Atheism: Next threat to humanity

[CriticalThought]

You never have to according to quran we can even say kufr to save our life we can eat pork and drink wine with in the limits to save our life
and someone else's life what to say our own family quran says saving one human is like saving the whole of humanity and killing one human is like killing the whole of humanity we need to read quran holistically. It's totally wrong deduction that in some cases we have to secrefic our family physically for God. The story
Of hazrat Ibrahim was really the end of human sacrifice. On altar. The real lesson was stop sacrificing Humans on altar I God just want purity of your heart not human blood On altar
in another place the Qur'an says that God receives neither bloody nor meat but the purity of your hearts. I know what you are saying and it's right but it can be misconstrued.

Oh bhai why are you so fatalistic? I do not believe the original question was about saving the life of parents. It was more in the spirit of, what if you need to take some action that has negative impact on parents. But even in the most severe case, for example, if a non-Muslim father is facing his son in Jihad, the son will not hesitate in taking his life. This is evident from the example of Abu Bakr May Allah be Pleased with him. Or suppose your non-Muslim parents command you to revert. You will not follow their order even if this irks them. As I said earlier, these are edge cases that do not occur in the normal lives of most Muslims.

Second, why are we even having the discussion of human sacrifice? Provide a valid reference that says any Shariah revealed by Allah ordained people to perform human sacrifice. The only case we have is that of Abraham and Ismail Peace be upon them, and as we all know, the actual act of human sacrifice didn't take place, it was merely a test. Why are you bringing up human sacrifice?

 

[Fawadqasim1]

Oh bhai why are you so fatalistic? I do not believe the original question was about saving the life of parents. It was more in the spirit of, what if you need to take some action that has negative impact on parents. But even in the most severe case, for example, if a non-Muslim father is facing his son in Jihad, the son will not hesitate in taking his life. This is evident from the example of Abu Bakr May Allah be Pleased with him. Or suppose your non-Muslim parents command you to revert. You will not follow their order even if this irks them. As I said earlier, these are edge cases that do not occur in the normal lives of most Muslims.

Second, why are we even having the discussion of human sacrifice? Provide a valid reference that says any Shariah revealed by Allah ordained people to perform human sacrifice. The only case we have is that of Abraham and Ismail Peace be upon them, and as we all know, the actual act of human sacrifice didn't take place, it was merely a test. Why are you bringing up human sacrifice?

Because human sacrifice was rampant at that time.

 

[kuge]

From what I read of the Bible, Abraham was asked by God to sacrifice his only son. To prove he would choose God even over the lives of his own family.

That's the choice I mean.

Abraham was ready to sacrifice his son Isaac because he was so confident god would raise his son from the death..
Abraham belived that because God had promised him He will make great nation out of abraham & his descendants..

 

[CriticalThought]

Because human sacrifice was rampant at that time.

Human sacrifice was still practiced in Egypt when Islamic forces invaded in the time Hazrat Omar May Allah Be Pleased with him. And 'Sati' is also a form of sacrifice. This has nothing to do with the actions of Hazrat Ibrahim Peace be upon him. Provide a valid reference that shows the link between 'rampant human sacrifice' and the symbolic sacrifice made by Hazrat Ibrahim May Allah Be Pleased with him.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

Human sacrifice was still practiced in Egypt when Islamic forces invaded in the time Hazrat Omar May Allah Be Pleased with him. And 'Sati' is also a form of sacrifice. This has nothing to do with the actions of Hazrat Ibrahim Peace be upon him. Provide a valid reference that shows the link between 'rampant human sacrifice' and the symbolic sacrifice made by Hazrat Ibrahim May Allah Be Pleased with him.

Yes I know hazrat umar's letter to river nile. But at
That time it couldn't be termed as rampant.

 

[KAMDEV]

I think I also often wonder about this.

Either Muslim kids by default are geniuses.

Or. The content itself is divine.

muslim kids become genius by default the day they see maulvi sahab beating students .

 

[zip]

Abraham was ready to sacrifice his son Isaac because he was so confident god would raise his son from the death..
Abraham belived that because God had promised him He will make great nation out of abraham & his descendants..

So in core of every religious practitioner lies a personal motive that investment in almighty will attract great rewards ..I don't see any moral high ground for a religious guy over athiest as athiest is helping themselves without depending on God ..

 

[KAMDEV]

Kashmir is all about religion.
The conflict is because Muslims want the land to be ruled by Muslims and the Hindus do not.

hindus are living with muslims in india , muslims dont want to let hindus live in kashmir .

 

[Fawadqasim1]

muslim kids become genius by default the day they see maulvi sahab beating students .

Maulvi sahibs beat students all over the world
for the last 15 centuries. In India Pakistan context yes to some extent but the world over
for the last 15 centuries.
total bolderdas.

 

[KAMDEV]

Maulvi sahibs beat students all over the world
for the last 15 centuries. In India Pakistan context yes to some extent but the world over
for the last 15 centuries.
total bolderdas.

this is why big inventions are coming from muslim scientists coming out of madarsa .

 

[Fawadqasim1]

So in core of every religious practitioner lies a personal motive that investment in almighty will attract great rewards ..I don't see any moral high ground for a religious guy over athiest as athiest is helping themselves without depending on God ..

No just to be a better person to know the absolute axiomatic good, to know the purpose of ones life and creation, to know the ultimate,
To know ones source and end.

this is why big inventions are coming from muslim scientists coming out of madarsa .

Please read this thread carefully from the beginning.

 

[zip]

No just to be a better person to know the absolute axiomatic good, to know the purpose of ones life and creation, to know the ultimate,
To know ones source and end.

That doesn't require numbers or mob but a single man's journey ..Religion on the other hand operates with numbers..

 

[CriticalThought]

So in core of every religious practitioner lies a personal motive that investment in almighty will attract great rewards ..I don't see any moral high ground for a religious guy over athiest as athiest is helping themselves without depending on God ..

This is the position of mankind in the universal order: to forever hope for Allah's Forgiveness and Rewards, and fear His Wrath. It's just like, if you are living on Earth, then you will be revolving around the Sun. You can deny this, but you can't change it. There is no personal motive, Muslims are simply following the Law of Nature itself.

 

[zip]

This is the position of mankind in the universal order: to forever hope for Allah's Forgiveness and Rewards, and fear His Wrath. It's just like, if you are living on Earth, then you will be revolving around the Sun. You can deny this, but you can't change it. There is no personal motive, Muslims are simply following the Law of Nature itself.

So no work has been done by humanity without any expectations !!! That explains why good people are distancing themselves from religion ..

 

[CriticalThought]

So no work has been done by humanity without any expectations !!! That explains why good people are distancing themselves from religion ..

People distancing themselves from Islam are inherently bad.