At least 500,000 Iraqis died during Western occupation

[noname1]

The fact is that the UN and sanctions did not deny Iraq money for Health Care or Food, it was the choice of the Saddam regime to do that. The Gulf and Iraq war was fought with the utmost effort in the history of warfare to prevent civilian damages.

Last month 800 plus Iraqis killed each other in terrorist attacks. So far 5000 have been killed by terrorist in Pakistan this year.

People allways kill each other off in dysfunctional countries, The Sunni and Shi'a have been killing each other off for 1500 years plus any other groups of muslims they can kill.

 

[Doritos11]

The fact is that the UN and sanctions did not deny Iraq money for Health Care or Food, it was the choice of the Saddam regime to do that. The Gulf and Iraq war was fought with the utmost effort in the history of warfare to prevent civilian damages.

Last month 800 plus Iraqis killed each other in terrorist attacks. So far 5000 have been killed by terrorist in Pakistan this year.

People allways kill each other off in dysfunctional countries, The Sunni and Shi'a have been killing each other off for 1500 years plus any other groups of muslims they can kill.

Ban on import of medicine and many other things due to it’s "possibility" being used for chemical weapon factories.

Whether we kill each other is none of your business, we are speaking about the US war crimes here.

 

[elis]

Its not DU causing all the birth defects in the Islamic world its inbreeding.

In Vietnam it was also inbreeding and not orange agent i guess

You can't explian why it appears after the USA invasion

The zionist witch

 

[noname1]

Slideshow: Bombs blasts across Iraq kill 25 people | Reuters.com


BAGHDAD | Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:36pm EDT

(Reuters) - A series of bombs killed at least 25 people across Iraq on Sunday ahead of the Muslim feast of Eid al-Adha, police and medical sources said.

Altogether 16 bombs went off, the deadliest of which was in the mainly Shi'ite city of Hilla, 100 km (60 miles) south of Baghdad, where two car bombs blew up in quick succession, killing at least five people, police said.

It was not immediately clear who was behind Sunday's attacks, but Sunni Islamist and other insurgents including al Qaeda, which views Shi'ite Muslims as non-believers, have been regaining ground in Iraq this year.

More than 6,000 people have been killed in acts of violence in Iraq so far in 2013, reversing a decline in sectarian bloodshed that peaked in 2006-2007.

In Kut, 160 km (100 miles) southeast of Baghdad, four car bombs exploded separately, one of them near a primary school and another close to a restaurant, killing at least two people and wounding 31, police said.

Leaflets signed by al Qaeda's Iraqi affiliate were distributed in recent days on the streets of Baquba, a city northeast of the capital, telling residents not to send their children to school or they will be killed, residents and police said.

Last week, a suicide bomber drove a truck packed with explosives into the playground of a primary school in northern Iraq and blew himself up, killing 14 children along with their headmaster.

"The surge of violence in Iraq spares no one and no place," said a statement from the United Nations following that attack.

A roadside bomb exploded near a soccer pitch where boys aged 14 to 16 were playing a match in Madaen, 30 km (20 miles) southeast of Baghdad, killing four of them, police and medics said.

In the capital, a series of bombs went off in busy streets in predominantly Sunni districts, killing eight people. Two car bombs exploded simultaneously near a car repair workshop in the city of Samawa, killing two people.

In Samarra, 60 km (40 miles) north of Baghdad, three suicide bombers clashed with policemen before detonating their vests, killing themselves and four others, police said.

Forced underground in 2007, al Qaeda's Iraqi wing has been reinvigorated by the civil war in neighboring Syria and growing resentment among the country's Sunni minority, which accuses the Shi'ite-led government of marginalizing them.

A raid by government security forces on a Sunni protest camp in April touched off a backlash by militants that still continues.

Al Qaeda's Iraqi affiliate merged with its Syrian counterpart this year to form the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, which has claimed responsibility for attacks on both sides of the border.

Iraqi Shi'ites have also crossed into Syria, where they are fighting alongside troops loyal to President Bashar al-Assad against mainly Sunni rebels.

Shi'ite militias in Iraq, which have laid down their arms in recent years, have largely held their fire, but several incidents over the past month indicate some groups may be retaliating for attacks blamed on Sunni insurgents.

