Are we the custodians of the Muslim Ummah?

[Rusty]

Nationalism is honesty a disease started by Napoleon.
It is an artificial construct used to enslave the masses to the ruling elite.
Whats that, you want to start wars, murder, rape, and pillage?
Sure, I don't have a problem with it because I am a patriot and support my country.

Unfortunately almost everyone is infected with this disease, including me.

 

[Zarvan]

i wanna say andriod and yo other person zarvan if u think that u are so knowlegable in Islam that u can say things with such impunity can u just ans this onw question what is the diffrence btw ribay and sood and did QURAN EVER SAID THAT SOOD is haram (see a simple question many would claim but not so simple question i am afraid ) and can u come up with justifications of ur ans.
yeah i know this question has no relevance to this thread but i wanna ask this question so that i may know how knowledgeable a person is and whether my time is well spent asn his logics plz mod dont delete this post

Yes Sir Quran has order to banned Sood that is why after That HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW strictly said that all old dealing are also banned which were decided on the bases of interest and first one he said I stop the deal was of his own uncle Hazrat ABBAAS RA

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i am sure many here wont even know the differences BTW ribah and sood

Mr Ribah is actual term Sood is not any term Sir Ribah is the main term some idiots tried to create the fitna of separating these two terms so they can justify interest but that is not true Sir

 

[A.Muqeet khan]

Yes Sir Quran has order to banned Sood that is why after That HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW strictly said that all old dealing are also banned which were decided on the bases of interest and first one he said I stop the deal was of his own uncle Hazrat ABBAAS RA

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Mr Ribah is actual term Sood is not any term Sir Ribah is the main term some idiots tried to create the fitna of separating these two terms so they can justify interest but that is not true Sir

first of all the term riba was used in quran which means interest over interest that doesnot equal to interst first of all so the riba was cancelled by quran and now towards interest ...this is legal or not legal it is still a matter of debate even yet and according to alazhar universty cairo the largest muslim universty of world belives that onetime interst buissness is legal and and this was accepted by the ratio 22:1 (22 people belives that it is legit 1 belived its not) now to say whether its right or wrong is a different story but people knowing **** when come to discuss Islam my blood simply boils no sir its riba which is banned by quran and interst that is banned by ijtimah there is a bloody difference

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and the English word of riba is compound interest not simply interest

 

[A.Muqeet khan]

Yes Sir Quran has order to banned Sood that is why after That HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW strictly said that all old dealing are also banned which were decided on the bases of interest and first one he said I stop the deal was of his own uncle Hazrat ABBAAS RA

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Mr Ribah is actual term Sood is not any term Sir Ribah is the main term some idiots tried to create the fitna of separating these two terms so they can justify interest but that is not true Sir

ok what is the literal meaning of riba prove it to me now and i want authentic results on it ! sir this is this this is that is all bull **** u dont even know that a human is not allowed to declare any person muslim or not yet you the muslim scholer not only passed the fatwa that muslim who thinks for a country is a non muslim what is it for me to debate . jis ko itna na pata ho wo kia batai ga kia bahass keray ga islam key barey main

 

[A.Muqeet khan]

******* read this and ul see what i am talking about
Article: "The Riba-Interest Equivalence: Is there an Ijma (consensus)?" by Dr. Mohammad Omar Farooq

 

[Zarvan]

first of all the term riba was used in quran which means interest over interest that doesnot equal to interst first of all so the riba was cancelled by quran and now towards interest ...this is legal or not legal it is still a matter of debate even yet and according to alazhar universty cairo the largest muslim universty of world belives that onetime interst buissness is legal and and this was accepted by the ratio 22:1 (22 people belives that it is legit 1 belived its not) now to say whether its right or wrong is a different story but people knowing **** when come to discuss Islam my blood simply boils no sir its riba which is banned by quran and interst that is banned by ijtimah there is a bloody difference
Mr their is nothing as Riba over riba riba is banned in all forms the thing it is legal or not was started by some traitors in Muslim Ummah who are always on the pay roll of Jews Riba is banned in all forms to study it read Minahj ul Muslim and Balgulal Maram and as far as Al Azhar is concerned their Mullah always give the fatwa which their government tells them to do
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and the English word of riba is compound interest not simply interest

Mr their is nothing as Riba over riba riba is banned in all forms the thing it is legal or not was started by some traitors in Muslim Ummah who are always on the pay roll of Jews Riba is banned in all forms to study it read Minahj ul Muslim and Balgulal Maram and as far as Al Azhar is concerned their Mullah always give the fatwa which their government tells them to do

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What Islam Says About Riba (Interest or Usury) - By Sheikh Shady Alsuleiman - YouTube

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The Prohibition of Riba Part 1 - YouTube
The Prohibition of Riba Part 2 - YouTube
The Prohibition of Riba Part 3 - YouTube
The Prohibition of Riba Part 4 - YouTube
The Prohibition of Riba Part 5 - YouTube

 

[PAKBARBIE]

although it is far-fetched and idealistic...i do believe that there are huge benefits in uniting the ummah if we want to save ourselves from further degradation and persecution. we (muslims) are an easily target because we are so divided. i'm not saying that we feel the pain of the arabs or vice versa. but politically it would be to our advantage if we were to cooperate. if we really became allies and had each others backs (the same policies) against the tyrants and oppressors they would not be able to mess. unification of the ummah could happen without the eradication of nation states. it could be more like an alliance and cooperation.

the advantages of cooperation are too many. even in the example of Hindu-Muslim unity in British India...the only way we were able to evoke feelings of azaadi from the British Tyrants was by being united. if we had remained United by these cultural and ethnic ties we would have been powerful region and the west would think twice before messing with us. but Hindu-Muslim unity became an idealistic and hopeless notion-hence the creation of pak... and the same applies to the 'Muslim Ummah' notion. we are divided within our own country so how can we expect other nations to unite with us. the sad thing is that pak is probably the modern state that has been there most for the ummah in times of need. when will the rest wake up and reciprocate?

