Angry PCB walks out of 2011 world cup meeting

[Rafael]

Why? Because of the cheerleaders?
If you don't like it, you don't have to watch it. It is anyway designed for the Indian viewer.

I have to agree with you on this...I watch it in a sports bar now
or with my girl friend

Do I need say more?v

 

[afriend]

Pakistan won the right to host the world cup. We can easily host the matches in Dubai and Abu Dhabi which are like an hour and 15 minutes flight from Karachi!

You're talking as if there would be some religious blasphemy by making that flight. Remember the UAE has three superb grounds to host those 14 matches and they have better facilities, better hotels, better transport and most of all the better security situation than any SA country.

India just wants to take the money away from Pakistan.

Well BCCI, Bangladesh cricket board and srilankan cricket board had agreed to give PCB the hosting fees even though they are not hosting any.. so i dont think India wants to destroy pak cricket india wants to take away money from pak cricket and all thi are flawed arguments.

And there was no hostility between BCCI and PCB, BCCI had requested the GOI to tour pak which was denied because of the security conerncs.. So brining in an INDIA PAK ANGLE(u know the obvious one) is not right. Because its the BCCI and the other boards which are having an issue of Pakistan wanting to shift the game to an alien country.

PCB asking if not here then middle east or usa or europe or whatever is not right. Because the subcontinent had won the right TOGETHER and i see there is no way a need to shift it out of here .Pakistan too won the right but it eventually lost because of their own fault. And again i don't think the distance is the issue but the concept of the World Cup running successfully in Indian subcontinent is..!!!! And world cup is not any cup which can be toiled around with any where in the world, any country hosting it has to earn it. Be it UAE, USA or any other country.

 

[Joshi]

Get this through your heads - these 14 matches were not going to be held on Indian, Sri Lankan or Bangladeshi soil, so it is not their loss to begin with.

If these 14 matches were declared not be held in Pakistan, then what is PCB's problem if they were to be held in India, BD, or SL, or some neutral venues?

It's a game lost for PCB. Either way.

On the other hand, I fear a big terrorist attack in India as well. Many people somewhere are not happy of India hosting the world cup.

 

[afriend]

First of all congratulations to the Pakistan cricket team for winning the world cup!

Coming back to the point, let us analyze the whole situation rationally.

Assuming that the matches cannot be held in Pakistan at any cost because of safety and security reasons (guess there is no argument contrary to that), we are left with just two possibilities- (1) Share Pakistan’s share of matches between the remaining hosts or (2) hold it in some neutral venue of PCB’s choice.

Looking from PCBs pov, option (1) is ruled out as it doesn’t bring any revenue to the country or the board. However, option (2) makes a lot of sense as it is the second best option to having matches in Pakistan. Looking from BCCI and other boards’ pov, option (1) can create additional revenue while option (2) means no additional revenue; in fact it might lead to losses if the brunt of the new logistics has to borne by these boards. In essence, both sides have valid arguments in their favor.

Solution:
Assuming that there is no animosity or greed involved, BCCI and ICC should allow Pakistan to hold its share of matches in a neutral venue provided PCB accepts to bear any additional expenses or losses to other boards that might arise due to the new formula. Other boards (apart from the hosts) too must have a say and their preferences too must be taken into account to avoid any clash of interests.

I dont think what is the point in hosting the game in another alien country when they have lost the right to host the games . They earned it to host it in Pakistan. UAE is not a part of this. So once their rights are taken away it should have been a nice gesture from PCB to accept happily the sharing of the games between the sub continental countries and accept a revenue share(like the hosting fees) arising out of it..!! Don't you think that would sound more logical..!!! I dont know what is the reason behind PCB wanting to shift it to UAE..!!!!

 

[Al-zakir]

That shouldn't be happen but possibly because of Bangladeshi board is also opposing Pakistan to host world cup and playing in hands of India.

In this case Mahboob Ali(BCB) should get a slap in the face. Bangladesh should not play in India's Shatani plan. What **** BCB doing?

Banladesh must stay neutral and back up PCB not otherway around.

 

[brahmastra]

On a lighter note, It was a blessing in disguise

look at the team who had the most player playing in IPL

give this advise to ur players and listen what they says. everyone wants money.

 

[wtf]

Though your intentions are good thats simply not a feasable option. Giving money to Pakistan simply because Pakistan can't host the worldcup is not India's or ICC's fault. Its Pakistan's internal matter and the threat posed by terrorists in Pakistan is something that Pakistan will have to suffer with for the next 2 or 3 years. If our games are being hosted by other nations than they are taking responsibility for everything including tourists, hotels, security, logistics etc and the profits should be rightly distributed to them.