I don't think the USA or I need any lectures from your kind.

 

[FCPX]

If there was one good thing that came of America's invasion of Iraq it was make it more difficult for America to do the same to other countries, and to raise public awareness in the West and the rest of the world of the Iraqi misadventure. Case in point Syria and possibly Iran which were to be the next targets in the "Axis of Evil" campaign.

Saddam was an evil and cruel dictator and the world is better off without him but the price paid by the Iraqi people for his removal, still being paid, was too high.

 

[Doritos11]

Slideshow: Bombs blasts across Iraq kill 25 people | Reuters.com

I don't think the USA or I need any lectures from your kind.

Done by those who the US supported in the 80’s and maybe supports today.
You are calling them all "your kind", this generalizing based on Muslims, Arabs or what ? Don’t know what your "kind" is but the crimes you defend tell us enough.

This is the garbage Iraq has to clean because of the US, they won’t even assist.
But your so concerned about 14 Iraqi children suddenly, tell us about the video of 500.000 children dieing.

 

[al-Hasani]

It was Russian weapons that kept Saddam in power, not the USA, it takes a complete idiot to believe that the USA was behind a country supplied by Russian weapons attacking Israel.

You are the one that is an idiot and ignorant if anything. Very typical for a large sector of the American public. You are telling me that your country never supported Saddam Hussein militarily or politically? If so you need to open a book.

Why the hell are you talking about inbreeding knowing nothing about it? Do you know that cousin marriages were very common throughout Europe just 100 years ago and that most if not all Americans (those that came before the civil war) are all inbreeds? Meaning that they are related. There is a reason why all American presidents are related.

The fact is that those abnormalities are at non-normal and very high level in Fallujah which is seen nowhere else in Iraq, the Arab world or Middle East.

Our Vietnamese troll (Sun Piwa aka Elis) is right when he says that similar things have been observed in Vietnam.

So cut the crap. It's pathetic.

Fallujah babies born with birth defects as a result of Depleted Uranium WMD contaminated dust. - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX9XJlxL6Vo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCjbTALVN6Q

 

[al-Hasani]

LOL. I already told you that Europe had the same problems until very recently and some still have that. Inbreeding was and is common. Most Europeans are related. Americans too. At least the old immigrants. Besides all those numbers are nonsense. Jyllands-Posten is a Danish gossip newspaper that also started the Muhammad Cartoons and other nonsense. They have a tradition of writing nonsense about Muslims. I live in Denmark and know them very good. They are not a serious newspaper.

Do you have a proof of 70% of all Pakistanis being so-called inbred?

You ran out of arguments. Pathetic.

Trying to change the subject.

 

[Karasonmuno]

Mainly from killing each other. Which they are still doing.

I am sure that some casualties of the war may have been from sectarian conflict and strife, but that does not exonerate the invasion whatsoever. I personally feel that the U.S. had many complex motives for imposing the regime change, but that is neither here nor there.

 

[Doritos11]

As for DU, it contains radioactivity with levels not safe for animals, still requires a study to figure out it’s dangerous to people ?
It is general knowledge that (Uranium) heavy metal is destructive to people’s nature.

Done arguing with the hillbilly.

 

[al-Hasani]

Here is a little bit of homework for the noname1 troll.

FAQ 28-What are the potential health effects from uranium exposure?

I cannot believe how you are trying to make pathetic excuses and talk about other issues that are not correct or even relevant.

Exposure to uranium can result in both chemical and radiological toxicity. The main chemical effect associated with exposure to uranium and its compounds is kidney toxicity. This toxicity can be caused by breathing air containing uranium dusts or by eating substances containing uranium, which then enters the bloodstream. Once in the bloodstream, the uranium compounds are filtered by the kidneys, where they can cause damage to the kidney cells. Very high uranium intakes (ranging from about 50 to 150 mg depending on the individual) can cause acute kidney failure and death. At lower intake levels (around 25 to 40 mg), damage can be detected by the presence of protein and dead cells in the urine, but there are no other symptoms. Also, at lower intake levels, the kidney repairs itself over a period of several weeks after the uranium exposure has stopped.

