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Arabs slam Pak stand on Yemen and Call on Pakistani Parliament to Fall in Line

Point to ponder

"If Pakistan is a true friend of the Saudis it should point out these dangers, forcefully and without mincing words, and together with Iran and Turkey throw its weight behind a peaceful end to the fighting. This will be the greatest favour that anyone can do to the House of Saud. Forget about the dangers to Pakistan. Sending troops to Yemen will only mean reinforcing the disaster that the Saudis are creating for themselves.

Pakistan’s involvement in Afghanistan should be read as a cautionary tale. Pakistan suffered the consequences. The Saudi monarchy has to live in a dream-world to think that if the Yemen conflict lengthens Saudi Arabia will remain immune from the fallout."





Won't happen. Parliament decision just proved that dynamics in Pakistani politics have changed.


you show your naivety.

Iran has destroyed internally 4 arab countries. The saudis are in no mood to talk. Saudis are going to pound the houthis till they go back to their homelands in the north. The days of a meek saudi depending on amreeka is over

The turks and the paks were told to pick a side and they chose tehran. The gulf noted that and have moved on
 
Be prepared for funding delays in Swat and S.Waziristan reconstruction then.

Acceptable drawback. Better than receiving caskets.

you show your naivety.

Iran has destroyed internally 4 arab countries. The saudis are in no mood to talk. Saudis are going to pound the houthis till they go back to their homelands in the north. The days of a meek saudi depending on amreeka is over

The turks and the paks were told to pick a side and they chose tehran. The gulf noted that and have moved on

Pakistan and Turkey are both Regional Powers - 'You are either with us or against us' doesn't work with them.
 
Acceptable drawback. Better than receiving caskets.



Pakistan and Turkey are both Regional Powers - 'You are either with us or against us' doesn't work with them.

Regional powers or no regional powers. You pick and choose a side. When the chips are down, you are either a buddy or fair weather friend. Kinda like the munafiqeen of abdullah ibn salul. talk a good game but when time for war comes plenty of excuses.

We are ready to take it in. There is no way we can be coerced into a war that offers us no benefits.


And there lies in your problem. To you its all about benefits. happy to rack in the billions but shy in contributing anything. Its the friendship of the hyena type. As a person you wouldnt accept that from you close friends in life. That also extends to countries
 
then no point discussing Pakistan with you further.
Or perhaps you have nothing to offer as a supporting argument, just what you read in the secondary school textbooks perhaps?

Is the nuclear funding come back to bite you guys now? As you already know, there are No free lunches
The only funding that ever came was from Gaddafis Libya in the 70s, not much good it will do him or that nation now. The Saudis did not fund the program directly but provided oil when no one else might have so they do get a penny. The Jordanians deserve the most praise(for their role throughout in their relationship with us); worked out a deal with the Israelis and purchased spare parts for the F-16s on our behalf.. kept the aircraft flying when they should have been grounded. The Khaleejis play only for money, so their complains are the most laughable.. during the late 80s and early 90s for example.. they provided both India and Pakistan an arms black market of sorts..which I mentioned many times earlier had both Indian and Pakistani scientists sitting the drawing room of the same dealer, wondering what the other was there for?
 
For all I care, Arabs can go **** themselves. I stand for my Pakistan only and you are an idiot and ignorant person. You neither read my all posts nor tried to understand the crux of the matter.

And more interesting would be to read your posts supporting mushy commando bending over to US against their unjustified war against Afghanistan. Being a staunch MQM supporter and blinded by your hate for NS you should be opposing this decision as it is 180 degrees opposite to what mushy did.

As for your money and ticket, you can send it to Altaf to come back and lead the gang from here.

As a nation we said NO, if individuals
have pain they are free to go and join the fake Jehad there, if you want to join I could arrange your ticket money.

Whatever makes you happy, I don't debate with enemies of the state with closed minds, it just becomes an argument. I have written you off my list of PDF members I respected and read.
Have a good day or night depending on wherever you are. over and out.

Or perhaps you have nothing to offer as a supporting argument, just what you read in the secondary school textbooks perhaps?


The only funding that ever came was from Gaddafis Libya in the 70s, not much good it will do him or that nation now. The Saudis did not fund the program directly but provided oil when no one else might have so they do get a penny. The Jordanians deserve the most praise(for their role throughout in their relationship with us); worked out a deal with the Israelis and purchased spare parts for the F-16s on our behalf.. kept the aircraft flying when they should have been grounded. The Khaleejis play only for money, so their complains are the most laughable.. during the late 80s and early 90s for example.. they provided both India and Pakistan an arms black market of sorts..which I mentioned many times earlier had both Indian and Pakistani scientists sitting the drawing room of the same dealer, wondering what the other was there for?
 
