At last, a Pak official voice absolves Raw

[SQ8]

Why did'nt you direct me to:
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That might have been more credible instead.

Depends on what you hold credible, next time Ill direct you to the ancient Indian spaceships thread instead of any of my posts on the matter.

 

[Solomon2]

@Oscar. Let me submit what I know and you can take it for what it's worth.

1. Baloch separatists have Indian connections but it is more at the preparatory stage for now. That is why you do not see much coming out of that region. I've been told that the redline is another 26/11 like attack. Not even the frequent Kashmir cross border terrorism will 'trigger' an all out support from India. This was what Chuck was referring to btw. So yes- they do have contacts with this group, but it is all prep work so far coming out Afghanistan. And then too it would need a green light from Delhi.

AND! Delhi knows that the U.S. knows this, so I'm not even sure they will give a green light and risk being called out.

So the Pakistanis' accusation of India plotting terror via its Afghan embassies isn't merely a product of fevered imaginations but has a real basis to it?

 

[SQ8]

@Oscar. Let me submit what I know and you can take it for what it's worth.

1. Baloch separatists have Indian connections but it is more at the preparatory stage for now. That is why you do not see much coming out of that region. I've been told that the redline is another 26/11 like attack. Not even the frequent Kashmir cross border terrorism will 'trigger' an all out support from India. This was what Chuck was referring to btw. So yes- they do have contacts with this group, but it is all prep work so far coming out Afghanistan. And then too it would need a green light from Delhi.

AND! Delhi knows that the U.S. knows this, so I'm not even sure they will give a green light and risk being called out.

2. With TTP there is no chance no how of any Indian backing. TTP unlike the Baloch groups which are largely about " independence", are hard core Islamists. There is no way this group will tie up with Hindu India. Their core fundamental principles lie in a misguided protection and interpretation of Islam, and that makes it impossible for India to even approach this group.

I understand what you are trying to say, however regarding the 1st and 2nd bit what I know on the matter from my own relationships with people working in the right places I shall repeat here.

The issue is the way these wars are now fought. I gave the ISIS example precisely as it is the FIRST public demonstration of how proxy wars and terrorism is backed and used on an almost freelance basis by anyone who needs to for an agenda.

What started off as an attempt by the Saudis and Israelis each with their own independent agenda to remove an Iranian backed regime in Syria, to take an example closer to your home.. take the recent Indian elections.. there are normal regular folk without any ideas of Akhand Bharat who supported NaMo in his election because they saw the potential for economic uplift, and then there are those who supported him because they wanted a temple at the site of the Babri mosque.. it is very likely that these two parties would normally not associate themselves with each other, but because the means would fulfil both their demands they joined hands.
The same way the Israelis(reportedly) and the Saudis joined in with the Rebels to achieve a goal they both found beneficial. The Saudis have the most potent strain of the terror virus stored away in their vaults(which ironically they've spent years on ensuring does not effect their own society as much) and they had the funds to push it in. Since the removal of Assad favours most of the GCCs agenda of having Iran out of the mix.. they all pitched in. The US finds out and decides to take over from Israel in providing the funds in this free for all against Iran. On the ground, you have the basic idea of rebels against Assad but as such its just a huge petri dish with each trying their brand of killer virus to see what kills Assad. Lo and Behold, just as with all viruses, it left the dish..and backfired..but the important point to note was the petri dish.. in this case the guinea pig of Syria and eventually Iran. So anyone who had any beef with Iran, found this nice open wound with semi-controllable viruses teeming in it, all willing to do the work for a few thousand dollars. To a state looking to settle scores or press its interests against another state.. this is the proverbial gold mine; a colony of multiple use mercenaries all willing to die for a very modest investment.

Take that same mirror and apply it to Pakistan and the TTP. Here is an opportunity(that India did not create) of anti-state elements in Pakistan(who are always on the lookout for funds and training) that are willing to do some work(via Afghan mediators) for a few thousand dollars. ANY , and I mean ANY smart state facing a neighbour like Pakistan would NEVER leave this opportunity be regardless of any pacifist ideals they may have held(hardly so considering the Indian reprisal attempts in the early 90s). In this case however, there is a massive need to avenge a wound called 26/11.. or is it?
IMHO, the issue may have a little sentiment with 26/11 but has more to do with the aforementioned need to keep Pakistan out as a border threat, out of the Kashmir issue.. and embroiled in its own survival with its own cancer where it just barely lives on.. and essentially ends up being a non-issue to India.

 

[pakdefender]

funny indians

when more than one official say that india is destabilizing Pakistan , then they are all wrong

but when one says otherwise , then its time to quote him and do randi dance around it

 

[PoKeMon]

funny indians

when more than one official say that india is destabilizing Pakistan , then they are all wrong

but when one says otherwise , then its time to quote him and do randi dance around it

Ok India stage those innocent kids massacre, if it helps building more hatred toward us and benefiting jihadi propaganda.

