I guess you missed the 'D' in my post - '701D' is the upgraded version of '701C' and has an engine power of 1,994 shp (1,487 kW) against 1,890 shp (1,409 kW) of '701C'.
The Block III features an upgraded transmission to cater for the increased thrust (3,400 shp) of the twin T700-GE-701D engines which are now fitted with an enhanced digital engine control unit. The Block III is faster by 28 kmph (combat speed of 303 kmph) as result of improved thrust, composite main rotor blades and better aerodynamics. Block III is able to hover at 6,000 feet at a temperature of 35 degrees centigrade with a payload of 1.5 tonne. The older versions were only capable of hover at 4,000 feet with lesser payload at the same temperature.It uses a greater proportion of composites (up to 30 per cent), with the main rotor blades and spars, equipment fairings and tail stabiliser made entirely of composites.
I am not sure of that either - It seems that IAF wants only one squadron with Longbow configuration.
The thread was merged - the deal has been cleared and will be signed on PM's visit to US later this month -
Modi signs off on Boeing military helicopter deal before U.S. trip | Reuters
LOL yes I missed this bloody D. So it's even more powerful than C version with more hp. What a deal at this price tag. Russians or French could had sacked our blood sighting capabilities of this aircraft. Huge advantage over anything China can come up with.
Great job buddy. Good info. And tell the truth what you do? You don't look like college student
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Sorry to burst a few bubbles of yours, my apologies for that, just because of your
ill informed analysis.
AH-64D is no doubt a superior machine but AH-1Z does almost all of its job + greater speed.
That's why US Marines opted for AH-1Z instead of AH-64, otherwise they could go for Apache just like Brits.
AH-1Z carries similar radar system called COBRA RADAR SYSTEM but in some versions, though its not clear at the moment that PA opted for same version or not.
Well if you have
Sidewinders on your wingtips, even with the full-load configuration, you might not miss the tiny Stingers in the battle field.
Vipers with the COBRA RADAR can be equipped with Hellfire Block-2 as well, for the stated purpose.
Maybe you should see an eye specialist before going fully blind.
Other guys might wana count the engines again.
Actually you busted your own bubble. My condolences. That was from another forum by another member. I have given in detail why Apache is superior to AH1Z. So rebut me on that my that's mime and I will own it. What ever the mistakes I may have made.
Let's debate
Sorry to burst a few bubbles of yours, my apologies for that, just because of your
ill informed analysis.
AH-64D is no doubt a superior machine but AH-1Z does almost all of its job + greater speed.
That's why US Marines opted for AH-1Z instead of AH-64, otherwise they could go for Apache just like Brits.
AH-1Z carries similar radar system called COBRA RADAR SYSTEM but in some versions, though its not clear at the moment that PA opted for same version or not.
Well if you have
Sidewinders on your wingtips, even with the full-load configuration, you might not miss the tiny Stingers in the battle field.
Vipers with the COBRA RADAR can be equipped with Hellfire Block-2 as well, for the stated purpose.
Maybe you should see an eye specialist before going fully blind.
Other guys might wana count the engines again.
Bubble buster ... NOW TAKE THIS.
It's are easy to compare two attack choppers. Having said that if we have to do it then we should. So here we go.
Aspects of comparison between Apache and AH1Z
1 Take off weight
2 useful load
3 Radar
4 Engine
5 weapons
1 Take off weight .
Both aircraft doing fairly well with above 8000 kg. But Apache can lift off with mind-boggling crazy load of worth 10,433 kg against Just 8, 390 kg of AH1Z . Differences are not even comparable. Huge advantage for Apache
2) Useful Load : Now this very important aspect. As no one cares about total weight of an attack chopper but what it can carry to destroy it's targets. And we all know operating an weapon system like these have to to more economical.
AH1z has empty weight of around 5,580kg with maximum take of weight of 8,390 kg. Which means this copter can carry weapon load of 2,620 kg.
This is where the brut strength of Apache can be felt. With empty weight of 5,165kg it's strong and rigid airframe
allows it to carry max take off weight of massive 10,433 kg. So in terms of efficiency in carrying out deadly missions Apache wins like a champ with no much of a hassles against its counterparts.
