Arjun News & Discussions

[p2prada]

SALAM,
i would like 2 ask a Ques that why don't tey stop Arjun project and even sell it 2 some oter manufature's so tat they could gain money that could be invested in some other TANKS like T-90's, T-95's and Challenger-II's(try fit wit some of their own system if competitive and reliable HAHAHAHA )and also concentrate on their license product , make it quality product so that the previous problems that occur with T-90's as well as T-72's upgrade won't come.Think before answerin especially Indians ok don't say it is not failed accept it and don't say no problem and no Hazitation and foreign readers u should try 2 carve my post 2 explain wat am i tryin 2 say i think those who r experience may tell it rightly ok

Then we would lose out on our path to indeginization.

 

[p2prada]

Isn't the T-90 more superior than the Arjun?. If that is the case then India should forget the Arjun and the associated problems and get more T-90s.

Sorry pal. Arjun is better.

T-90s couldn't scratch ARJUN at point blank range using HEAT shells.
ARJUN does better in the desert too.

It is like the difference between Tiger tank and Sherman during WW2.

T-90s is simply cheaper.

 

[p2prada]

Post 335: A former member of OF

Post 336: Prasun Sengupta

Post 337: Ajai Shukla


Each of these ignore the fact that Arjun costs a bomb to induct, and a nuke to operate and maintain.

Exactly my point. Thank you.

I can only afford a Maruti not a BMW.

 

[nitesh]

Post 335: A former member of OF

Post 336: Prasun Sengupta

Post 337: Ajai Shukla


Each of these ignore the fact that Arjun costs a bomb to induct, and a nuke to operate and maintain.

Now this one, so why the hell this sort of GSQR was put in place?
So again you are trying to say that let the total money go out?

 

[p2prada]

This is the lamest excuse to not buy any machinery.

Nitesh you still dont understand the difference between maintaining a heavy tank and a medium tank. The differences are simply staggering.

Why do you think a nation like China which has a military GDP close to 5 times that of India still manage to induct only around 300 Type-99s.

Look at Russia. They were not rich enough like the US to induct heavy MBTs like the M1 Abrams. So they stuck to T-72, T-80 and now the T-90 which are all medium tanks.

India is in the same boat as russia and china. We cannot afford military hardware like the US can.

 

[nitesh]

Nitesh you still dont understand the difference between maintaining a heavy tank and a medium tank. The differences are simply staggering.

Why do you think a nation like China which has a military GDP close to 5 times that of India still manage to induct only around 300 Type-99s.

Look at Russia. They were not rich enough like the US to induct heavy MBTs like the M1 Abrams. So they stuck to T-72, T-80 and now the T-90 which are all medium tanks.

India is in the same boat as russia and china. We cannot afford military hardware like the US can.

Then why the GSQR was put for such a machinery in first place, oh hold one one more twist now:

Printarticle-DNA E-Paper - Daily News & Analysis -Mumbai,India

Army gives Israeli twist to Arjun tale

Wants machinery to be improved as suggested by Israel Military Industries

Josy Joseph. New Delhi

The army has added a few new twists, including an Israeli factor, to the ongoing Arjun tank saga, by agreeing to hold comparative trials between the indigenous tank and T-90 and T-72 tanks bought from Russia.
According to authoritative sources, army chief Gen Deepak Kapoor has written to defence minister AK Antony agreeing to hold the comparative trials, but it has put down several conditions for accepting the 124 Arjun tanks ordered earlier. This is the latest twist in the story of the indigenous Arjun tank, which has been under trial for 14 years now.
For the first 62 tanks, the army chief suggested several corrections based on the findings of the army team, which carried out exhaustive field trials of the tank. But what has added a new twist is the army demand that the second batch of 62 tanks be improved according to the standards laid down by the Israel Military Industries (IMI).
DRDO had called in IMI last year to assist it in design improvement and production engineering. But the IMI suggestions have become a fresh albatross around the research agencys neck, as it struggles to get the army to accept the Arjun.
The appointment of IMI as a consultant was surprising for many, but now the army has seized on the DRDO move. The army demand could further delay induction of the entire 124 tanks. “All the 124 hulls are ready. We dont know how we can now carry out major changes,” says a source involved in the Arjun project.
Ministry sources say they are looking at “getting at least 14 of them ready by February so that they can take part in summer trials alongside the T-90s and T-72s.” The army had for a long time resisted carrying out any comparative trials, but the army chief has now agreed to such trials.
Sources said the army chief has said the first 62 would be accepted with improved firing accuracy, better transmission system and some other minor changes. The transmission system, supplied by a German firm, would need some hardware improvement besides the software improvement carried out recently.
j_josy@dnaindia.net

 

[vish]

Now this one, so why the hell this sort of GSQR was put in place?

