Are we the custodians of the Muslim Ummah?

[AUz]

false. pak was created as muslims for whole of indian subcontinent. which is why bangladesh was part of pak. So you are still obliged to take in 180 million muslims from india.

We'll happily take them..just give Punjab, Gujrat, Haryana, prosperous parts of Bihar, Hyderabad and West Bengal under our control..and Bangladesh should rejoin with us too..and we'll have 180 million more Muslims....

Hindus can have rest of india...or you all can convert to Islam and we can live together..

 

[SarthakGanguly]

We'll happily take them..just give Punjab, Gujrat, Haryana, prosperous parts of Bihar, Hyderabad and West Bengal under our control..and Bangladesh should rejoin with us too..and we'll have 180 million more Muslims....

Hindus can have rest of india...or you all can convert to Islam and we can live together..

Historically and legally your statement has no basis. Pakistan was created for Muslims. Period.

But the topic is not that. Please stick to the topic.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Chill dude. The Aryan theory is still in dispute. Just when we thought one is true, something else props up. Dharma has evolved over centuries. But it did not come from anywhere. Animists deep in South India also had Dharmic rituals. It is not a monolithic structure. If you are getting it from Pakistan Studies, then God help you.

Anyway, please stick to the topic folks.

Pakistan Studies does not teach anything about hindu religion(hinduism by defination is not a religion) ,it deals in important topics ... Sorry to disappoint you , but there is no significant dispute over the mentioned points about aryans.. And it has only been suggested that aryans MAY have originated in India and then moved outwards, but this theory has not recieved any notable acceptance among historians

 

[GURU DUTT]

Pakistan Studies does not teach anything about hindu religion(hinduism by defination is not a religion) ,it deals in important topics ... Sorry to disappoint you , but there is no significant dispute over the mentioned points about aryans.. And it has only been suggested that aryans MAY have originated in India and then moved outwards, but this theory has not recieved any notable acceptance among historians

Well Sir do you realli think that the emperialistic minded western historians will ever conceade that aryans were origin of Indian sub continent..no sir they wont cause they formulated these theories to show there so called subjects that the western race is above the indian race in every aspect ...i can understand they did it for purpose but pakistani muslims who still proudli suffix hindu caste names like jat, malik, khokar, rajput rao,sethi want to beleave in that theori ...is that your Ehsaas e kamtari aur salve mindset

 

[Panther 57]

You are missing the point here ... Germans would still be germans without a germany , A japanese would be a japanese even if Japan siezes to exist .,, its because of the ethnicity , language and culture ... But Pakistan is a totally different case ... its neither a ethnic , nor a geo-cultural entity .. It is purely an IDEOLOGICAL state and if you negate its very ideology , then it is practically impossible to hold the country together as common religion is the only binding force between the entirely different ethnic groups of our country .. I agree that secterianism has become a major issue , but what you are suggesting is more like "throwing the sick person out of the house" instead of trying to cure his ailment

Japanese are Japanese till Japan exist after that they will be join the club or yellow race. So is the case with Germans, who will be categorised as Europeans or whichever country they belong to. For that matter any country, not with an intention to troll but for example sake, if India is not there, Indians will either be categorised as South Asians. Two nation theory has been interpreted as per individual desires, base of two nation theory was never an Islamic state. It was a state for Muslims because it was felt that Hindus and Muslims of Subcontinent (India) cannot live together, Muslims felt their rights would be usurped. Therefore, India was divided into Pakistan and Bharat. Later slogan of "Pakistan Ka Matlab Kia" came into existence. Until 1940, efforts were to have united India with equal rights for Hindus and Muslims. Even after that, efforts to keep India continued, which is substantiated by the fact that AIML participated in elections after WWII. However, not being able to reach a common agenda resulted in partition.

It is in the nature of humans to have recognition. Is due to this reason The Divine revealed

O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). Surah al-Hujurat (49:13)

The creator tells the creation what he has instilled in him/her as nature. If you look at the verse it does not address Muslims but addresses Mankind. I would take this as his indication to us that being a nationalist do the righteous thing. He being creator knew what his creation is going to do with the interpretation of Divine Religion, thus, has provided a solution with in his book.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Well Sir do you realli think that the emperialistic minded western historians will ever conceade that aryans were origin of Indian sub continent..no sir they wont cause they formulated these theories to show there so called subjects that the western race is above the indian race in every aspect ...i can understand they did it for purpose but pakistani muslims who still proudli suffix hindu caste names like jat, malik, khokar, rajput rao,sethi want to beleave in that theori ...is that your Ehsaas e kamtari aur salve mindset

Now that is funny !! History is not "how you like it to be" , the aryan theory is not based upon western prejudice towards india ... It has archaeological and lingual basis ... Iran literally means "land of Aryan" , and archaelogical records show that aryan settlements of iran to be older than that of india . Any ways this is a discussion surely not for you . So dont try to make fun of yourself by making such claims ... About the names of castes you mentioned , none is a "ethnic caste"... you seriously are not mature enough to debate on such serious issues

 

[GURU DUTT]

