Arms cache recovered from Karachi madrassa

[SekrutYakhni]

Islam = Religion of Peace. And yet, madrassas are very often also arms caches. Hummmmm. Is it possible that the "Ground Zero Mosque" would also be place where militants cached their arms? RoP = Islam = RoP. Something fishy going on .......

Are not we such a lay man? Bible has the verses of terror and humiliating the non believers just like Quran, admit it. You want me to quote it?
Bible has the verses of spreading peace just like Quran.

Anyways, there is a difference between a religion and followers. Religions which includes Bible asked people not to commit adultery yet they do. So, who is wrong? Bible or the follower? Holy Quran talks about killing non muslims but SCUM MULLAHS AND the people of outer world misinterpret it without looking the historical context of it.
If I were the scum mullah, I could take 100 guns to Madrassa--Does it mean that Islam taught us to kill others? Ohh yeah, I can back it up from different Islamic sources! Can that sources be justified?

You know, Bible changed over time and so did Quran (which Muslims are reluctant to admit) along with other Holy Scriptures. Abraham is common in our religion and so are other things. Still, we manage to exploit differences among us--that includes scum mullahs and people of your side--Everyone is evil in this game--No less, no more---

People deviate religion to their own benefit. Horses are halal in Central Asian states but not in Middle East. Why? This only leads to a one fact--Culture had an influence on religion and vice versa.

Madrassa can have political motives but does it mean that Islam is evil?

Holy Books are not evil, the followers are. Our religion talks about Virgin Mary and Jesus--There is a difference--Yeah, but isn't it enough to explore common good?

The only point here is----Muslims are evil? Islam is not---Islam is evil---There would not be any peaceful Muslims than OR you could see mass conversion in today's world---Christians are evil---Bible is not---

Books change over time and so do people.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

honour killings, injustice etc were part of Arabian society before Islam came in. Islam actually condemns honour killing and injustice!

Now, you can see Muslims committing horrendous crimes in the name of Islam--Why---Honour killing is a part of culture--tribes---etc---

Honour killing was never promoted by the Prophet---How did it enter our religion--Culture influence?----

You know, Christians and Muslims believe that Jesus will come one day and will do--whatever your religion says---Is that true?--Will he come back?---A riddle?---Maybe yes--Maybe not---

People at that time (if they will know our view point) will laugh at us on this issue--Jesus never came---Then who told us that he'd come back to save us--Religion?---People?--Both--who?


Anyways, try to see people from a different side. Yes, some Muslims are terrorists and claim themselves to be righteous--quote Quran--people--Wait, lets go back the ground zero--Lets read history of Islam--You will know---

 

[hammyy2k]

Hang them before the mysteriously escape auction the house and destroy the mad -rassa.

what about ahmedinijad?? shia bhai

 

[SekrutYakhni]

how come this "peaceful" religion with "peaceful followers" allow this? am sure lots of people go to this madrassa.. how come this was caught now? dont you think it is time to introspect?

maybe you should have a center to monitor these madrassas and what they teach.. why dont you guys just take stringent actions against these people?? exemplary punishment.. anyone?

Naive, is not it? Yeah, Prophet Muhammad (PIUH) and Allah will come to the world to assure that Islam is peaceful. Hitler killed people--Was he influenced by religion?--Political motives?---Racial slur---dominance?---

How can you correlate religion with followers (to an extent) after 1400 years? Time changed, people changed--views changed--ideology changed--

Islam is not evil, followers are!
Bible is not evil, followers are!

Moreover, why did God send four different books to educate people? He could have rested--Why did He send than---At least, I believe that the books came from the same God---Things to think upon--How could we live if we followed same religion--Take European sect wars into account---Are we on the same page?

Why did he even create human beings? No, evolution did---Who was the man behind evolutionary gun? Nature---who---
Why did He create us? Another topic for some other day..

 

[forcetrip]

Islam = Religion of Peace. And yet, madrassas are very often also arms caches. Hummmmm. Is it possible that the "Ground Zero Mosque" would also be place where militants cached their arms? RoP = Islam = RoP. Something fishy going on .......

