL prayers for Lieutenant Yasir Abbas, who was martyred in Pakistan Naval Services (PNS) Mehran Base attack in Karachi on May 22, was offered in the provincial metropolis here on Tuesday.

Lt Yasir Abbas was laid to rest in Askari-10 graveyard. The funeral prayer was led by Allama Syed Zahid Hussain Naqvi and Punjab Governor Latif Khosa, Punjab Assembly Deputy Speaker Rana Mashood, DG Rangers Punjab Gen Muhammad Nawaz, Commander Central Punjab Air Admiral Bashir Ahmed, Station Commander Lahore Commodore Akbar Naqi, Deputy Director Rangers (Pb) Wali Muhammad, former DG Rangers (Pb) Major Gen Muhammad Yaqub, Corps Commander Lahore, Commander Navy as well as senior officers from the armed forces and large number of people attended the funeral prayer. Touchy scenes were witnessed when the body of Yasir, wrapped in the national flag and flowers, reached the site of the funeral prayer. A large number of people from all walks of life and Yasir’s family and friends lauded his valour and selfless ambition to defend the country and its assets.

Yasir got commission in Pakistan Navy in 2005 and was promoted to the rank of Lieutenant in 2009.

He was the only brother of three sisters and the family was planning his marriage in the near future. Talking to the media, Yasir’s family members said that he had increased the respect of the nation by sacrificing his life.

Qul for the martyr will be held on Wednesday at 4pm in B-Block Mosque in Askari-10. Meanwhile, Pak Rangers soldier Muhammad Khalil, who also embraced martyrdom at PNS Mehran, was laid to rest at his ancestral graveyard in village Theatre Wali, Narowal, with military honour. Funeral prayers for Navy firefighter Javed Akhtar were offered in Danishabad area in the suburbs of Peshawar.
 
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1- Blind spots, surveillance strategies etc. can all be determined by the spy satellites. Did you know that the P3C Orion Aircraft could identify the markings and colour of a ship under a fresh coat of paint to disguise it? What if the terrorists had this kind of intel provided by some one who has access to the latest spy satellites? Or how about the American technicians that were operating/training on the base? They had detailed information on the maintenance cycles of the PC3 Aircraft as well as visual and most likely electronic surveillance of the base from inside.
2 - Point 2 is very weak as I personally know Afghans, Indians and even Bengali that can speak fluent urdu like many of the Pakistani's. And these are civlians......just imagine what a month long course would do to make their accent feel just like home grown. Have you ever heard the American operatives speak Pushto? It's as if the language is their mother tongue!
3- Point 1.

watching too many 'bourne' movies are ya! - accept the fact that the armed forces have a 'jahadi' problem which needs to be eliminated asap!
 
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BBC News - 'New kind of militant' behind Pakistan Karachi attack

Some key details:

A number of officials listed to me their observations, which reinforced the conviction that they were being confronted with a totally different kind of militant, possibly hitherto unseen:

Military formation: One injured sailor told an official that the attackers "moved and dressed like us". The militants moved in tactical military formation and spoke in military parlance. They spoke between themselves in Urdu, as well as a foreign language.

Clothing and equipment: The militants wore combat fatigues, according to officials - and had night vision goggles, carrying rocket propelled grenades [RPGs]. "It takes months of training for ease with the goggles, and years to be expert," one official told me.

Tactics and a plan: One witness said that even though the militants had clear sight of them, "they ignored us... Instead, they just aimed RPGs at the two Orions [planes] parked on the tarmac." They were clearly under instructions to destroy military hardware. They also changed tactics easily and broke away in groups, which clearly had different aims.


Crack shots: "They were excellent shots - as good as any we have," said one security official involved in the operation. They used their night vision goggles to maximum effect, witnesses say - and that was an advantage they had until the SSG-N team arrived at the scene. When the gun battle began, one security official said, it was clear that these men could "hold their own" in a firefight. The fact that they had M16 carbines and sniper rifles also set them apart.
Officials says all of this is in strong contrast to the Taliban, who adopt an equally brutal but more chaotic mode of attack. "Their best weapon is the suicide bomber - they are notoriously poor shots," one official told me.

"They were the exception to every rule of Pakistan militant tactics."

"They were also not about killing people," one official said. "It was clear they were interested in the destruction of equipment, a much more 'military' aim."

We definitely have some inside involvement, however those people are just a few moles who can't act independently. It's a worrying sign but more importantly, it definitely looks like these guys were supported by CIA or RAW considering their equipment, training, what they were attacking, etc. As mentioned before, this is leading up to an attempt to de-nuclearize Pakistan. Very soon this plan will be put into action.
 
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Navy Chief to conduct investigations into PNS Mehran attack: Gilani
By Express / PPI
Published: May 24, 2011

KARACHI: Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani has charged Naval chief of staff Admiral Nauman Bashir to conduct the initial investigation of the terrorist attack on PNS Mehran in Karachi on May 22-23.


Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani has directed to revisit, improve and upgrade security at all defense installations.



So the one who is supposed to be sacked right after the PNS attack is going to head the investigation himself. What a joke,
 
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BBC News - 'New kind of militant' behind Pakistan Karachi attack



We definitely have some inside involvement, however those people are just a few moles who can't act independently. It's a worrying sign but more importantly, it definitely looks like these guys were supported by CIA or RAW considering their equipment, training, what they were attacking, etc. As mentioned before, this is leading up to an attempt to de-nuclearize Pakistan. Very soon this plan will be put into action.

For all you know they were actually disgrutled/bought Pakistan Army or even special forces men. And hence the training and capability. THat would also explain how the initial tally of 22 became 6 later on. May be the 16 SSG (or similar special forces) men (or their bodies) were whisked away from the scene to avoid public embarrassment..

We also have a precedent of the same. If I remember right, the dreaded terrorist Ilyass Kasmiri is also an ex SSG man.. May be he has been building up a team within SSG for such activities..
 
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One witness said that even though the militants had clear sight of them, "they ignored us... Instead, they just aimed RPGs at the two Orions [planes] parked on the tarmac." They were clearly under instructions to destroy military hardware. They also changed tactics easily and broke away in groups, which clearly had different aims.

But one of the attackers in particular caught the attention of those who were watching and bearing the brunt of the attack. "A small young man with a light beard who later dropped his M16 for two Uzi submachine guns. He was particularly deadly - he killed one soldier with a single shot at over 600 yards."

Sounds like a record.

It is very difficult to aim wearing night vision goggles. And if not that, then it was all happening deep into the night.

Such talent is not easy to be found. One can either find those with motivation, or those with skills. Both the qualities in the same person is never an easy find. I am not alleging or naming any entity here, but just saying... both these qualities, motivation as well as skills, can be found more easily in Israelis than any other ethnicity.

Before retorting to my comment please understand that it may be an imitation of the Israelis, and that the facts and figures of this operation in no way point particularly at Israel.
 
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"Dedicated to Defense.pk member, a gentle soul, a worthy conscience, Rabzon:"

Some would call him a liberal fascist. An unconscionable slur. Even in the face of unwarranted personal attacks, though, he remained above the fray.

He has a beautiful soul and is a great friend to Pakistan.

S2,

Welcome to the board----been a longtime.

We are in the process of watching the begining of the end game.

My assessment of Kiyani was not favourable from day one----I deemed him to be a very poor leader of men right from the begining. Quiet men---men who don't talk much are either hiding their incompetence by not speaking---or hiding their deceit by not talking much. When you compare him to generals like Schawrzkopf, Tommy Franks, Mcrystal, Collin Powell, Gen Musharraf---you can feel and see the difference right away----all these were leaders of men who could talk and express themselves in front of a public forum very convincingly---all these were also men of action. You saw something in them that was predictable---like regular people.

With Kiyani there is too much unpredictability in the air----.

Okay---now---looking at the reaction---or I would say, non reaction---a timely non reaction by pak millitary and pak politicians---I believe that pakistani public can start wrapping up whatever is left of the country----BEND OVER AND KISS THEIR HINNIES GOODBYE---GOOD BYE TO PAKISTAN AS IT EXISTED. Today the country's leadership and the public is as lost as the king and the muslim army of Baghdad during the mongol invasion and siege of the nations capitol---baghdad.

The mongol armies were advancing throughtout the kindgom of baghdad ----and the muslims were arguing the grammatical intricacies of Qura'an---whether it is grammatically male or was it a female----if they were not not arguing about that then they were arguing about the direction of ka'aba----if it was 2* to the right or 2* to the left.

My men----you all have read those historical facts about your muslim heritage---the geart defeats that your ancestors had and what they were doing during those defeats----isn't it so interesting and fascination to see yourself live through those times in reality----isn't it truly amazing that now you are doing the same thing that your fore fathers did 700 years---800 years---900 years or a 1000 years ago. So, tell me now---what do you feel when you are living and passing through this time warp---I would like to know the truth from some of you---.


Doesn't this amaze you that you and I are going to be a part of the history from 500 years from now---for doing nothing against this terror---and our coming children---if there are any alive would be reading the same stuff about us---the we made the same mistakes that others made centuries ago----would that leave us any room for shame and dis-honor.

Well---congratulations to you all----you are going to be an integral part of the history---so pucker up and ----our coming generations will condemn us and use selective words against our integrity---they will not forgive us for bringing shame to them---as we didnot forgive our fore fathers for bringing humiliation to us!


But if you want some salvation-----then here is a suggestion-----.



Pakistan chose to be at these cross roads that it is on today out of sheer ignorance, arrogance, lack of knowledge in understanding the mindset of the terrorists and the fundamentalists---mostly those who were nationless, or kicked out their countries.