Regional powers or no regional powers. You pick and choose a side. When the chips are down, you are either a buddy or fair weather friend.

No GCC state showed up when chips were down for 'us'. By that token we aren't duty bound to either be the buddy or a fair weather friend. Our parliament represents our voice, it has decided what's the best interest of Pakistan. Regional power status does give you flexibility in what can be traded. If GCC had helped Pakistan during last 10 years, we perhaps would've been more willing to join in. Instead of helping us countries like UAE are busy in aiding and abating separatism in Pakistan's Balochistan province. All insurgent leaders are found roaming free, collecting funds to buy arms to kill us. What makes you think that Pakistan would DEFEND UAE when they are busy subverting us?

Kinda like the munafiqeen of abdullah ibn salul. talk a good game but when time for war comes plenty of excuses.

Wars are fought for interests, we have nothing to gain from Yemen, so there is no reason to wage it.

And there lies in your problem. To you its all about benefits. happy to rack in the billions but shy in contributing anything. Its the friendship of the hyena type. As a person you wouldnt accept that from you close friends in life. That also extends to countries

Pakistan has also helped develop GCC's defense forces and contributed through its human capital. This game works both ways sonny boy. We have 5 fronts opened up at home, to expect that we will fight in yemen and open a 6th one is a show of apathy towards our stability which we value above all.
 
Whatever makes you happy, I don't debate with enemies of the state with closed minds, it just becomes an argument. I have written you off my list of PDF members I respected and read.
Have a good day or night depending on wherever you are. over and out.
Considering you just ran away from a supposed defence of the state, which essentially amounts to desertion.. it looks like you have doubts about those reasons yourself.. which is why.. as part of this nation you are like them inclined to be confused who you really are and who should you be loyal to; Arabs, Iranians or Turkey. Clearly, with no definition of clear cut identity playing poodle to the Arabs for all these years came in on its own.

And LMAO at me being written off the list, the day I start caring about such "lists" is the day I will return as your PM(or Chief Marshal law administrator) :angel:
 
Times like these i remember the turks in the 50s with the korean war. The koreans never a paid a dime to turkey nor offerred their citizens iqama. But when the war started turkey became the second country to pour in troops and took heaviest casualties. There was no religious links ummah bhai bhai nonsense. They did it because a country was in trouble and they jumped it. No excuses.

Fast forward and koreans are one of the biggest turkish investers and helpers. Today every south korean has a sense of duty to a turk for that sacrifice.

Shames pakistan completely.
 
Times like these i remember the turks in the 50s with the korean war. The koreans never a paid a dime to turkey nor offerred their citizens iqama. But when the war started turkey became the second country to pour in troops and took heaviest casualties. There was no religious links ummah bhai bhai nonsense. They did it because a country was in trouble and they jumped it. No excuses.

Fast forward and koreans are one of the biggest turkish investers and helpers. Today every south korean has a sense of duty to a turk for that sacrifice.

Shames pakistan completely.

Complete fabrication of History. Turkey was part of a US lead alliance, not involved unilaterally. Having said that, Pakistan has done its fair share of fighting for Arabs, none of whom showed up at our wars. Their lives are not holier than ours. We are not going to put ourselves at great risk to fight GCC's war in Yemen, there is already too much war we have seen.
 
No GCC state showed up when chips were down for 'us'. By that token we aren't duty bound to either be the buddy or a fair weather friend. Our parliament represents our voice, it has decided what's the best interest of Pakistan. Regional power status does give you flexibility in what can be traded. If GCC had helped Pakistan during last 10 years, we perhaps would've been more willing to join in. Instead of helping us countries like UAE are busy in aiding and abating separatism in Pakistan's Balochistan province. All insurgent leaders are found roaming free, collecting funds to buy arms to kill us. What makes you think that Pakistan would DEFEND UAE when they are busy subverting us?



Wars are fought for interests, we have nothing to gain from Yemen, so there is no reason to wage it.



Pakistan has also helped develop GCC's defense forces and contributed through its human capital. This game works both ways sonny boy. We have 5 fronts opened up at home, to expect that we will fight in yemen and open a 6th one is a show of apathy towards our stability which we value above all.
The Chips were down the worst in 71, when Pakistan literally had nothing to offer in return. And those who showed up then are the true friends of Pakistan.. the rest are all just business transactions.
 