Several possible health effects are associated with human exposure to radiation from uranium. Because all uranium isotopes mainly emit alpha particles that have little penetrating ability, the main radiation hazard from uranium occurs when uranium compounds are ingested or inhaled. However, workers in the vicinity of large quantities of uranium in storage or in a processing facility also are exposed to low levels of external radiation from uranium decay products. At the exposure levels typically associated with the handling and processing of uranium, the primary radiation health effect of concern is an increased probability of the exposed individual developing cancer during their lifetime. Cancer cases induced by radiation are generally indistinguishable from other "naturally occurring" cancers and occur years after the exposure takes place. The probability of developing a radiation-induced cancer increases with increasing uranium intakes.

The extent of damage from exposure to a uranium compound depends on the solubility of the compound and the route of exposure. In most assessments only inhalation, ingestion, and external radiation are considered. Although absorption of some soluble compounds through the skin is possible, such dermal exposures generally are not significant. For inhalation or ingestion of soluble or moderately soluble compounds such as uranyl fluoride (UO2F2) or uranium tetrafluoride (UF4), the uranium enters the bloodstream and reaches the kidney and other internal organs, so that chemical toxicity is of primary importance. For inhalation of insoluble compounds such as uranium dioxide (UO2) and triuranium octaoxide (U3O8), the uranium is generally deposited in the lungs and can remain there for long periods of time (months or years). The main concern from exposure to these insoluble compounds is increased cancer risk from the internal exposure to radioactivity. Ingested insoluble compounds are poorly absorbed from the gastrointestinal tract and are only retained in the body for a short time, thus generally having a low toxicity.

(For more details on uranium health effects, see also Section 4.3.1 of the PEIS.)

Here is even an American study conducted on American "war heroes" from the First Gulf War called "HEALTH EFFECTS OF DEPLETED URANIUM ON EXPOSED GULF WAR VETERANS: A 10-YEAR FOLLOW-UP"

http://www.pdhealth.mil/downloads/Env_Health Effects_DU.pdf

Look under the "discussion" where some of the conclusions are drawn.

DISCUSSION
Ten years after first exposure, a small group of Gulf War veterans wounded with depleted uranium-containing shrapnel continue to excrete elevated con- centrations of uranium in their urine. Urine U concentrations in this group of soldiers are clearly above normal concentrations present in the general population, which occur from exposure to natural U through dietary and drinking sources. Reported urine uranium concentrations in unexposed persons have ranged from a geometric mean of 0.007μg/L (CDC, 2003) to 0.0309±0.0196μg/L (Medley et al., 1994). The highest urine uranium concentrations in soldiers with fragments are similar to levels reported by Thun and coworkers (1985) for a cohort of uranium mill workers in 1975. The mean urine uranium concen- tration in this group was 65.2 μg/L, with a 95th percentile value of 120 μg/L.
Throughout the duration of this surveillance program, a 24-h urine uranium determination standardized per gram creatinine has provided an effective integrating dosimeter of systemic uranium exposure. The clear determinant of urine uranium concentration, the presence of retained uranium containing metal fragments in soft tissue, has been observed in all of our previous evaluations (Hooper et al., 1998; McDiarmid et al., 2000, 2001). The consistency in uranium excretion over time suggests the uranium body burden is in a steady state in both the high and low urine uranium groups. For those soldiers possessing
292 M. A. McDIARMID ET AL.
metal fragments, the size of these depots is sufficiently large as to not allow any appreciable decline of the uranium body burden over the 2-yr time period between medical evaluations. For the majority of the soldiers in the 2001 cohort who do not have retained metal fragments, but sustained their DU exposure through inhalation or wound contamination, any initial systemic ura- nium has been eliminated or transported to long-term storage sites such as bone. Consequently, their uranium burden is also in a steady state, with minimal release from body stores, as evidenced by their low urinary uranium excretion.

You Sir need to get back to the school books.

 

[al-Hasani]

Here is even a video your American military made in 1995 about the dangers of exposure to uranium.