With as much enthusiaism as pakistan wants to stick its head in the sand, the taliban want to pull it out of the muck with an equal amount of zeal, excitement and candor. Whereas the pakistanis want to hide their faces from facing the truth that is looking them right in the eyes, the taliban keep bringing the mirror right in front of them---.

The pakistanis are fooling themselves into believing that, no, it is not the taliban---it is not the muslims who are doing this----the taliban keep on harping that yes it is them who are doing these acts of terror---yes they are the so called muslims who are doing it to the pakistanis---their brethren in belief and faith.

It has been long overdue, but today's actions have brought daylight to the issue in a newer and different manner. The taliban have gone on an all out assault on the integrity of pakistan and its very existence.

To counter that--- pakistan needs to do something equally radical. It is an absolute neccessity and it is imperative that pakistan install a homeland seurity department and and install an anti terror CZAR to oversee this department.

The anti terror czar would have the same authority as indian General Brar had during the blue star operation. There would also be a sort of emergency enforced in the country----there would be a seperate wing incharge of dealing with security and anti terror activities. that same organization would also be in charge of the anti terrorist courts---which will prosecute and pass judgements at an expedited pace and the executions of the culprits will be carried out on a fast track basis.

The initial 30---90 days would be a massive cleanup operation wherein the anti terrorist forces will strike at any and every religious organization with any links to taliban, al qaeda or any other fanatic group. Their leadership will be taken out and neutralized in a similiar manner as it would have been taken out under the rule of any muslim KHALIFA.

The reason I am talking about the Khalifa / Khilafat is due to the fact that the pakistanis want Khialafat, but they don't have any clue as to what the Caliphs did to the insurgents or they have conveniently forgotten. The pakistanis praise that period in that islamic history as a great period of law and order.


Our history tells us that most of our Caliphs were ruthless against any insurrection, insurgency, religious fanaticism and religious hegemony.

The rules of engagement will be similiar to what the great khalifas of islam enforced aganist any insurrection and any terrorist anctivities against the state.

As a matter of fact, it would be in the benefit of the state to call up on a previuos example of isurrection and terrorist activity in the past history of the islamic states, find similiarities and act accordingly in an expedited and fastrack manner and show the people how it was crushed by the state, just to give legitimacy to its actions.

Islamic history, british history or the history of any nation breathing on the face of this earth----each and every free nation had its fair share of terrorists and insurgents who wanted to force their agendas on the state. They stretched the patience of the state thin in each and every state and nation---only the successful nations with built in character of strength, courage, vitality and perseverence to survive fought of these ruthless killers and murderers.

Pakistan had the choice and options open to it to nip it in the bud and kill the monster right at its infancy---you innocent fools---only fooling yourself into a make-belief----you nurtured it and it grew up into a monster and it is ready to consume you, devouver you and destroy you. It is high time that you take a stand to protect your integrity and honor and do something to stand up as a proud and free nation. Otherwise you will be slaughtered into a piecemeal---either in groups or one by one.

There is no escaping the jaws of the monster that we have created---only way possible is to show it the jaws of the state.
 
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i saw many pakistanis making fun of mumbai attacks that indian nsg took this number of hours to retake the control and how attackers came through sea via pakistan after having powerful navy.......
now i m convinced that those ppl got the answer that how security laps occurs..
 
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....in talking to a former Navy officer (who had to take early retirement for medical reasons), 4 militants have been captured alive (and that is the reason there is ambiguity in the FIR on the number of militants) - now it seems they have a problem of disclosure of this info - my guess is that they have 'captured' one of the ''handlers / insider', most probably a 'airman'.
 
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....in talking to a former Navy officer (who had to take early retirement for medical reasons), 4 militants have been captured alive (and that is the reason there is ambiguity in the FIR on the number of militants) - now it seems they have a problem of disclosure of this info - my guess is that they have 'captured' one of the ''handlers / insider', most probably a 'airman'.
Boom, there you go. I was kind of expecting that.
 
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....in talking to a former Navy officer (who had to take early retirement for medical reasons), 4 militants have been captured alive (and that is the reason there is ambiguity in the FIR on the number of militants) - now it seems they have a problem of disclosure of this info - my guess is that they have 'captured' one of the ''handlers / insider', most probably a 'airman'.

Hi,

For that reason alone, I want to have the prime minister announce a state of emergency rule in pakistan----emergency anti terriorist courts need to be setup as fast as possible to take charge of the situations.
 
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Mastankhan sir, nice words. In my view, and its just that, this ttp taliban s*** would have been taken care of in its entirety during these last few operations against them under gen. Kiyani. What's making this task nearly impossible is presence of US in the region. US presence gives legitimacy to taliban movement due to anti-US sentiments in Pak. Same people then see Pak army's action against taliban illegitimate, and also Pak army as US hired. So you can make the best anti-terror dept in Pakistan, it won't be much effective until and unless they see a legitimate reason.

If US leave tomorrow, taliban would loose their reason to fight along with theirlegitimacy among people, Pak forces can and will finish them off in matters of months.
 
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