Assessment of India’s Balakot raid, aftermath & future implications

[Wood]

The whole world wanted pakistan to retreat back to its original position... this factor is in India's favor not Pakistan. So the reason why Pakistan retreated was because of American pressure on Pakistan and supported India.
is this too hard for your cow dung brain to comprehend? Or you still stuck with your mythical propaganda?

What you call as ‘pressure on Pakistan’ is simply termed as lack of American support for Pakistan from an Indian (and perhaps even American) perspective. It is pointless to quarrel about what happened two decades ago at this point.

 

[Srinivas]

On the flip side, the retaliation from PAF exposed India's BVR handicap for everyone to see. This would make GOI to think twice before employing IAF to attack Pakistan in near future (at least for 2 or 3 years). Pakistan's political leadership on the other hand has clearly witnessed the edge that PAF commands in BVR arena. This would embolden them with confidence to handle future encounters that stop short of an all out war.

The incompetence of IAF to keep technical parity with PAF has screwed India big time.

Indian Sukhois dodged close to 5 AMRAAMs, reason why PAF is now going for chinese BVRs. The one mig 21 that was shot was in chase mode after 3 F16s.

The Mig21 might have hit by ground to air missiles as well.

 

[Mentee]

The Mig21 might have hit by ground to air missiles as well.

Is it some unique attempt at face saving ?

Could be a sling shot as well

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Indian Sukhois dodged close to 5 AMRAAMs, reason why PAF is now going for chinese BVRs. The one mig 21 that was shot was in chase mode after 3 F16s.

The Mig21 might have hit by ground to air missiles as well.

Sources: Indiot Twitter propaganda factory in Bhanlore

Is it some unique attempt at face saving ?

Could be a sling shot as well

At least they are not saying "crashed due to bird hit" other wise superhero abhi would have shot down entire F-16 squadron.

What you call as ‘pressure on Pakistan’ is simply termed as lack of American support for Pakistan from an Indian (and perhaps even American) perspective. It is pointless to quarrel about what happened two decades ago at this point.

You can interpret it which ever way it suites your ego.. but the fact remains... India got its @ss kicked by a smaller nation which occupied Indian territory for 3 months and India had to ask America to force Pakistan to retreat.

 

[Mentee]

At least they are not saying "crashed due to bird hit" other wise superhero abhi would have shot down entire F-16 squadron.

The better hire some revisionists for this thing also. Otherwise its haunting them day in and out.

Umm the next o.p title could very well be like

" the clouds were responsible for affecting abhis peripheral vision"

 

[Jackdaws]

The whole world wanted pakistan to retreat back to its original position... this factor is in India's favor not Pakistan. So the reason why Pakistan retreated was because of American pressure on Pakistan and supported India.
is this too hard for your cow dung brain to comprehend? Or you still stuck with your mythical propaganda?

Lol. You first came to India asking for some cease fire. India refused that there would be no talks till there was withdrawal. Only then your PM ran to US asking for some exit. You can eat and drink what you want - but reading history is only a Google search away.

 

[ziaulislam]

The article misses the point. Modi had a domestic audience to please, yes. But he did something Indians wanted for a long time - to put Pakistan on the backfoot. Yes, Pakistan had a calibrated response the next day but Pak has been remembering Gandhi and Nehru ever since. Everyone would like peace. But Pakistan's bravado in using non state actors against India and thinking India can't respond has vaporized. Even if one buys every Pak argument that only trees were hit and that they shot down 2 jets and India didn't shoot down anything - then too, the point was that India will strike inside Pak if it wants to escalate and is willing to bet the odds in such a scenario. It almost certainly takes out Pakistani non state actors from the India Pak equation for the foreseeable future. And Pak can't attack India with its regular armed forces. That's it.

Thats a pretty foolish assumption
Both countries will continue to use proxies..
What it did do was to humilate india and vaporize the perception that beast is too big to tackle..

If anything it will make the pakistani too bold..

Noone in wasington or bejing even imagined that pakistan will respond back they thought we wont and we cant...seems both over estimated the indian tactics and boldness

Look at kashmir afterwards there have been numerous attacks and situation is still as tense as ever..the diplomatic push is as strong as ever and arterlly exchange is as deadly as ever..

