Atheism: Next threat to humanity

[Mage]

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Islamic Republic of Iran would like to challenge the claim. See you in Sharia court.

 

[zip]

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

The athiest communist Republic of China.

Unfortunately that will put both countries in opposite camp and fortunately opposite do attract one another for love and hate ..

 

[Fawadqasim1]

clearly it does to the thread starter. im glad he started this thread. gave me a valid opportunity to dive into all these.

1)What do you mean by proof of the existence of God what type of proof do you require logic
And mathematics are both human constructs
With arbitrary axioms. e.g godel's theorem
2) Science only concerns itself with matter and energy. and that too the baryonic matter and baryonic energy. Which is about 5% of the total matter and energy of this universe.
3) just look at the the earth from space and you will understand the meaning of the ayah you are criticizing.
What type of proof do you require.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

That's all due to weak state's writ

True. And states are not made on Mars and exported to earth. States are collectives representation and the labours of the people who make then. For instance the German people are responsible for making two states - Bundesrepublik Deutschland [Germany] and Republik Österreich [Austria] and are reflection of their culture, their religion, their strengths, their weakness, their history. They are manifestation of those people.

How do we measure the success of something? Not by the abstraction but by the manifestation.

"the proof of a recipe is in the taste"

 

[Verve]

True. And states are not made on Mars and exported to earth. States are collectives representation and the labours of the people who make then. For instance the German people are responsible for making two states - Bundesrepublik Deutschland [Germany] and Republik Österreich [Austria] and are reflection of their culture, their religion, their strengths, their weakness, their history. They are manifestation of those people.

How do we measure the success of something? Not by the abstraction but by the manifestation.

Your blame of Islam won't fly. There are good and bad people in every segment of the society.

You will happily blame Islam and muslims for the issues in Pakistan but when those issues are handled and corrected, who will you give credit for then? That's one you should ask yourself and maybe you will be forced to ask yourself that question. IK is very religious, and his approach and vision for Pakistan is as per Islam.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

And it is, atheism birthed fascism is growing in Europe.

Next war in West will be between Atheist Europe and Christian Russia.

Meanwhile the war between Shias and Sunnis kills 100s of thousands.
The war between Pakistan and India kills people weekly, certainly religious.
The whole Israel - Arab conflict is about religion.

I might be wrong but the last war fought for religion in Europe was the Jacobite Rebellion
and the Battle of Culloden 1746.

These are the wars I can think of:

• War of Spanish Succession
• American Revolution
• Napoleonic War (Spanish resistance was religion based)
• Crimean War
• Franco Prussian War
• WW1
• Russian Revolution
• Spanish Revolution
• WW2
• Breakup of Yugoslavia

Neither were fought on religion.

 

[Verve]

Meanwhile the war between Shias and Sunnis kills 100s of thousands.

Iraq attacked Iran after revolution, as per the USA orders. Nothing to do with Shia Sunni.

The war between Pakistan and India kills people weekly, certainly religious.

Over Kashmir.

The whole Israel - Arab conflict is about religion.

Over lands snatched from Palestinians by the Atheist Britian to Jews.

 

[jamahir]

Not once it is mentioned in Quran that earth orbits around anything. Earth is described as a carpet (stretched).

Please see Surah Ambiya : 33. Clearly mentioned heavenly bodies are revolving in orbits.

And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all [heavenly bodies] in an orbit are swimming.

Heavenly bodies do not include Earth.

Interesting.

Can you tell me what conclusion was drawn by later Muslim scientists during the Golden Age of Islam ??

im one of them.

If I humbly make a suggestion, you can read The Communist Manifesto and then Gaddafi's Green Book.

 

[Verve]

Can you tell me what conclusion was drawn by later Muslim scientists during the Golden Age of Islam ??

Is every scientist right all the time?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Your blame of Islam won't fly.

I am not trying to fly anything. I am merely playing devil's advocate here. The fact is by most measures we use the taste as proof of a recipe. Any abstraction can me claimed as the best thing in universe. It is when you implement it and the manifestation of that you can judge.

The entire discussion on this thread is futile. A faith can never be proven as much as it cannot be disproved. Religion has been the cause of death on industrial scale, so has athiesm and so has every other ism. That is the condition of humans.

 

[Verve]

I am merely playing devil's advocate here.

