Assessment of India’s Balakot raid, aftermath & future implications

[Rollno21]

Our poor economy is the main reason you are jumping from the seat. Had we be a strong economy, we could had put you on backfoot like we did on 1990s(including 1999) and 2001-2002 Operation Parakaram

And for non state actors dude you cowards tried hard to get Pakistan Black listed bcz you were afraid of "Pakistani Backed NTAs" otherwise if FATF wouldn't had happened Pulvama and Mumbai would had continued plus you guys witnessing 27 Feb Humiliation more often

If you have followed what happened after kargil you would not have said what you said.in short there was a time when even when fire exchange takes place at loc ,world capitals use to make statements to reduce the tentions or if it was heave then to world leaders used to the capitals of India and Pakistan,before that time we where the only one who used to say there is cross border from Pakistan.All the countries used to give equal weightage to both countries.what happened after that

No country gives a puck what happens in this part of the world,no statements no visits.no meaningful country gave a statement when India bombed deep inside Pakistan ,no one said nuclear flashpoint other than your PM,next part all your neighbors along with the world powers accuse Pakistan of supporting non state actors .and now you know how all the countries treat both the countries.

If you are true Pakistani you would realise the damage it has done to Pakistans standing in the world and it's image.

 

[Longhorn]

If you have followed what happened after kargil you would not have said what you said.in short there was a time when even when fire exchange takes place at loc ,world capitals use to make statements to reduce the tentions or if it was heave then to world leaders used to the capitals of India and Pakistan,before that time we where the only one who used to say there is cross border from Pakistan.All the countries used to give equal weightage to both countries.what happened after that

No country gives a puck what happens in this part of the world,no statements no visits.no meaningful country gave a statement when India bombed deep inside Pakistan ,no one said nuclear flashpoint other than your PM,next part all your neighbors along with the world powers accuse Pakistan of supporting non state actors .and now you know how all the countries treat both the countries.

If you are true Pakistani you would realise the damage it has done to Pakistans standing in the world and it's image.

The only reason our standing is damaged is because we don't lick American balls anymore.
When we did, our standing was fine.
Now you have got the job, your standing is fine, when you stop licking American balls, yours too will be damaged.
Quite simple really.
The more things change the more they stay the same.

 

[Rollno21]

The only reason our standing is damaged is because we don't lick American balls anymore.
When we did, our standing was fine.
Now you have got the job, your standing is fine, when you stop licking American balls, yours too will be damaged.
Quite simple really.
The more things change the more they stay the same.

We are not the once who fought Americans wot ,you did.you guys keep blaming Musharraf,nz,jardhari of selling the national interests to US if that's not ball licking then what is ?
Any I remembered galib after reading your post.

 

[Tumba]

The article misses the point. Modi had a domestic audience to please, yes. But he did something Indians wanted for a long time - to put Pakistan on the backfoot. Yes, Pakistan had a calibrated response the next day but Pak has been remembering Gandhi and Nehru ever since. Everyone would like peace. But Pakistan's bravado in using non state actors against India and thinking India can't respond has vaporized. Even if one buys every Pak argument that only trees were hit and that they shot down 2 jets and India didn't shoot down anything - then too, the point was that India will strike inside Pak if it wants to escalate and is willing to bet the odds in such a scenario. It almost certainly takes out Pakistani non state actors from the India Pak equation for the foreseeable future. And Pak can't attack India with its regular armed forces. That's it.

Correct analysis, this will be the norm now, even if Modi govt loses new Govt who ever comes will be under tremendous pressure to repeat the same policy.

IAF for all its fault is much more capable airforce than PAF, with latest acquisitions it seems the whole narrative has been changed to acquire weapons and plateforms catered to precision strike inside heavily defended areas by latest 4th Gen tech plus advance air defense systems which PAF is acquired/acquiring.

Meteor
Spectra
Scalp
S-400

will be deployed in pockets with in a year by IAF.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Correct analysis, this will be the norm now, even if Modi govt loses new Govt who ever comes will be under tremendous pressure to repeat the same policy.

IAF for all its fault is much more capable airforce than PAF, with latest acquisitions it seems the whole narrative has been changed to acquire weapons and plateforms catered to precision strike inside heavily defended areas by latest 4th Gen tech plus advance air defense systems which PAF is acquired/acquiring.

Meteor
Spectra
Scalp
S-400

will be deployed in pockets with in a year by IAF.