Screaming Skull has written a nice piece and his words are spot on!! I think the games hosted by Pakistan should be played in a neutral location as long as Pakistan bears the logistical brunt and expenses. I think thats a feasable option but than again BCCI has to much influence in ICC.

I was talking about giving the revenues for the 14 games if they are held in India/SL.

Again BCCI opinion itself might be split. One thing I know about BCCI is that unless things get dragged into Supreme court no decision they make is final.

Look at the list of people involved.

Sharad Pawar is a ex-congressman and politically powerful within BCCI and the govt.. He seems to have promised to stand by PCB.

Shashank Manohar has a colourful history. He may/may not have been involved with Dawood and may have had a fallout. I am guessing that his refusal of Dubai has something to do with Dawood's influence in the games in the region. He certainly has to gain from stadium revenues ( Who on earth is Shashank Manohar? - Yahoo! Answers)

The only good thing I can see is that the current sports minister in MS Gill who has some administrative experience (IAS) and was actually involved in Sports. He may have the final say.

 

[wtf]

I dont think what is the point in hosting the game in another alien country when they have lost the right to host the games . They earned it to host it in Pakistan. UAE is not a part of this. So once their rights are taken away it should have been a nice gesture from PCB to accept happily the sharing of the games between the sub continental countries and accept a revenue share(like the hosting fees) arising out of it..!! Don't you think that would sound more logical..!!! I dont know what is the reason behind PCB wanting to shift it to UAE..!!!!

Was the revenue sharing option on the table ? did not hear that being offered .

 

[Rafael]

give this advise to ur players and listen what they says. everyone wants money.

Well dont know about your players, But Our players are quite content with the "WORLD CUP", nothing is bigger than the Glory of being world champions, not even the money.

 

[rubyjackass]

Reasonable way?
So u r the judge.
It is not that u r depriving us of our cricket.
But the way this has been done is smelling rotten.
if the decision was fair then way is ICC concerned about the legal action.
They know the procedure has not been followed.

My friend the sad truth is that you are already deprived of cricket. I am not a judge. Just read my previous post with a calm, clear mind without any past taste of hatred.
I don't know about the rules. I talked about how the spirit should be, why PCB should not wrong the other organizers for claiming other matches and blame them for everything.
Everyone understands PCB is in a tough situation, but who among all these gains with the entry of a new player? None. So here is where the other boards stop. It is absurd to point fingers at them for 'working with BCCI as ring leader'.

Legal action can leave everyone hurt. It spoils the relations between countries for a very long time(not that they already are not spoilt). That is what ICC is (supposed)trying to avoid.

No one is exactly sure about what the outcome of an legal battle would be. That would definitely further alienate PCB from the other Asian boards.
Also don't talk like law is on PCB's side.





This is what I wanted to say, said better by afriend

I dont think what is the point in hosting the game in another alien country when they have lost the right to host the games . They earned it to host it in Pakistan. UAE is not a part of this. So once their rights are taken away it should have been a nice gesture from PCB to accept happily the sharing of the games between the sub continental countries and accept a revenue share(like the hosting fees) arising out of it..!! Don't you think that would sound more logical..!!! I dont know what is the reason behind PCB wanting to shift it to UAE..!!!!

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

First, as I pointed out already, the WC was not won by "South Asia" or the "subcontinent", it was won by Asia, and more specifically by 4 Asian countries, as I have already shown through the statement of the ICC officials posted earlier.

If one argues that the UAE did not win the right to host the 14 Pakistan matches, then neither did India, Sri Lanka or Bangladesh. The bid was a joint one, and Pakistan was the second largest participant in the bid and therefore a crucial part of its success.

Now, as far as Pakistan moving its share of the matches to a neutral venue vs having them distributed across 3 other nations. The issue of 'logistics' raised as a n argument against the UAE hosting the matches is in fact more of an issue in the case of the 'co-hosts', Pakistan, who would have to travel across three countries to play those matches, if they were distributed across three nations.

This additionally puts a greater burden on Pakistani spectators as well, who would not only have to negotiate Indian visas in a politically tense climate, but also be vary of traveling to India for security reasons due the possibility of the current hostility continuing. In addition the spectators would have to possibly travel across South Asia to attend Pakistani matches.

By hosting them at a neutral venue like the UAE, Pakistan would have a centralized location for most of its matches. This would make traveling for Pakistani spectators much easier, since it would be relatively close and in one country.

The Pakistani spectators are the ones losing out the most in this, and a neutral venue such as the UAE offers the best solution in that regard, both logistically for the Pakistani 'co-hosts' and spectators, as well as financially.

