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to enable replacement of two of the Navy’s elderly Fokker F27
Makes me chuckle @ elderly Fokker...
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to enable replacement of two of the Navy’s elderly Fokker F27
Makes me chuckle @ elderly Fokker...
Still the atr are multiple in number, 3-4 and not one.
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Using F-27 as donor aircraft for re-equipping the ATR's is a feasible option for PN. Examples of similar donor programs involved removal of the Harpoon & CIWS weapons platforms from retired Gearing class DDG's & retrofitting them to the Type-21 FFG's.
The MPA suite on the PN F-27 is nowhere near as comprehensive as that on the current P-3C's or even the Atlantics. Any MPA capability will be a relatively limited by comparison. The need for a multifunctional troop/cargo aircraft is what the current stated requirement is. SSGN role has seen increased impetus in the last decade or so & fortunately PN has had the foresight to factor this in when looking at acquisition of aviation assets. Of course helping shift large loads in particular during national emergencies is vital.
As with all things, funds are the main source of issue for Pakistan as a whole and not just PN. F-27 are getting long in the tooth & it's only a matter of time before the 7 serving examples are retired & need replacing. By going for an air frame in use by the national airline may have been a coincidence, but will nonetheless by a welcome relief for PN as the sole example ATR aircraft will likely be maintained or at least leverage the experience of PIA. This was much the same when PN & MSA initially inducted F-27's & sent their aircraft to PIA for service/maintainer until they built their own organic infrastructure.
Using F-27 as donor aircraft for re-equipping the ATR's is a feasible option for PN. Examples of similar donor programs involved removal of the Harpoon & CIWS weapons platforms from retired Gearing class DDG's & retrofitting them to the Type-21 FFG's.
The MPA suite on the PN F-27 is nowhere near as comprehensive as that on the current P-3C's or even the Atlantics. Any MPA capability will be a relatively limited by comparison. The need for a multifunctional troop/cargo aircraft is what the current stated requirement is. SSGN role has seen increased impetus in the last decade or so & fortunately PN has had the foresight to factor this in when looking at acquisition of aviation assets. Of course helping shift large loads in particular during national emergencies is vital.
As with all things, funds are the main source of issue for Pakistan as a whole and not just PN. F-27 are getting long in the tooth & it's only a matter of time before the 7 serving examples are retired & need replacing. By going for an air frame in use by the national airline may have been a coincidence, but will nonetheless by a welcome relief for PN as the sole example ATR aircraft will likely be maintained or at least leverage the experience of PIA. This was much the same when PN & MSA initially inducted F-27's & sent their aircraft to PIA for service/maintainer until they built their own organic infrastructure.
All these threads end "funds are the main source of issue for Pakistan as a whole " ---
All these threads end "funds are the main source of issue for Pakistan as a whole " ---
Money can still be obtained, but it is the access to technology that would be denied due to potential sanctions that we must avoid.
can you kindly elaborate this part, the question that clicks is how!!! in past we have obtained funds from saudi's in return of some services but we have wasted them one way or the other. No country is going to baby sit you time n time again if you dont want to learn from the retrospect and stand on your own feet... You are becoming a liability for many
For military purchases like the ATR-72 for the Navy, money is the easiest to arrange, it is the willingness of the seller that is the real issue for most purchases. For example, our economy may be have a down period, but it is relatively easy to set aside a few billion within a year or two by taking proper management steps if we really put our minds to it. But look at Iran. Even with oil money nobody will set it anything really useful. That was my point.
Money can still be obtained, but it is the access to technology that would be denied due to potential sanctions that we must avoid.
For military purchases like the ATR-72 for the Navy, money is the easiest to arrange, it is the willingness of the seller that is the real issue for most purchases. For example, our economy may be have a down period, but it is relatively easy to set aside a few billion within a year or two by taking proper management steps if we really put our minds to it. But look at Iran. Even with oil money nobody will set it anything really useful. That was my point.
Where is the first ATR? No pics, no news or anything.
It had reportedly departed the canary Islands last month and its last stop on it's route was supposed to be Jeddah...so b y now it should have been in Pak territory.
@fatman17, any news?
BTW, a tender for a third ATR also combi version has been released by PN.