Depleted Uranium (DU) Radiation Awarness Training. Between October and December 1995, the U.S. Army's Depleted Uranium (DU) Project completed a series of training videos and manuals about depleted uranium munitions. This training regimen was developed as the result of recommendations made in the January 1993 General Accounting Office (GAO) report, Army Not Adequately Prepared to Deal with Depleted Uranium Contamination. The training materials were intended to instruct servicemen and women about the use and hazards of depleted uranium munitions. In addition, the training regimen included instructions for soldiers who repair and recover vehicles contaminated by depleted uranium. Exposure to uranium and depleted uranium. Under most circumstances, use of DU will make a negligible contribution to the overall natural background levels of uranium in the environment. Probably the greatest potential for DU exposure will follow conflict where DU munitions are used. A recent United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) report giving field measurements taken around selected impact sites in Kosovo (Federal Republic of Yugoslavia) indicates that contamination by DU in the environment was localized to a few tens of metres around impact sites. Contamination by DU dusts of local vegetation and water supplies was found to be extremely low. Thus, the probability of significant exposure to local populations was considered to be very low. A UN expert team reported in November 2002 that they found traces of DU in three locations among 14 sites investigated in Bosnia following NATO airstrikes in 1995. A full report is expected to be published by UNEP in March 2003. Levels of DU may exceed background levels of uranium close to DU contaminating events. Over the days and years following such an event, the contamination normally becomes dispersed into the wider natural environment by wind and rain. People living or working in affected areas may inhale contaminated dusts or consume contaminated food and drinking water. People near an aircraft crash may be exposed to DU dusts if counterweights are exposed to prolonged intense heat. Significant exposure would be rare, as large masses of DU counterweights are unlikely to ignite and would oxidize only slowly. Exposures of clean-up and emergency workers to DU following aircraft accidents are possible, but normal occupational protection measures would prevent any significant exposure. Intake of depleted uranium: Average annual intakes of uranium by adults are estimated to be about 0.5mg (500 μg) from ingestion of food and water and 0.6 μg from breathing air. Ingestion of small amounts of DU contaminated soil by small children may occur while playing. Contact exposure of DU through the skin is normally very low and unimportant. Intake from wound contamination or embedded fragments in skin tissues may allow DU to enter the systemic circulation. Public domain video.

Depleted Uranium (DU) Radiation Awarness Training Video DOD - YouTube

Stick talking about EVERYTHING ELSE than the topic and keep talking about so-called inbreeding in Pakistan which has nothing to do with the population in Fallujah and elsewhere in Iraq (not only in Iraq throughout modern history) that have been exposed to depleted uranium and other dangerous/damaging chemicals. White phosphorus especially.

I will try not to complicate it too much for you so I will limit myself to giving you a Wikipedia link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus_use_in_Iraq

You can see the references at the end of the page.

Done arguing with you.

Before you start talking about Arab this and that then I am a chemical engineering student so I should know this field more than you and most here.

 

[noname1]

I am sure that some casualties of the war may have been from sectarian conflict and strife, but that does not exonerate the invasion whatsoever. I personally feel that the U.S. had many complex motives for imposing the regime change, but that is neither here nor there.

How do you feel about a PEW survey in 2005 that 74 percent of Iraqis are glad to be rid of Saddam.

 

[IFB]

Who wants to be "liberated" next ?

 

[noname1]

As for DU, it contains radioactivity with levels not safe for animals, still requires a study to figure out it’s dangerous to people ?
It is general knowledge that (Uranium) heavy metal is destructive to people’s nature.

Done arguing with the hillbilly.

Its kind of stupid to take anti war and anti nuclear as well as anti American propaganda about DU as gospel when th4e Atomic Energy
says
Is DU a Health Hazard?
◾Based on credible scientific evidence, there is no proven link between DU exposure and increases in human cancers or other significant health or environmental impacts.
◾The most definitive study of DU exposure is of Gulf War veterans who have embedded DU shrapnel in their bodies that cannot be removed. To date none has developed any health abnormalities due to uranium chemical toxicity or radio toxicity.
◾It is a common misconception that radioactivity is the main health hazard of DU rather than chemical toxicity. Like other heavy metals, DU is potentially poisonous. In sufficient amounts, if DU is ingested or inhaled it can be harmful because of its chemical toxicity. High concentration could cause kidney damage.
◾According to the World Health Organization (WHO), very large amounts of DU dust would have to be inhaled to cause lung cancer from radio toxicity. Risks of other radiation-induced cancers, including leukemia, are considered to be very much lower still.
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