Only causlity is that 6 people were murdered by their own brothers in this exchange

Indian Sukhois dodged close to 5 AMRAAMs, reason why PAF is now going for chinese BVRs. The one mig 21 that was shot was in chase mode after 3 F16s.

The Mig21 might have hit by ground to air missiles as well.

So you believe your army so dont believe this

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Anyway India occupied kashmir for last 73 yrs and it continues till date, and so fat

The princely state of Jammu and Kashmir acceded to Hindustan at partition. Pakistan forcibly occupied a third or so of that Indian territory. It is now called Azad Kashmir.

India forcibly occupies 60% of its allocation.

When will you come to claim the bit we stole off you?

 

[ziaulislam]

PS
i still dont believe we have been shown any evidence of su30 shot down so it still just claim...

Though the strikes and f16 have been proven bogus by well reputabe NEUTRAL sources

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Don't u guys consider kashmir as IOK?

so kargil is like india reoccupying a pakistan land after 3 months. Anyway India occupied kashmir for last 73 yrs and it continues till date, and so fat pakistan couldn't anything expect make some noise at the UN.Even the special status of kashmir has been revoked on 5th aug, so what are guys waiting for, centenary of indian occupation of kashmir??

LOL this is your stupid comeback indiot?
Pakistan has been occupying Indian territory since 1947 when it was formed. LOL and then Pakistan snatched almost 1/3 of Kashmir from India in 1948 so yes Pakistan has been occupying Indian territory for longer then India is occupying Pakistani territory. lol

Lol. You first came to India asking for some cease fire. India refused that there would be no talks till there was withdrawal. Only then your PM ran to US asking for some exit. You can eat and drink what you want - but reading history is only a Google search away.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/orde...1999-kargil-conflict-redefined-us-india-ties/
When the U.S. determined that Pakistan had deliberately violated the Line of Control near Kargil, Clinton did not hesitate to blame Pakistan for risking a broader war. For the first time, an American administration was siding publicly with India against Pakistani aggression. The Pakistani generals who had planned the Kargil incursion, led by Pervez Musharraf, had badly misread the likely American reaction.

 

[Wood]

Indian Sukhois dodged close to 5 AMRAAMs, reason why PAF is now going for chinese BVRs. The one mig 21 that was shot was in chase mode after 3 F16s.
The Mig21 might have hit by ground to air missiles as well.

Where has it been reported that MKIs dodged 5 AMRAAMs? NDTV has reported back in May that the MKIs were out gunned in BVR combat.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/orde...1999-kargil-conflict-redefined-us-india-ties/
When the U.S. determined that Pakistan had deliberately violated the Line of Control near Kargil, Clinton did not hesitate to blame Pakistan for risking a broader war. For the first time, an American administration was siding publicly with India against Pakistani aggression. The Pakistani generals who had planned the Kargil incursion, led by Pervez Musharraf, had badly misread the likely American reaction.

It is a stretch to claim that the above line is evidence to say that Indian asked America for help in dealing with Pakistan.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

It is a stretch to claim that the above line is evidence to say that Indian asked America for help in dealing with Pakistan.

yah... anything against indian narrative is false right???

 

[Wood]

yah... anything against indian narrative is false right???

Nope. Your conclusions are not supported by good reasoning is all. Anyways, I’ve involved myself in this argument more than I should have. So I’ll stop with this.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Nope. Your conclusions are not supported by good reasoning is all. Anyways, I’ve involved myself in this argument more than I should have. So I’ll stop with this.

And your reasoning is just reflection of your imagination.

 

[PradoTLC]

Why momeen so triggered,I just pointed out factual error

and you pointed out it was propaganda... which it wasnt

guess you got triggered

Of course they were siding with India. The whole world was. Point was if you had it in you, you would have continued to fight than to run to America for an exit.



Let's see.

whole world was siding with India?..

lol

Arabs?... you should have seen their chatter

Turks?..

lol

they hacked your sites

Malaysisa and the rest of the must world?.

lol

So who supported you?..USA france and Israel and the rest of world when they figured the scam you pulled up started pissing on you lot.