What i don't get is why does our neutrality in this whole Iranian-GCC rivalry bother certain countries so much??

And besides, Pakistan's guarantee to protect Saudi territorial integrity and Islamic Holy Sites still stands, none of which are threatened by rag tag Houthis.

Read the highlighted:





UAE slams Pak vote on Yemen

(STAFF REPORT) / 11 April 2015

Warns of heavy price for ambiguous stand.

Dubai — The UAE on Friday strongly condemned a Pakistani decision to stay out of the conflict in Yemen, rejecting Saudi demands for Islamabad to join its military coalition against Houthi rebels.

“The Arabian Gulf is in a dangerous confrontation, its strategic security is on the edge, and the moment of truth distinguishes between the real ally and the ally of media and statements,” Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Dr Anwar Mohammed Gargash tweeted after a unanimous resolution passed by a special session of Pakistan’s parliament.

The resolution, however, backed the government’s commitment to protect Saudi Arabia’s territory, which has so far not been threatened by the conflict.

Gargash said Pakistan is required to show a clear stand in favour of its strategic relations with the six-nation Arab Gulf cooperation Council, as contradictory and ambiguous views on this serious matter will have a heavy price to pay (was that a threat?).

“This is nothing but another chapter of laggard impartial stand,” Gargash said, criticising identical views held by Turkey and Iran about the armed conflict in Yemen, as affirmed by the Turkish foreign minister, who had said a political way out of the crisis is the responsibility of Turkey, Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Tehran seems to be more important to Islamabad and Ankara than the Gulf countries, Gargash added. “Though our economic and investment assets are inevitable, political support is missing at critical moments,” Gargash said.

“The vague and contradictory stands of Pakistan and Turkey are an absolute proof that Arab security — from Libya to Yemen — is the responsibility of none but Arab countries, and the crisis is a real test for neighbouring countries.”

The Pakistan parliament resolution turned down long-standing ally Riyadh’s request for troops, ships and warplanes, saying: “Pakistan should play a mediating role and not get involved in fighting in Yemen.”

“Parliament of Pakistan...underscores the need for continued efforts by the government of Pakistan to find a peaceful resolution of the crisis,” the resolution said.

“(Parliament) desires that Pakistan should maintain neutrality in the Yemen conflict so as to be able to play a proactive diplomatic role to end the crisis.”



Saudi Mufti calls for youth conscription

Riyadh — The Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Shaikh Abdul Aziz bin Abdullah Al Shaikh, who is also chairman of the senior scholars authority has called for military conscription of youth.

Shaikh Abdul Aziz said: “We must prepare our youth properly to become a shield for us in the holy war against the enemies of religion and the nation.”

In his Friday sermon at Imam Turki bin Abdullah mosque in Riyadh, he said: “We should well look after our youth and prepare them for enlistment, which will enable them dis-charge their duties effectively.”

“This step is important for our youth towards their religion and for protecting their homeland,” he said, adding that the nation should always be prepared to face enemies.

“We are leading a secure life, a boon that others envied us for,” Shaikh Abdul Aziz said and added that while we should be thankful to Allah for this mercy, our nation should remain alert to defend the religion and country through compulsory military training.

“We should be careful and cautious of the enemies who want to spoil our religion, morals and economy, as well as destroying our unity”, he said, adding that to face such chal-lenges, “we must prepare our youth militarily, intellectually and educationally”.



UAE slams Pak vote on Yemen

@Horus @waz @DESERT FIGHTER @Ulla @salarsikander @Armstrong @Umair Nawaz @Jaanbaz @Jungibaaz @Daneshmand @Serpentine
Screw these habibis .How many times have you got warnings from us when you did not help us when we were fighting a war with india or fighting a war on terror ?
We don,t give two hoots to what you say .We will no longer delude ourselves to help our so called ummah brothers .
I think we have learned something from the past and in the future our every single decision regarding international relations will based on the norms of the 21st century which are mutual interests not stupid religious emotions.
Well decision made by pakistan :pakistan:
 
The Chips were down the worst in 71, when Pakistan literally had nothing to offer in return. And those who showed up then are the true friends of Pakistan.. the rest are all just business transactions.


i think you would find the arabs were busy fighting israel those days and trying to crush it
 
The Chips were down the worst in 71, when Pakistan literally had nothing to offer in return. And those who showed up then are the true friends of Pakistan.. the rest are all just business transactions.

None of whom were GCC states :D

i think you would find the arabs were busy fighting israel those days and trying to crush it

In 1973, not in 1971, and we did show up at 73 war.
 

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