OK WHAT NEXT YOU WILL GETTING IN NEAR FUTURE, USS ENTERPRISE FROM STAR TREK MOVIE, AND CONFIRMED BY YOUR MIGHTY/VEDIC IAF EITHER THEY INTRUDE IN PAKISTANI AIRSPACE OR USED SPICE-2000 GLIDE BOMBS WHICH MISSES ITS TARGETS COMPLETELY, AND YOUR MIRAGES HAVE MORE ADVANCE THEN OUR F-16 BLOCK-52 AND WHAT ABOUT YOUR MIGHTY/VEDIC RAPTOR OF THE EAST MKI, IS MKI INFERIOR TO OUR F-16/JF-17/MIRAGES

 

[Tumba]

OK WHAT NEXT YOU WILL GETTING IN NEAR FUTURE, USS ENTERPRISE FROM STAR TREK MOVIE, AND CONFIRMED BY YOUR MIGHTY/VEDIC IAF EITHER THEY INTRUDE IN PAKISTANI AIRSPACE OR USED SPICE-2000 GLIDE BOMBS WHICH MISSES ITS TARGETS COMPLETELY, AND YOUR MIRAGES HAVE MORE ADVANCE THEN OUR F-16 BLOCK-52 AND WHAT ABOUT YOUR MIGHTY/VEDIC RAPTOR OF THE EAST MKI, IS MKI INFERIOR TO OUR F-16/JF-17/MIRAGES

you are not that clear what exactly you want to say?

 

[Jackdaws]

There was a point established that day not once but a number of times.
The first was that we will retaliate Indian aggression every time. The second was that we will retaliate that aggression many times over. The third was that we have live intelligence assets within the Indian system that served their purpose when the time came.
The only way Indian objectives of setting a new normal would have been achieved would have been if a) Pakistan had not retaliated b) if India had maintained escalation until Pakistan backed down. Neither happened. In the end it was Pakistan threatening escalation which made the Indians back down from their threatened missile strikes.
The only message that was sent out that day was that if the Indians fancy their chances, they had better be prepared to go all the way or stay at home.

And that's precisely why there have been no more major attacks in India and even Imran Khan told the likes of LeT and JeM not to intervene in Kashmir after India abrogated Article 370. Non State actors have been removed. Yes, conventional military is fair play. If you think you can get anything from India using conventional forces, do give it a try.

Our poor economy is the main reason you are jumping from the seat. Had we be a strong economy, we could had put you on backfoot like we did on 1990s(including 1999) and 2001-2002 Operation Parakaram

And for non state actors dude you cowards tried hard to get Pakistan Black listed bcz you were afraid of "Pakistani Backed NTAs" otherwise if FATF wouldn't had happened Pulvama and Mumbai would had continued plus you guys witnessing 27 Feb Humiliation more often

Read some real history. Your PM went in 1999 to Clinton asking for an exit. Your FM came to India before that seeking a meeting to stop Kargil War. But continue believing in your stories.

The rest of the world doesn't agree with what you said. Everyone was expecting that India is big and will create a difference between conventional capabilities so big that Pakistan wont be able to retaliate in the same terms. But it didn't happened. The world was expecting Pakistan to make racket and then get used to it. But nothing happened. Now tell me is IAF as of today will again fight a skirmish knowing that they are at a disadvantage???

BTW we haven't been lost in Nehru Gandhi India, for us India is India irrespective of whom its governed by. Previous ones didn't tried to do this because they thought that they weren't ready. Current one thought that he is and he tried to do it.

This is not 1940. If there is a conventional war, it is to score minor victories, not capture entire nations. Yes, IAF will happily fight the PAF. You know what our narrative is. We bombed Pak without Pak intervening and when Pak came to bomb us, India pilots crossed the LoC in retaliation and lost a plane. Your narrative is something else - that you gave a quick reply and strategically bombed India depots across the LoC and took down 2 planes. We will obviously like to believe our own narratives. It doesn't really change much for each other.

On the flip side, the retaliation from PAF exposed India's BVR handicap for everyone to see. This would make GOI to think twice before employing IAF to attack Pakistan in near future (at least for 2 or 3 years). Pakistan's political leadership on the other hand has clearly witnessed the edge that PAF commands in BVR arena. This would embolden them with confidence to handle future encounters that stop short of an all out war.

The incompetence of IAF to keep technical parity with PAF has screwed India big time.

For Modi to cling to power everything and everyone is expendable. Remember the Indian helicopter shot down in friendly fire. That to me was the bigger problem. Abhinandan did his job. The moron who shot down the Indian helicopter did not. But somehow Modi managed to keep the friendly fire bit under wraps during the election.

Lolz... we attacked india .. took ur 2 jets ... captured ur pilots and u r claiming Pakistan cannot India ... what stuff are u smoking man

Lol. "Pilots". Have you found the second one. Oh wait. He is Israeli.