Didn't Ajai Shukla himself concede that the GSQRs were formulated by DRDO scientists themselves?

So again you are trying to say that let the total money go out?

Yes, because we do not have a choice. What we can do is minimize the outflow of money via ToT and import substitution (as and when plausible).

 

[vish]

Then why the GSQR was put for such a machinery in first place, oh hold one one more twist now:

Printarticle-DNA E-Paper - Daily News & Analysis -Mumbai,India

Army gives Israeli twist to Arjun tale

Wants machinery to be improved as suggested by Israel Military Industries

Josy Joseph. New Delhi

The army has added a few new twists, including an Israeli factor, to the ongoing Arjun tank saga, by agreeing to hold comparative trials between the indigenous tank and T-90 and T-72 tanks bought from Russia.
According to authoritative sources, army chief Gen Deepak Kapoor has written to defence minister AK Antony agreeing to hold the comparative trials, but it has put down several conditions for accepting the 124 Arjun tanks ordered earlier. This is the latest twist in the story of the indigenous Arjun tank, which has been under trial for 14 years now.
For the first 62 tanks, the army chief suggested several corrections based on the findings of the army team, which carried out exhaustive field trials of the tank. But what has added a new twist is the army demand that the second batch of 62 tanks be improved according to the standards laid down by the Israel Military Industries (IMI).
DRDO had called in IMI last year to assist it in design improvement and production engineering. But the IMI suggestions have become a fresh albatross around the research agencys neck, as it struggles to get the army to accept the Arjun.
The appointment of IMI as a consultant was surprising for many, but now the army has seized on the DRDO move. The army demand could further delay induction of the entire 124 tanks. “All the 124 hulls are ready. We dont know how we can now carry out major changes,” says a source involved in the Arjun project.
Ministry sources say they are looking at “getting at least 14 of them ready by February so that they can take part in summer trials alongside the T-90s and T-72s.” The army had for a long time resisted carrying out any comparative trials, but the army chief has now agreed to such trials.
Sources said the army chief has said the first 62 would be accepted with improved firing accuracy, better transmission system and some other minor changes. The transmission system, supplied by a German firm, would need some hardware improvement besides the software improvement carried out recently.
j_josy@dnaindia.net

Read between the lines here...

The IA does not want Arjun because it cannot afford it without skewing up its priorities. Isn't it obvious? Costs matter...

 

[nitesh]

Read between the lines here...

The IA does not want Arjun because it cannot afford it without skewing up its priorities. Isn't it obvious? Costs matter...

Again missing the point why not invest in something homegrown rather then wasting money on a foreign product. (This does not mean completely cut off import this is about accepting a home grown product).

 

[nitesh]

Didn't Ajai Shukla himself concede that the GSQRs were formulated by DRDO scientists themselves?

You are wrong GSQR are done by army.

Yes, because we do not have a choice. What we can do is minimize the outflow of money via ToT and import substitution (as and when plausible).

Import substitution good point how you will achieve it/

 

[vish]

Again missing the point why not invest in something homegrown rather then wasting money on a foreign product. (This does not mean completely cut off import this is about accepting a home grown product).

How does going in for T-90 imply dropping indigenous products entirely? Is Arjun all that there is to indigenous products?

Hasn't the IA inducted INSAS rifles, Pinaka MLRS, Namica, Nag, Dhruv and many other products or components that are not that visible?

 

[vish]

You are wrong GSQR are done by army.

Incorrect. Ajai himself stated on BR that the GSQRs were made by some brainweeds who simply went brochure-shopping in the global MBT market.

Import substitution good point how you will achieve it/

R&D.

 

[nitesh]

How does going in for T-90 imply dropping indigenous products entirely? Is Arjun all that there is to indigenous products?

Hasn't the IA inducted INSAS rifles, Pinaka MLRS, Namica, Nag, Dhruv and many other products or components that are not that visible?

So what is the problem in inducting this product?

 

[nitesh]

Incorrect. Ajai himself stated on BR that the GSQRs were made by some brainweeds who simply went brochure-shopping in the global MBT market.

What is this now? some poster said something in some forum is this your basis of argument? I had given you the link of Mr. Ajai Shukla's blog

R&D.

Why you do R&D? You do it for making a product right. Why you make a product? To induct it and use it, right. Otherwise simply keep buying from outside.

 

[vish]

So what is the problem in inducting this product?

For the zillionth time... the IA is a T-72 type tank force (logistics, doctrine, training, combined operations, finances, etc). Converting it into an Arjun-type tank force is ridiculously expensive.

Hence, Arjun cannot be the backbone of our armored forces even though it is simply a class apart.