You are mixing uneducated and ignorant religious followers and branding them with some others who are trying to bring order. I will agree the quantity of the ignorant seems to keep getting bigger among the muslims, but with your comment I brand you as no better than storing hate ideals for the good productive muslim trying to save his religion and community.

 

[Sliver]

Naive, is not it? Yeah, Prophet Muhammad (PIUH) and Allah will come to the world to assure that Islam is peaceful. Hitler killed people--Was he influenced by religion?--Political motives?---Racial slur---dominance?---

it is NOT naive. the madrassa is a teaching institute of the Islamic faith and for all the places, it should be the most noble place! get the drift? if the institute of teaching itself propagates terror and armed conflict, where is the future of ur religion?

How can you correlate religion with followers (to an extent) after 1400 years? Time changed, people changed--views changed--ideology changed--

then can you please kill the teacher and close the madrassa? can you guarantee that all madrassas will be under a watch from now on? can you allow us to inspect them at random to see nothing fishy like this will happen? this is not the first time this has happened? how many will you condone? how many excuses?

Islam is not evil, followers are!
Bible is not evil, followers are!

i dont give a ----. as long as something serious like this happening, its time to take corrective measures. put some checking mechanism in each of the madrassa. allow neutral inspectors to watch them random and make sure every guilty actor is punished with exemplary punishment.

Moreover, why did God send four different books to educate people? He could have rested--Why did He send than---At least, I believe that the books came from the same God---Things to think upon--How could we live if we followed same religion--Take European sect wars into account---Are we on the same page?

Why did he even create human beings? No, evolution did---Who was the man behind evolutionary gun? Nature---who---
Why did He create us? Another topic for some other day..

[/QUOTE]

dont go off in tangents. a Madrassa - a teaching institute for Islam - has a cache of arms. Islam is a peaceful religion. Surely the teachers would know that! else why is that place called a madrassa? just tell me what are the counter measures you are taking to make sure this does not happen. are you taking any? do you check your madrassa or mosque you go to?

 

[seekers]

Eventually Authorities realize the fact that the root cause of terrorism in Pakistan are wahabi/deobandi madresass.This is just a initial work its need a very long way to fix this problem.
More horrible realities are going to unveil in this operation.This is not easy task to get action against saudi paid madressas, anyway Authorities learn that their is no other solution.

 

[Icarus]

it is NOT naive. the madrassa is a teaching institute of the Islamic faith and for all the places, it should be the most noble place! get the drift? if the institute of teaching itself propagates terror and armed conflict, where is the future of ur religion?

It was a façade, there are numerous Madrassahs that are disguised as madrassahs but are in reality terrorist training and recruitment centres. We condemn this MORE than you do since it is happening in our country and to some degree it was OUR(US+Pakistan) policy of glorifying those who fought Soviets a s Mujahideen that's killing us now. We MADE the holy war, which in reality is anything but ! But that does not mean that all Madrassahs are teaching this rubbish. There are many madrassahs that are quite popular for example Maulana Naeemi's madrassah was Suicide bombed last year because he openly condemned militancy and refused to acknowledge the Taliban as the "Muslim Army".

then can you please kill the teacher and close the madrassa? can you guarantee that all madrassas will be under a watch from now on? can you allow us to inspect them at random to see nothing fishy like this will happen? this is not the first time this has happened? how many will you condone? how many excuses?

A programme is under way to register all madrassahs and chalk out a centralized, state sponsored course to be taught in these madrassahs, registration is already under way and it will take some time since huge registrations like these cannot be completed in a matter of days.

i dont give a ----. as long as something serious like this happening, its time to take corrective measures. put some checking mechanism in each of the madrassa. allow neutral inspectors to watch them random and make sure every guilty actor is punished with exemplary punishment.

Don't get too jumpy there, there are probably many more madrassahs stashing arms but we will get to them sooner or later, as for the punishment, well, that's the judges job no matter how much you and I jump, beg, plea or shout, the judge will pass his verdict as he sees fit.

dont go off in tangents. a Madrassa - a teaching institute for Islam - has a cache of arms. Islam is a peaceful religion. Surely the teachers would know that! else why is that place called a madrassa? just tell me what are the counter measures you are taking to make sure this does not happen. are you taking any? do you check your madrassa or mosque you go to?