Your words would have mattered if there won't have been any response on 27th Feb,but we all know what happened that day.It also tells that Pakistan would retaliate no matter how much Bharatis are going to chest thump.

If you look at my post on Feb 26, I had posted that Pak will retaliate. It had to. Every country has a domestic audience. I don't care for Modi - Infact I'd be happy if he loses the next election. My only point is the removal of non state actors. Of course conventional forces will reply to each other - they probably shooting at each other on the LoC today too. And that's fine with India - it is happy to play the game.

PAF air strike inside India, shot down 2 Fighters and indirectly caused IAF to lose a chopper with 6 lives lost and almost daily cross fire along LOC is not an attack on India's regular armed forces?
You must be high on cow urine when you wrote that right??

You do understand the difference between cross border firing and launching an actual attack?

 

[PradoTLC]

Other than usual propaganda the factual mistake by the author is about the no. of destroyers of Indian Navy, surely tells you about the research the author has done other numbers are also going south but even a amateur knows that.

it simple... Pakistan sucker punched India... and handed it;s arse on plate.

In the air - you lost 2 front line jets and one helo
In air commerce your airlines nearly went bankrupt
for 3 months PAF fighter aggressively patrolled international boundary with IAF refusing to come out and play. Sonic booms all the way!..
got a thorough bashing on the LOC with BAT in full swing as air battle raged over head.
lost 44 men to one Kashmiri freedom fighters
Lost credibility in the eyes of west, for lying about the strike and F-16 bogus stories.

you think the above is propaganda?.. really .....so why is your military so quiet

 

[Ultima Thule]

you are not that clear what exactly you want to say?

AND YOU'RE VERY CLEAR FOR TROLL, RANTS, WHOLE WORLD LAUGHING AT YOU FOR YOUR RIDICULOUS CLAIMS OF KILLING 300 SO CALLED TERRORISTS AND SHOT DOWN OUR F-16, NOW THAT'S CLEAR, YOU TROLL

 

[Ali_Baba]

If any one should get credit for avoiding Indo Pak war last year, then give credit to Saudi Arab and UAE....1st time they played significant role in making a deal of peace last year..

How do the Saudi's or UAE get any credit for anything??? What did they do?? Why do you find it difficult to accept, acknowledge that the armed forces of Pakistan deterred India and caused their dhotis to get sooo stained, they will never wash out ?????

At this point in time, I do think that the Pakistani establishment do not trust either Saudia Arabia or UAE following recent announcements and luke warm(and getting colder) support of Pakistans interests.

 

[Wood]

And that's precisely why there have been no more major attacks in India and even Imran Khan told the likes of LeT and JeM not to intervene in Kashmir after India abrogated Article 370. Non State actors have been removed. Yes, conventional military is fair play. If you think you can get anything from India using conventional forces, do give it a try.

The Indian retaliation for the attack could actually be seen as a win for the hawks within Pakistan’s establishment and militant organizations that want a full scale confrontation with India. Perhaps the actions of FATF combined with the draconian security measures in Kashmir are the significant reasons for a lull in attacks. If and when Pakistan manages to find its way out of FATF, we will see if this relative peace is sustainable.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

And that's precisely why there have been no more major attacks in India and even Imran Khan told the likes of LeT and JeM not to intervene in Kashmir after India abrogated Article 370. Non State actors have been removed. Yes, conventional military is fair play. If you think you can get anything from India using conventional forces, do give it a try.

so India lost 2 fighter jets 1 pilot captured (international embarrassment), 1 mi-17 lost with 6 IAF crew killed and PAF intrusion which dropped weapons near by Indian military all this so India could prove a point to Pakistan that hey if you attack us we will get shot down again?
yah pakistan was really scared.........
You can thank Indian government for stopping false flag operations on its own people to blame Pakistan.

Read some real history. Your PM went in 1999 to Clinton asking for an exit. Your FM came to India before that seeking a meeting to stop Kargil War. But continue believing in your stories.

The reason why Nawaz ran to america was to STOP american intervention in Kargil because they were siding with India!

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/orde...1999-kargil-conflict-redefined-us-india-ties/
When the U.S. determined that Pakistan had deliberately violated the Line of Control near Kargil, Clinton did not hesitate to blame Pakistan for risking a broader war. For the first time, an American administration was siding publicly with India against Pakistani aggression. The Pakistani generals who had planned the Kargil incursion, led by Pervez Musharraf, had badly misread the likely American reaction.

In India its a common practice to believe in myths but outside your imagination in real world it does not work that way.