3) Radar : This is very important aspect of modern day warfare. An radar mounted on these attack choppers will give massive advantage against its enemies weapon system and for carrying out its task with ease.
It's A fire-control radar (FCR) is a radar that is designed specifically to provide information (mainly target azimuth, elevation, range and velocity) to a fire-control system in order to calculate a firing solution (i.e., information on how to direct weapons such that they hit the target(s)). A typical radar emits a narrow, intense beam of radio waves to ensure accurate tracking information and to minimize the chance of losing track of the target. Some modern radars have a track-while-scan capability, enabling them to function simultaneously as both fire-control radar and search radar. This works either by having the radar switch between sweeping the search sector and sending directed pulses at the target to be tracked, or by using a phased-array antenna to generate multiple simultaneous radar beams that both search and track. Lockheed Martin / Northrop Grumman AN/APG-78 Longbow fire-control radar[280] (Note: can only be mounted on the AH-64D/E)
So hands down victory goes to Apache
4)Engine : Power and reliability of an engine is the most important aspect for any war machines that to for an helicopters it's even more important.
Apache Powerplant: 2 × General Electric T700-GE-701C (for AH-64A/D from 1990), 1,890 shp (1,409 kW)] Rotor systems: 4 blade main rotor,4 blade tail rotor in non-orthogonal alignment
AH1Z : Powerplant: 2 × General Electric T700-GE-401C turboshaft, 1,800 shp (1,340 kW) each
Rotor systems: 4 blades on main rotor, 4 blades on tail rotor
I don't think there is clear winner here. But since Apache helicopters has more advanced engine optimization for more range and load carrying capacity than AH1Z.
5)Last but not least. ARMAMENT :
Weapon delivery systems and variety of different types of weapons are necessary for today's high intensive warfare.
AH1z has Armament Guns: 1 x 20 mm (0.787in) M197 3-barreled gatling cannon in the A/A49E-7 turret (750 round ammo capacity)
Where as Apache helicopters standout with very impressive massive fire power with Guns: 1× 30 mm (1.18 in) M230 Chain Gun with 1,200 rounds
So with 30 mm guns and capacity to carry 1200 rounds it's a clear winner with massive 40% more fire power as far as gun system is concerned
b) Missiles and rocket pods :
Apache : Four pylon stations on the stub wings. Longbows also have a station on each wingtip for an AIM-92 Stinger twin missile pack.
Rockets: Hydra 70 mm, and CRV7 70 mm air-to-ground rockets Missiles: Typically AGM-114 Hellfire variants; AIM-92 Stinger may also be carried.
AH1z : Up to 6 pylon stations on stub wing
Rockets: 2.75 in (70 mm) Hydra 70 or APKWS II[33] rockets – Mounted in LAU-68C/A (7 shot) or LAU-61D/A (19 shot) launchers
Missiles:
AIM-9 Sidewinder air-to-air missiles – 1 mounted on each wing tip station (total of 2)
AGM-114 Hellfire air-to-surface missiles – Up to 16 missiles mounted in four 4-round M272 missile launchers, two on each wing.
Over all both doing fairly well even when AH1Z can carry AIM 9 sidewinder as an advantage but the operational need for an ground attack role capacity and capabilities are one sided towards Apache with massive 1200- 30 mm rounds and with 2- 70 mm rocket pods + 8 AGM-114 Hellfire variants; (Note AIM-92 Stinger may also be carried (2 numbers) on its wing tip stations too) .
That's whole new level of helicopter warfare. I don't think comparing each sensors are necessary as Apache with its multiple mode overall capabilities will have land sliding victory over any thing in its category till date.
To be precise
So these above comparisons gives a huge victory for Apache. This war machine now will give Indian armed forces ground breaking advantage in Asian terrains with desserts, jungle and mountains. IAF deserves such a capability which was long over due. 22 Apache been ordered today by Government of India will go to Indian Airforce. Another 39 or more is been planned for Indian Army Aviation Corp .
With Indigenously developed Light combat aircraft looks promising. APACHE LCH combo will be our spear head in defense and much needed CSD
Massive respect for Modi ji government! RESPECT... For those who created this beast called Apache Longbow!!!