One madrassah is not a representation of the faith as a whole. If you want an example, take an everyday muslim, someone living near you. He will go to work, pray, spend time with his family, meet with friends, fast, avoid eating forbidden meat, stay away from wines and spirits, treat women with respect, he will respect his elders and love those younger.
That's pretty much it....................he won't blow up in buildings, neither will he crash planes.

 

[forcetrip]

The state has its hands full. If we wait on them then all is lost. We cannot even count on the army "if" they get back into power to solve this overnight. The politics in these sponsored madrasahs is overwhelming. The only way is to head neighborhood committees to monitor a state sponsored syllabus to these places. This is conducted in my neighborhood by like minded citizens with my full support. We have a lot of problems even in the community by outside forces who do not debate their problems. All this happens in one neighborhood with adequate resources. Just think what people without the will to improve or the resources have to face.

 

[Durrak]

@aisha khanzada
Most of the madaris are against women using the internet. So please be first to support your favoured people

Mr.I am in favor of madaris which can help in social betterment not in favor of so called molvis............

 

[TechLahore]

Islam = Religion of Peace. And yet, madrassas are very often also arms caches. Hummmmm. Is it possible that the "Ground Zero Mosque" would also be place where militants cached their arms? RoP = Islam = RoP. Something fishy going on .......

I hate right-wing loons, whether they are muslim or christian. But your argument above is ludicrous.

Haven't buildings used by many Christian cults also been found with large arms caches? David Koresh's Branch Dravidians come to mind, as does the not-too-distant episode of the Yearning for Zion Ranch where young girls were forced into sexual slavery by Fundamentalist Christians and the FBI had to engage in a multi-day standoff with heavily armed nutcases...

(ABCNewsstore.com: NIGHTLINE: Inside the Polygamist Ranch/VA Tech Students Lobby to Carry Guns/The Singing CPA: 4/15/08)

Because of episodes like the above, perhaps Churches should be removed from every site where avowed Christians have engaged in violence.

Casting stones whilst living in glass houses is not an advisable strategy.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

Islam = Religion of Peace. And yet, madrassas are very often also arms caches. Hummmmm. Is it possible that the "Ground Zero Mosque" would also be place where militants cached their arms? RoP = Islam = RoP. Something fishy going on .......

Imagination has no bounds and specially if ones living under fear ...!!!!

 

[somebozo]

I would indiscriminately bombs these places of evil with their followed inthem so they are all buried in a mass grave of rubble.

 

[Lonewolf1453]

Islam = Religion of Peace. And yet, madrassas are very often also arms caches. Hummmmm. Is it possible that the "Ground Zero Mosque" would also be place where militants cached their arms? RoP = Islam = RoP. Something fishy going on .......

Well i think your getting abit stereotypical here, you have to understand that these type of madrassa's are run by certain type of people whos thing is quiet extreme such as deobandi/ wahabi, i think one of the user in this forum adressed that but if you look at the sunni brelvi madrassa's theres no sign of any militancy as they have a sufi inclination and do not believe in violence nor think of keeping arms cache in mosques or madrasa's.

 

[somebozo]

Eventually Authorities realize the fact that the root cause of terrorism in Pakistan are wahabi/deobandi madresass.This is just a initial work its need a very long way to fix this problem.
More horrible realities are going to unveil in this operation.This is not easy task to get action against saudi paid madressas, anyway Authorities learn that their is no other solution.

Finally someone who is waking up to arab imperialism / terrorism which is breaking our back. Todays islamism headed by arabis is nothing to be called "islam" it is rather "Mohammianism" which relies on imaginary heroification of islamic wars, importance of jihad and never ending tales of "invented" sunnah. When ever the wahabis wants to prove something, the magically discover a sunnah hidden deep somewhere in the books. The cult has gone so far that something was proved which outright conflicted with Islam.

I hope you have heard about some ridicolus ahadis and fatwas coming from arabian peninsula.