Are Sikhs Hindus or Muslims?

[Indus Pakistan]

It was not politics alone ; Is the TWO NATION THEORY political in nature

Religion was being used to articulate temporal needs. And if you looked at the subject beyond the stuff meant for the cerebral dead you will know.

If the Sikhs were so "Dharmic" and loved India so much answer my two questions.

(1) When the Indian Mutiny broke out why did the Sikhs (along with few others) take pleasure in joining the British and pulversing the"Indian Freedom Fighters". Thereby snuffing the so called "Indian War of Independance 1857"?

(2) When the British came knocking at their (Ranjit Singh's Empire) door in Punjab in 1849 why did they (Sikhs) not jump at a chance to join "Mata India"? Instead they fought tooth and nail to avoid joining India.

And you should know that whenever a trouble like what happened in Indian Punjab back in 1980s happens there has to be internal traction. Yes, outsiders might rake the mud but it has to be there in the first place. Similiar to how Pak has problem with Balochistan. It can't all be simply washed away by blaming it on outsiders.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

ANY DOUBT LEFT

 

[Centurion2016]

Hussain02016

places of worships are descreated the world over .... DOES NOT MAKE you a coward

Hindus burn mosques

Indians rape and pillage Kashmiri moslems even today

USA drones kill innocent Pakistani civillians

DO THESE MAKE THESE PEOIPLE COWARDS...

 

[Stephen Cohen]

(1) When the Indian Mutiny broke out why did the Sikhs (along with few others) take pleasure in joining the British and pulversing the"Indian Freedom Fighters". Thereby snuffing the so called "Indian War of Independance 1857"?

That is because EARLIER
the British had USED Hindu soldiers from UP Bihar to defeat SIkh Empire

1857 was payback time

1857 mutiny was started in UP ;So SIkhs took their revenge -- perfectly justified

 

[dadeechi]

In literal sense Zoroastrianism is not Abrahamic, but deeply influenced the advent of Abrahamic religions

Zoroastrianism is certainly not dharmic. Dharmic/Abrahamic is less to do whom you worship, but with the philosophy.

Zoroastrianism and Mithraism are very much Dharmic. Just because they may have influenced some Abrahamic religions does not make them Abrahamic.

It is not the question of certainty but about having the liberty to think, follow and practice what one believes in without fear or favor.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

(2) When the British came knocking at their (Ranjit Singh's Empire) door in Punjab why did they (Sikhs) not jump at a chance to join "Mata India"? Instead they fought tooth and nail to avoid joing India.

Sikh empire after it was dissolved became a part of British India

It was NOT a princely state ; The DOGRAS benefitted from the dissolution of Sikh empire
and got Kashmir ; Rest of Punjab became A part of British India

 

[911]

Of course Sikhs are Sikhs. But the wily Nehru has, on the quiet, made the Sikhs as well as Buddhists, Jains, Brahmos, etc Hindus in the Constitution of India. If we accept Zakir Nair's arguments, then in the literal sense, the original concept of Sikhism is nearer to Islam than to Hinduism.

Strange coming from those who don't even consider Ahmedis to be Muslims.

 

[hussain0216]

Hussain02016

places of worships are descreated the world over .... DOES NOT MAKE you a coward

Hindus burn mosques

Indians rape and pillage Kashmiri moslems even today

USA drones kill innocent Pakistani civillians

DO THESE MAKE THESE PEOIPLE COWARDS...

The fact they let it happen and did not fight back makes them cowards. Followed by shooting a old women in the face and then being abused and murdered across India makes them gutless cowards

 

[Centurion2016]

EVEN TODAY

Sikhs represent 2% of indian population

BUT 20% of the military

AND the highest number of officers and generals in the army

WHAT YOIU MEAN FIGHT BACK

they killed Ghandi as they said they would

WHAT REVENGE have Pakistanis taken for Saichen or Kashmir or Bangladesh ???????

 

[thesolar65]

This is a mischievous thread. The OP and that Zakir Naik are all mischief making persons!!

 

[hussain0216]

EVEN TODAY

Sikhs represent 2% of indian population

BUT 20% of the military

AND the highest number of officers and generals in the army

After desecration of their temple and murder of sikhs across india makes this even more pathetic

 

[Indus Pakistan]

This Two Nation theory was meant for the retarded. It had limited shelf life. It expired as soon as Pakistan came into existance. If the Two Nation Theory had even slight credibilty you would have one Muslim Country with all Muslims living in one Muslimstan. Looking something like below. From Morroco to Indonesia, from Sudan to Kazakstan.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

And you should know that whenever a trouble like what happened in Indian Punjab back in 1980s happens there has to be internal traction. Yes, outsiders might rake the mud but it has to be there in the first place. Similiar to how Pak has problem with Balochistan. It can't all be simply washed away by blaming it on outsiders.

But Indian Punjab became peaceful after a few years and TODAY
Sikhs are Absolutely ; Totally and Completely Indians

AFTER the Punjab separatist movement ; INDIA has had a SIKH PM
AND TWO Army Chiefs

Your Baluchistan is still in trouble

 

[Kathin_Singh]

(1) When the Indian Mutiny broke out why did the Sikhs (along with few others) take pleasure in joining the British and pulversing the"Indian Freedom Fighters". Thereby snuffing the so called "Indian War of Independance 1857"?

Even Gorkha regiment fought alongside Britishers against 1857 mutiny.

So would you say Gorkha are not Hindu?

(2) When the British came knocking at their (Ranjit Singh's Empire) door in Punjab in 1849 why did they (Sikhs) not jump at a chance to join "Mata India"? Instead they fought tooth and nail to avoid joining India.

Punjab was not the only state annexed by Britishers.

Jhansi fought with Britishers tooth and nail. It was so valiant fight that people still remembers Jhansi Ki Rani.

And Jhansi was not only state so was Satara,Nagpur,Jaitpur etc.

 

[Centurion2016]

SIKHS where born to fight moslems
The Gurus fought the Mughals

THE SAME SIKHS wil fight PAKISTAN TODAY