Now that is funny !! History is not "how you like it to be" , the aryan theory is not based upon western prejudice towards india ... It has archaeological and lingual basis ... Iran literally means "land of Aryan" , and archaelogical records show that aryan settlements of iran to be older than that of india . Any ways this is a discussion surely not for you . So dont try to make fun of yourself by making such claims ... About the names of castes you mentioned , none is a "ethnic caste"... you seriously are not mature enough to debate on such serious issues

sir i know what im talking about but the hypocracy of pakistani nation is realli astonishing on one hand they use hindu caste names on the other hand they consider themselfs the decendends of arabs and central asian raiders/loters ..funny isnt it

 

[Biplab Bijay]

extreme nationalism decreases rationalism, and guys be rational instead of being a stupid national, if nationalism become pakistan's base then ethnic nationalism will also rise, a country like pakistan has no need for strict nationalism, we can be better muslims and nationals at the same time

we must think about humanity, pakistyan shares human nature with the world and we should condemn terrorism where ever possible, whether it be american terrorism, or israeli zionist terrorism

One of the best post.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Japanese are Japanese till Japan exist after that they will be join the club or yellow race. So is the case with Germans, who will be categorised as Europeans or whichever country they belong to. For that matter any country, not with an intention to troll but for example sake, if India is not there, Indians will either be categorised as South Asians. Two nation theory has been interpreted as per individual desires, base of two nation theory was never an Islamic state. It was a state for Muslims because it was felt that Hindus and Muslims of Subcontinent (India) cannot live together, Muslims felt their rights would be usurped. Therefore, India was divided into Pakistan and Bharat. Later slogan of "Pakistan Ka Matlab Kia" came into existence. Until 1940, efforts were to have united India with equal rights for Hindus and Muslims. Even after that, efforts to keep India continued, which is substantiated by the fact that AIML participated in elections after WWII. However, not being able to reach a common agenda resulted in partition.

It is in the nature of humans to have recognition. Is due to this reason The Divine revealed



The creator tells the creation what he has instilled in him/her as nature. If you look at the verse it does not address Muslims but addresses Mankind. I would take this as his indication to us that being a nationalist do the righteous thing. He being creator knew what his creation is going to do with the interpretation of Divine Religion, thus, has provided a solution with in his book.

Its highly suggested that before commenting here , you should read the ideas and philosophies of nationalism , Islamic, western and others ... And u r right ,base of two nation theory was never an islamic state !! infact the base of an Islamic state was ONLY &ONLY two nation theory !!! And The verse you quoted in no way explains what you are trying to take out of it . by your explaination , a kaafir can be righteous and close to Allah too(muazallah) ??!!! Only a muslim can be righteous .. and it has been clearly stated at a lot of times in quran .. So please be careful when you interpret Quran using your personal intelligence only ....

 

[Panther 57]

Pakistan was created for the Muslims of North-Western subcontinent....

Pakistan was not created for Muslims of North Western Subcontient. It was created for Muslims of subcontinent. In fact, people from NWS had minimal disturbance in activities related to creation of Pakistan.

 

[Biplab Bijay]

Sir Ummah is the reality and will always will be Muslims brothers according to Quran and Sunnah if you want to check the concept of Ummah just attack Pakistan and hope our leaders declare Jihad and than you will see How much Muslims will come to join us is fight against India

he he he he. Nice.

 

[Panther 57]

@Azlan Haider I will wrap up my conversation with you based on these two points.
1. I am not here to impose my point of view on anyone. I am here to share my point of view. Therefore, a personal derogatory remark is not acceptable. Everyone is a legend in his own mind and a hero on his own stage.
2. I prefer not to indulge in discussion with people who do not respect other.
Ciao.

 

[Biplab Bijay]

1. Every one look for there profit. No one talk about mass.
2. Some Pakistani member said that Pakisatni fought against Israel, If I buy this conspiracy theory, Did they won war for Palestine? No...
3. Apart from Lip service Pakistan has done nothing for palestine. Infact one of your President Butchered 3,400 - 20,000 Palestanian in jordan.
4. One of your ex prez willing to shake hand with Israel.
5. @ kashmir: Kashmir is greedy cause for Pakistan (to control water and get access to china). It has nothing to do with Islam, This is why when your soldiers enter kasmir in 1942 and 1965, kashmiris went against you. Islamic world don't see Kashmir as Islamic cause.
6. Finally, if you form Islamic Ummah, We (India-US-west-Nato-Russia-Japan) will form non-Islamic ummah, and counter your forces in kashmir,palestine, chechnya or any where you want.
7. if you want war we will give you war, if you want peace, we will give you peace..

Hail peace.. Lets peace prevail every where.

aapne to meri muh ki baat chinli.

 

[M. Sarmad]

sir i know what im talking about but the hypocracy of pakistani nation is realli astonishing on one hand they use hindu caste names on the other hand they consider themselfs the decendends of arabs and central asian raiders/loters ..funny isnt it

So when you cant come up with any logical answer , you have started trying to insult pakistani nation ?? you called us hypocrites , pitiful mentality you have

 

[Panther 57]

2. Some Pakistani member said that Pakisatni fought against Israel, If I buy this conspiracy theory, Did they won war for Palestine? No...

Pakistani pilots did participate in Arab war. In fact they were on secondment to Jordan. When the war broke they were asked if they want to join and they volunteered. http://kaiser-aeronaut.blogspot.com/2008/11/sword-for-hussein.html