OK.

 

[jamahir]

Is every scientist right all the time?

No.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

True. And states are not made on Mars and exported to earth. States are collectives representation and the labours of the people who make then. For instance the German people are responsible for making two states - Bundesrepublik Deutschland [Germany] and Republik Österreich [Austria] and are reflection of their culture, their religion, their strengths, their weakness, their history. They are manifestation of those people.

How do we measure the success of something? Not by the abstraction but by the manifestation.

"the proof of a recipe is in the taste"

Meanwhile the war between Shias and Sunnis kills 100s of thousands.
The war between Pakistan and India kills people weekly, certainly religious.
The whole Israel - Arab conflict is about religion.

I might be wrong but the last war fought for religion in Europe was the Jacobite Rebellion
and the Battle of Culloden 1746.

These are the wars I can think of:

• War of Spanish Succession
• American Revolution
• Napoleonic War (Spanish resistance was religion based)
• Crimean War
• Franco Prussian War
• WW1
• Russian Revolution
• Spanish Revolution
• WW2
• Breakup of Yugoslavia

Neither were fought on religion.

True. And states are not made on Mars and exported to earth. States are collectives representation and the labours of the people who make then. For instance the German people are responsible for making two states - Bundesrepublik Deutschland [Germany] and Republik Österreich [Austria] and are reflection of their culture, their religion, their strengths, their weakness, their history. They are manifestation of those people.

How do we measure the success of something? Not by the abstraction but by the manifestation.

"the proof of a recipe is in the taste"

we Pakistanis are good educated Muslims and we are following most of the tenets and precepts of islam that's why all those evils are befalling us. Wow

 

[Verve]

we Pakistanis are good educated Muslims and we are following most of the tenets and precept of islam that's why all those evils are befalling us. Wow

We Pakistanis as muslims are unique indeed. Despite horrible governance and law enforcement for 3 decades, we are still intact and stronger militarily than before. Put any nation in the situation that we've been through, and that nation would have broken up. Islam has been our one and only bond.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Meanwhile the war between Shias and Sunnis kills 100s of thousands.
The war between Pakistan and India kills people weekly, certainly religious.
The whole Israel - Arab conflict is about religion.

I might be wrong but the last war fought for religion in Europe was the Jacobite Rebellion
and the Battle of Culloden 1746.

These are the wars I can think of:

• War of Spanish Succession
• American Revolution
• Napoleonic War (Spanish resistance was religion based)
• Crimean War
• Franco Prussian War
• WW1
• Russian Revolution
• Spanish Revolution
• WW2
• Breakup of Yugoslavia

Neither were fought on religion.

Europe is past the religious fever. When it had death often followed religion. Few days ago we had Guy Fawkes day. A reminder that religion was often behind people being toasted.

The whole Israel - Arab conflict is about religion.

This is not even remotely about religion despite the convenient attempt made to paint it as such. This is a war about European settlers and native Palestinians over land. If all the European settlers were Muslim the war still would be fought. You are aware that Christian Palestinians are as opposed to having their lands occupied as Muslim Palestinians.

This would be analogous to bunch of Nigeran Christians landing in Netherlands and claming your land on dubvious religious grounds going back two millenia. Would you be cool with it?

The war between Pakistan and India kills people weekly, certainly religious.

Again it might appear as religious but there are many threads at play here. There are nearly as many Muslims in India as Pakistan. The most Hindu [by %] country on earth is Nepal but Pakistan is cool with it. The reality is the trouble is over land - strategic rivalry. To colour it as religious is crude rendition of reality.

Put any nation in the situation that we've been through, and that nation would have broken up. Islam has been our one and only bond.

Entirely disagree. The reason Pakistan is united is down to little legacy left by the British. It's called institutional sanction. The army, the police, the civil serbice collectively create enough coercive force to hold everything together. Proof?

Islamic Pakistan cracked in half just after 24 years [1947-1971] but vast British India was held together by Britain which included Myanmar [Burma], Bangladesh, Indian Republic, Pakistan for over 98 years. If a alien rulers could kkep such a diverse range of humanity as Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Sikh with almost every ethnic group and languages possible. Ranging from Sino-Burmans to Indo Iranian Baloch to Dravidians of India together holding a small patch of Indus Basin together under Pakistan is no big cheaps.