United we stand, divided we fall

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

For me, Pakistan is always first then religion and other thing comes..

 

[AUz]

which ummah?? ummah is nothing but a dream....muslims have killed more muslims throughout the history...current pakistan and balochistan is best example of it....religion can not unite anyone there will be differences always..

Buzz off with your propaganda.

Mongols, British, Americans have killed Muslims in millions..yes, in millions...no Muslim power killed more Muslims than Mongols did..

So no, Muslims haven't killed more Muslims! Non-Muslims have killed us..and are continuing to do so...

Islam did and still does unite people all across globe..it unites people into a unique thread of bond, belonging, and brotherhood..Unlike any other religion (perhaps Judaism is exception), Islam is a complete code of life. It binds together billions of people of different ethnicities, nationalities, and races by providing them an over-arching cultural umbrella which covers legal, social, dietary, economic, spiritual, political, romantic, and even personal hygiene aspects of their lives....but this is on people to people level and this brings to my reply on the topic.

On people to people level, we are Muslims and we must support each other and help each other etc. But on national level, WE ARE PAKISTAN FIRST!!!!!!!! We aren't "protectors" of anyone but ourselves!!! National interests reign supreme. It doesn't mean that we'll just run over our Muslim friends...no. But it just means that we'll protect our national interests and demand respect from others! We won't let Arabs play dirty with our nation...

Be proud on being a Pakistani!

Understand how lucky you are, afterall, some people are born "indian"

 

[funtoosh]

To hell with the "ummah", Pakistan Zindabad! Palestine is not our problem, neither is Israel, we share no border or ethnicity with these countries so why should we share the headache of the arabs?

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What is the name of this show?

ae .. you fergot Kashmir ya

 

[funtoosh]

Buzz off with your propaganda.

Mongols, British, Americans have killed Muslims in millions..yes, in millions...no Muslim power killed more Muslims than Mongols did..

So no, Muslims haven't killed more Muslims! Non-Muslims have killed us..and are continuing to do so...

Islam did and still does unite people all across globe..it unites people into a unique thread of bond, belonging, and brotherhood..Unlike any other religion (perhaps Judaism is exception), Islam is a complete code of life. It binds together billions of people of different ethnicities, nationalities, and races by providing them an over-arching cultural umbrella which covers legal, social, dietary, economic, spiritual, political, romantic, and even personal hygiene aspects of their lives....but this is on people to people level and this brings to my reply on the topic.

On people to people level, we are Muslims and we must support each other and help each other etc. But on national level, WE ARE PAKISTAN FIRST!!!!!!!! We aren't "protectors" of anyone but ourselves!!! National interests reign supreme. It doesn't mean that we'll just run over our Muslim friends...no. But it just means that we'll protect our national interests and demand respect from others! We won't let Arabs play dirty with our nation...

Be proud on being a Pakistani!

Understand how lucky you are, afterall, some people are born "indian"

hello.., your ancestors were hindus and these muslims have killed and raped billions of them. I hope you convert back to your original hindu religion

 

[funtoosh]

I got a tatoo of the flag on my arm. At first my family was pissed, then they got used to it, and some my other family even liked it.

ye haath mujhe de de thakur, ye haath mujhe dede. aaaaaahhhhh.

 

[M. Sarmad]

I am a bit confused here !!! If Pakistan comes first , and then comes the religion , then why the hell was pakistan even created ?? We share nothing , punjabis are totally different from baluchis and pakthuns !! ethnicity , history , language , culture , geography , climate , society ... everything . Was two nation theory, a lie, told by our ancestors ? What about the prophet (pbuh) saying muslims are one ummah !!! ......................And who dares to say that "to hell with ummah" can go and f*** himself

 

[AUz]

hello.., your ancestors were hindus and these muslims have killed and raped billions of them. I hope you convert back to your original hindu religion

No, sorry.

We got enlightened. We can't go back to a religion that regards human being as "untouchables" b/c of his birth in a certain caste. Also, we can't worship cow dung..nor drink cow p!ss as a religious ritual.

Kindly, join us in our enlightened state..and convert to Islam....

 

[Panther 57]

I am a bit confused here !!! If Pakistan comes first , and then comes the religion , then why the hell was pakistan even created ?? We share nothing , punjabis are totally different from baluchis and pakthuns !! ethnicity , history , language , culture , geography , climate , society ... everything . Was two nation theory, a lie, told by our ancestors ? What about the prophet (pbuh) saying muslims are one ummah !!! ......................And who dares to say that "to hell with ummah" can go and f*** himself

National identity does have its own significance, which has been acknowledge by Islam also. I also use to wonder why Islam has recognised tribes, countries and geographical boundaries. Now I realise it, when I look at the current state of Muslims. I don't think it is Ummah any more. It is a concocted version of sectarianism. different factions trying to impose their own belief on others and considering all other schools of thought as infidels. In present situation priority should be given to nationalism as Pakistanis. When consolidation as nation is done then we can look forward to reincarnation of Ummah.