Armenians kill five Azeri soldiers

[Ir.Tab.]

My dear what do you mean by "Turkificated Iranians", Who did that?

 

[ASQ-1918]

You're not from Turkish race, but from foolish race. Why don't you understand that Azeri's in Iran are Turkificated Iranians? They only speak a Turkic language.

You yourself admit that even Turkic states adopted some of Iranian culture, and used Persian langauge.

So how did this "Turkification" happen? Because it should be otherwise, how could they "Turkify" others while themselves being strongly influenced from other cultures? Seljuq state langauge was Persian for instance, so how could you come up with such a luaghable claim.

 

[Surenas]

Novruz are celebrated by all Turkic nations, even by Tatars, it is more of a Turkic tradition than Iranian. It is celebrated as start of spring.

Nowruz is a Persian (Iranian) tradition celebrated by Iranians in the ancient Persian empire even before the world knew the Turks existed. The festival just spread to Turkic people because of the Iranian influence in those regions. Even today, the festival is celebrated more by Iranian people (Persians, Kurds and Tajiks) than Turkic people.

Nizami Ganjavi (from city of Ganja in western Azerbaijan) was Iranian? Since when? He was born, lived, worked and died under state of Atabegs of Azerbaijan.

Nizami was born in Greater Iran (Azerbaijan didn't even existed) and wrote most of his poems in Persian. Even historians (like De Blois) acknowledge that Ganja at that time was populated by Iranians, not by Turks. The region is historically part of the Iranian empire and so culturally, ethnically and historically been Iranian. Not Turkic.

In his poems, he actually has references to Turks, which can actually mean that he was a Turk himself.

Haha, funny logic. He refers mostly to Persians, so according to your logic he's Iranian then?

 

[ASQ-1918]

Nizami;

Tacı aydan yüksək o Qızıl Arslan
Qərbin pənahıdır. Şərqə hökmran.

Hes throne is higher than moon, hes Qizil Arslan
Hope of West, ruler of East.

Qizil Arslan, Great Atabeg, Sultan of Azerbaijan.

You talk about Nizami Ganjavi without even knowing a schye about him and his works.

 

[Surenas]

You yourself admit that even Turkic states adopted some of Iranian culture, and used Persian langauge.

So how did this "Turkification" happen? Because it should be otherwise, how could they "Turkify" others while themselves being strongly influenced from other cultures? Seljuq state langauge was Persian for instance, so how could you come up with such a luaghable claim.

Origin of the Azerbaijanis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ASQ-1918]

Nowruz is a Persian (Iranian) tradition celebrated by Iranians in the ancient Persian empire even before the world knew the Turks existed. The festival just spread to Turkic people because of the Iranian influence in those regions. Even today, the festival is celebrated more by Iranian people (Persians, Kurds and Tajiks) than Turkic people.



Nizami was born in Greater Iran (Azerbaijan didn't even existed) and wrote most of his poems in Persian. Even historians (like De Blois) acknowledge that Ganja at that time was populated by Iranians, not by Turks. The region is historically part of the Iranian empire and so culturally, ethnically and historically been Iranian. Not Turkic.



Haha, funny logic. He refers mostly to Persians, so according to your logic he's Iranian then?

It is celebrated in Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Tatars etc...So are you sure?

Dude, learn some history, retard...

Eldiguzids (Atabegs of Azerbaijan) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[NeutralCitizen]

Azerbaijan is headed for a massive beat down again the first defeat with the aid of Chechens and afghans wasn't enough Aliev is headed for another loss Both Russia and Iran will ensure Armenia wins again another war will hurt Azerbaijan more then Armenia.

Russia Hints At Intervention in Armenia-Azerbaijan Conflict | EurasiaNet.org

 

[ASQ-1918]

Origin of the Azerbaijanis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yeah right, do you have anything better?

Azeri Turks are from different Turkoman tribes, I'm myself from Qaradaghlu clan. Azeri Turks around Urmiya are Afshars, around Ardabil are Shahsevens etc...

 

[Surenas]

Nizami;

Tacı aydan yüksək o Qızıl Arslan
Qərbin pənahıdır. Şərqə hökmran.

Hes throne is higher than moon, hes Qizil Arslan
Hope of West, ruler of East.

Qizil Arslan, Great Atabeg, Sultan of Azerbaijan.

You talk about Nizami Ganjavi without even knowing a schye about him and his works.

Turkish fool, we Iranians grow up with poetry. You want to talk with me on poetry? Funny.