 

[rubyjackass]

The Pakistani spectators are the ones losing out the most in this, and a neutral venue such as the UAE offers the best solution in that regard, both logistically for the Pakistani 'co-hosts' and spectators, as well as financially.

I see one point. It has been clear that Pakistani cricket fans are the ones who will loose the most.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

why PCB should not wrong the other organizers for claiming other matches and blame them for everything.

What nonsense - the PCB is not 'wronging' the BCCI or the other boards. The PCB is not asking them to put up more money, it is not asking the other boards to forgo their share of the matches.

It is merely asking that since the matches allocated to it in the winning bid (that Pakistan was an integral art of) are not being held in Pakistan, that they shoudl be held in a neutral venue of its choosing. The PC is also not asking that these matches be held in Antarctica or North America - the WC will remain in Asia and the logistically the UAE poses no more of a burden (distance wise) than the other nations involved.

The side doing the 'wronging' here is the BCCI, hoping to usurp the Pakistani matches out of greed.

Everyone understands PCB is in a tough situation, but who among all these gains with the entry of a new player? None. So here is where the other boards stop. It is absurd to point fingers at them for 'working with BCCI as ring leader'.

The Pakistani team and Pakistani spectators gain from hosting the 14 Pakistani matches in the UAE, as I explained earlier, and as co-hosts that shoudl be the primary concern.

Legal action can leave everyone hurt. It spoils the relations between countries for a very long time(not that they already are not spoilt). That is what ICC is (supposed)trying to avoid.

Then the BCCI shoudl stop its obstructionism since it is not being asked to forgo anything that was allocated to it, and allow Pakistan to host the matches in a location such as the UAE that conforms with the infrastructure and logistical requirements of the WC as well as the financial and traveling concerns of the PCB, cricketers and spectators.

No one is exactly sure about what the outcome of an legal battle would be. That would definitely further alienate PCB from the other Asian boards.
Also don't talk like law is on PCB's side.

Who cares about the other Asian boards at this point - they have shown themselves to be greedy obstructionists anyway.

We'll find out about the legality of all of this if the PCB does take the issue to court.

 

[Awesome]

Well BCCI, Bangladesh cricket board and srilankan cricket board had agreed to give PCB the hosting fees even though they are not hosting any.. so i dont think India wants to destroy pak cricket india wants to take away money from pak cricket and all thi are flawed arguments.

And there was no hostility between BCCI and PCB, BCCI had requested the GOI to tour pak which was denied because of the security conerncs.. So brining in an INDIA PAK ANGLE(u know the obvious one) is not right. Because its the BCCI and the other boards which are having an issue of Pakistan wanting to shift the game to an alien country.

PCB asking if not here then middle east or usa or europe or whatever is not right. Because the subcontinent had won the right TOGETHER and i see there is no way a need to shift it out of here .Pakistan too won the right but it eventually lost because of their own fault. And again i don't think the distance is the issue but the concept of the World Cup running successfully in Indian subcontinent is..!!!! And world cup is not any cup which can be toiled around with any where in the world, any country hosting it has to earn it. Be it UAE, USA or any other country.

That money's not coming from you guys, thats coming from ICC. It's in contract.

The other thing is damages in losing crowd, hotel bookings, tv rights, adverts, tourism, etc. Now why should we divert all of that to INDIA? We'll send it wherever we please to. WE are supposed to host it, we can host it in Dubai too.

 

[Durran3]

If these 14 matches were declared not be held in Pakistan, then what is PCB's problem if they were to be held in India, BD, or SL, or some neutral venues?

It's a game lost for PCB. Either way.

Not entirely true, its not that PCB Has lost all these 14 matches, PCB had the second highest bid in Asia and if it wasn't for PCB we might not even have this world cup in Asia. PCB has every right to choose a venue for itself and there is no better option than the UAE. Like one of the posters above already mentioned the grounds their are well maintained, good security, great lodging and is an ideal tourist destination as well.

Its the next best and closest thing for the people of Pakistan to go to. Its hard for Pakistani's to go all the way to Sri-lanka or Bangladesh to watch a cricket match, its also hard for Pakistani's to go to India for obvious reasons. UAE is only an hour and thirty minutes away by air for Pakistani's to go and watch a cricket match. So even though we may not be able to watch a match in Pakistan, Pakistani's in general still can go to the UAE and watch the games there without any problems and that is a legitimate reason.

If PCB had the second highest bid in Asia than it has every right to choose a venue that will suit the needs of the people of Pakistan to watch a cricket match.