I hope more living kids will now join jihad against evil hindus now....happy?

 

[@nline]

Where is your proof? Or is it just the hate?
They HAVE financed TTP attacks in the past, but this had nothing to do with that.



Should not be, common mistake by Pakistanis is that they think that all Pakistanis or even the majority thinks like them.

I am not agreed with you.
Because the reality is that majority of Pakistan is blind against Indian-Culture. Thanks to GEO Network.

 

[SQ8]

I am not agreed with you.
Because the reality is that majority of Pakistan is blind against Indian-Culture. Thanks to GEO Network.

Far from it, the majority of Pakistanis are VERy intune with what Indian culture is and what they really think of us. Your mistake is that like 90.233884212% of Pakistanis.. you may be included to see only two colours..

 

[@nline]

Far from it, the majority of Pakistanis are VERy intune with what Indian culture is and what they really think of us. Your mistake is that like 90.233884212% of Pakistanis.. you may be included to see only two colours..

Since you are living in USA therefore I accept from you that kind of poor thought against Pakistan. Its not about to see the two, three or four colors. Its all about the reality!

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Depends on what you hold credible, next time Ill direct you to the ancient Indian spaceships thread instead of any of my posts on the matter.

It also depends on what "stories" that you choose to spin......
Your posts on any alleged TTP connections can fly with ancient Indian or Somali Spaceships till then.
More so if they are based on simply "Chacha-Phupho-Khaala" information (conjectures).....like in post#123 above.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@Oscar

Even if India supports TTP and BLA ; it might be just financial or weapons aid

India does not give targets to TTP or BLA that is impractical

So this Peshawar attack is the product of TTP's own mindset
TTP wanted to attack APS Peshawar and they did it

India did not ask them to do it

 

[SQ8]

It also depends on what "stories" that you choose to spin......
Your posts on any alleged TTP connections can fly with ancient Indian or Somali Spaceships till then.
More so if they are based on simply "Chacha-Phupho-Khaala" information (conjectures).....like in post#123 above.

So can your denial based on burying your head into the ground and putting your bum on the usual high horse common to your countrymen.

@Oscar

Even if India supports TTP and BLA ; it might be just financial or weapons aid

India does not give targets to TTP or BLA that is impractical

So this Peshawar attack is the product of TTP's own mindset
TTP wanted to attack APS Peshawar and they did it

India did not ask them to do it

I do not disagree with you there.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@Capt.Popeye

Sir dont you think after 26/11 ; India has EVERY RIGHT to help BLA and TTP

And if we are doing so what is wrong in it

At least we should have the satisfaction of having hit back
and doing something to avenge 26/11; TILL the Gloves come off finally ; ONE FINE DAY
and our TANKS start rolling over

 

[Foggy_Bottom]

So the Pakistanis' accusation of India plotting terror via its Afghan embassies isn't merely a product of fevered imaginations but has a real basis to it?

I would be careful using the term “plotting” as it has many different connotations to it. Plotting can be assumed as real support in place, financing and plans laid out with tangible objectives. That is not the case here. There is no evidence of any serious material support or plans in place to immediately act upon.

My understanding is that Indian intelligence agencies have met with the leader of the Baloch separatist movement. There is a picture of him entering the Indian consulate in Afghanistan. That’s all the evidence the Pakistanis also shows us and I suspect the Indians made no secret about it- implying forewarning .

The Baloch cause is based on seeking independence and very different from other Islamist movements like the TTP.
For the longest India has played the role of having a defensive posture in all this and they still do. The views changed a few years ago. To needing to build a network within Pakistan, and aligning with a group that could be used as a retaliatory measure should another 26/11 like act take place within India. The problem they would face is- can they really control the actions (see targets chosen) by this group.

In India, the RAW (intelligence agency) is firmly under the control of the government. Any next steps from going from consultations to actual material support needs Delhi's approval i.e. The Iran-Contra like covert Government / CIA wink, wink, nod, nod approval has not been given by Delhi yet. And this is important to note: It may never take place.

 

[SQ8]

Since you are living in USA therefore I accept from you that kind of poor thought against Pakistan. Its not about to see the two, three or four colors. Its all about the reality!

I started living in the US a month ago.. lived the other years of my life in Pakistan. So your ideas fall flat on their face.

 

[Hiptullha]

@Capt.Popeye

Sir dont you think after 26/11 ; India has EVERY RIGHT to help BLA and TTP

And if we are doing so what is wrong in it

At least we should have the satisfaction of having hit back
and doing something to avenge 26/11; TILL the Gloves come off finally ; ONE FINE DAY
and our TANKS start rolling over

Mister, don't you think after 1971 ; Pakistan has EVERY RIGHT to help separatists and terrorists in India.