It is clearly evident that in terms of cultural orientation, cultural background, legacy, myth, folklore and language, Nizami Ganjavi is part of Iranian civilization and a prominent of Persian cultural history. Thus attempted political annexation of Nizami Ganjavi from Iranian civilization and attribution of Nizami Ganjavi towards Turkic civilization will simply bear no fruit in the long run (since he does not even have a single verse in any other language than Persian) and is a futile political effort which was taken up by USSR for nation-building process and is continued today for unscientific reasons of ethnic nationalism. Nizami Ganjavi survives through more than 30000+ Persian verses and his background is well known to be at least half Iranic and we will show in this article that it was full Iranic. There is nothing to support a Turkic background for Nizami Ganjavi‘s father, who Nizami was orphaned from in an early age and was raised by his Kurdish maternal uncle Khwaja Umar.

http://azargoshnasp.net/Pasokhbehanirani/NizamiPoliticizationUSSR.pdf

 

[Ir.Tab.]

Not only Azerbaijan, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Armenia, Iraq and ... were parts of a united Territory in history. I do not think we can claim them now.

 

[Surenas]

It is celebrated in Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Tatars etc...So are you sure?

Dude, learn some history, retard...

Eldiguzids (Atabegs of Azerbaijan) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yeah, all the countries who historically been part of the Persian empire. Great Iranian influence, isn't it?

The celebration has its roots in Ancient Iran. Due to its antiquity, there exist various foundation myths for Nowruz in Iranian mythology. In the Zoroastrian tradition, the seven most important Zoroastrian festivals are the six Gahambars and Nowruz, which occurs at the spring equinox. According to Mary Boyce,[22]

“ It seems a reasonable surmise that Nowruz, the holiest of them all, with deep doctrinal significance, was founded by Zoroaster himself. ”

Between sunset of the day of the 6th Gahanbar and sunrise of Nowruz was celebrated Hamaspathmaedaya (later known, in its extended form, as Frawardinegan). This and the Gahanbar are the only festivals named in the surviving text of the Avesta.

The Shahnameh, dates Nowruz as far back to the reign of Jamshid, who in Zoroastrian texts saved mankind from a killer winter that was destined to kill every living creature.[23] The mythical Persian King Jamshid (Yima or Yama of the Indo-Iranian lore) perhaps symbolizes the transition of the Indo-Iranians from animal hunting to animal husbandry and a more settled life in human history. In the Shahnameh and Iranian mythology, he is credited with the foundation of Nowruz. In the Shahnama, Jamshid constructed a throne studded with gems. He had demons raise him above the earth into the heavens; there he sat on his throne like the sun shining in the sky. The world's creatures gathered in wonder about him and scattered jewels around him, and called this day the New Day or No/Now-Ruz. This was the first day of the month of Farvardin (the first month of the Persian calendar).[24]

The Persian scholar Abu Rayhan Biruni of the 10th century AD, in his Persian work "Kitab al-Tafhim li Awa'il Sina'at al-Tanjim" provides a description of the calendar of various nations. Besides the Persian calendar, various festivals of Arabs, Jews, Sabians, Greeks and other nations are mentioned in this book. In the section on the Persian calendar (Persian: تقویم پارسیان&#8206, he mentions Nowruz, Sadeh, Tiregan, Mehregan, the six Gahanbar, Parvardegaan, Bahmanja, Isfandarmazh and several other festivals. According to him: It is the belief of the Persians that Nowruz marks the first day when the universe started its motion.[25] The Persian historian Abu Saʿīd Gardēzī[26] in his work titled Zayn al-Akhbār under the section of the Zoroastrians festivals mentions Nowruz (among other festivals) and specifically points out that Zoroaster highly emphasized the celebration of Nowruz and Mehregan.[27]

Nowruz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Targon]

That is a natural process, in the whole f.cking word nations united, abosrbed, mixed with each other, its not mean current identity is false, Azeris are historically Turks, its not a modern invention.

And please just answer why is it concerns you ?

Neutral Ciziten

Azerbaijani and Armenian military have a massive difference right know, in the past their military was close.

 

[Surenas]

Not only Azerbaijan, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Armenia, Iraq and ... were parts of a united Territory in history. I do not think we can claim them now.

Yes, we can.

 

[ASQ-1918]

You moron, he worked under state of Atabegs of Azerbaijan, and also wrote a divan to Qizil Arslan, Sultan of Azerbaijan.

King Qizil Arslan Welcomes the Poet Nizami

King Qizil Arslan Welcomes the Poet Nizami · The Walters Art Museum · Works of Art

In other poems he also mentions Qizil Arslan.

In his poem "Sevgili Canan" (translated)

"Gəl söylə, cavabın nə olar, sorğu zamanı, Əhvalımı səndən soruşarsa Qızıl Arslan"

 

[Surenas]

Yeah right, do you have anything better?

Azeri Turks are from different Turkoman tribes, I'm myself from Qaradaghlu clan. Azeri Turks around Urmiya are Afshars, around Ardabil are Shahsevens etc...

They are turkificated. All genetic researches shows they are closer to Iranians.