This is not 1940. If there is a conventional war, it is to score minor victories, not capture entire nations. Yes, IAF will happily fight the PAF. You know what our narrative is. We bombed Pak without Pak intervening and when Pak came to bomb us, India pilots crossed the LoC in retaliation and lost a plane. Your narrative is something else - that you gave a quick reply and strategically bombed India depots across the LoC and took down 2 planes. We will obviously like to believe our own narratives. It doesn't really change much for each other.

More like indiot pathological liar imagination..... no other country has supported Indian narrative.. EVEN russians have refused to believe in Indiots.

For Modi to cling to power everything and everyone is expendable. Remember the Indian helicopter shot down in friendly fire. That to me was the bigger problem. Abhinandan did his job. The moron who shot down the Indian helicopter did not. But somehow Modi managed to keep the friendly fire bit under wraps during the election.

No indiot... Abhi was set up in a perfect air ambush because Pakistan wanted to parade Indian pilot in front of the world with beautiful coordination with ground forces they were able to shot him down over Pak army units so he could be captured. How about your other SU-30 and Mirage pilots... were they not "moron" for running away like cowards while PAF mirages and JF_17 were bombing indian sovereignty???

You do understand the difference between cross border firing and launching an actual attack?

Indiot you said Pakistan can not attack Indian regular forces in conventional war and cross border is conventional war. And Pakistan did launch a successful counter strike on indian sovereignty which resulted in 2 IAF fighters lost 1 mi lost with 6 crew dead and international embarrassment for India because they did not retaliate because of fear of Pak's counter strike

 

[HariSinghNalwa]

it simple... Pakistan sucker punched India... and handed it;s arse on plate.

In the air - you lost 2 front line jets and one helo
In air commerce your airlines nearly went bankrupt
for 3 months PAF fighter aggressively patrolled international boundary with IAF refusing to come out and play. Sonic booms all the way!..
got a thorough bashing on the LOC with BAT in full swing as air battle raged over head.
lost 44 men to one Kashmiri freedom fighters
Lost credibility in the eyes of west, for lying about the strike and F-16 bogus stories.

you think the above is propaganda?.. really .....so why is your military so quiet

Why momeen so triggered,I just pointed out factual error

 

[Jackdaws]

so India lost 2 fighter jets 1 pilot captured (international embarrassment), 1 mi-17 lost with 6 IAF crew killed and PAF intrusion which dropped weapons near by Indian military all this so India could prove a point to Pakistan that hey if you attack us we will get shot down again?
yah pakistan was really scared.........
You can thank Indian government for stopping false flag operations on its own people to blame Pakistan.



The reason why Nawaz ran to america was to STOP american intervention in Kargil because they were siding with India!

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/orde...1999-kargil-conflict-redefined-us-india-ties/
When the U.S. determined that Pakistan had deliberately violated the Line of Control near Kargil, Clinton did not hesitate to blame Pakistan for risking a broader war. For the first time, an American administration was siding publicly with India against Pakistani aggression. The Pakistani generals who had planned the Kargil incursion, led by Pervez Musharraf, had badly misread the likely American reaction.

In India its a common practice to believe in myths but outside your imagination in real world it does not work that way.



More like indiot pathological liar imagination..... no other country has supported Indian narrative.. EVEN russians have refused to believe in Indiots.


No indiot... Abhi was set up in a perfect air ambush because Pakistan wanted to parade Indian pilot in front of the world with beautiful coordination with ground forces they were able to shot him down over Pak army units so he could be captured. How about your other SU-30 and Mirage pilots... were they not "moron" for running away like cowards while PAF mirages and JF_17 were bombing indian sovereignty???


Indiot you said Pakistan can not attack Indian regular forces in conventional war and cross border is conventional war. And Pakistan did launch a successful counter strike on indian sovereignty which resulted in 2 IAF fighters lost 1 mi lost with 6 crew dead and international embarrassment for India because they did not retaliate because of fear of Pak's counter strike

Of course they were siding with India. The whole world was. Point was if you had it in you, you would have continued to fight than to run to America for an exit.

The Indian retaliation for the attack could actually be seen as a win for the hawks within Pakistan’s establishment and militant organizations that want a full scale confrontation with India. Perhaps the actions of FATF combined with the draconian security measures in Kashmir are the significant reasons for a lull in attacks. If and when Pakistan manages to find its way out of FATF, we will see if this relative peace is sustainable.

Let's see.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Of course they were siding with India. The whole world was. Point was if you had it in you, you would have continued to fight than to run to America for an exit.

The whole world wanted pakistan to retreat back to its original position... this factor is in India's favor not Pakistan. So the reason why Pakistan retreated was because of American pressure on Pakistan and supported India.
is this too hard for your cow dung brain to comprehend? Or you still stuck with your mythical propaganda?