Angry PCB walks out of 2011 world cup meeting

[rubyjackass]

If you forget about history and think...
Here is what happened.

Four countries jointly, together as one, lobbied for hosting the world cup.
One of them got its security situation so screwed up by fate.
It is clear that noone will play in that country.
Naturally the most reasonable way out is that the rest of the countries get those matches. Is it strange that the three countries will want those matches to be held at their venues? However sympathetic these boardss might be with the one board.
But no this one board wants to reject these countries claim for the opportunity. ...giving the gains to a new actor just because it wants to deny these the other countries the credit.

The only basis you have to justify the new venues is that the board has the 'right' to hold them anywhere it wants and that according to rules this has to be done.
Well according to the same rules all others can cut loose one of the members if they ask for unreasonable gifts.



Now tell me where exactly hostility cropped up.

 

[nwmalik]

unfortunately asian cricket is becoming trapped in nationality trap. This has never been the case in the past.
BCCI due to financial reasons is pulling all the strings, and srilanka and BD are going along. If these countries think they will never need pakistan support in future, they r wrong.
If pakistan wants to hold its games in Dubai, why is it a problem for them?
Look at the size of india and the distances between the venues.
In the end it is the intentions that count.
At present the intentions are not sincere.
good luck PCB

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Very simple. It's not PCB's luxury to choose venues for World Cup matches.

It was already stated by ICC that Pakistan's matches will be held in India, Ban,and SL.

Now it is some problem with PCB, which underlines some assumption like, "If we won't host any matches due to our internal problems, and non-presence of security, the we would not let India host matches as well at any cost".

Now BCCI is not a kid to be bullied like that. It will give the befitting reply.

It is always the problem. Problem of not seeing own fault. PCB itself banned its players from playing in IPL and I saw many Pakistanis crying how BCCI conspired against them.

It is the PCB's 'luxury' to take them to court.

Let me paraphrase you, the PCB is not a kid to be bullied and take this lying down. A befitting reply reply will be given.

In addition, the BCCI is not losing out on anything here for you to claim that it is being 'bullied' and has to give a 'reply - thats rather laughable jingosim from you. One would think Pakistan was trying to get India's share of matches listening to you talk.

The reason the four countries won is because of the joint bid prepared by them, otherwise Australia and New Zealand had a very strong bid as well. Pakistan being the second largest partner in that bid, her contribution to the win cannot be ignored. Pakistan is in fact still a co-host, and since the other countries were not going to play those matches on their soil anyway, whether Pakistan holds its share of the matches in Pakistan or in the UAE (provided the logistic and infrastructure exist) should not matter to the BCCI or other boards.

Get this through your heads - these 14 matches were not going to be held on Indian, Sri Lankan or Bangladeshi soil, so it is not their loss to begin with.

 

[nwmalik]

If you forget about history and think...
Here is what happened.

Four countries jointly, together as one, lobbied for hosting the world cup.
One of them got its security situation so screwed up by fate.
It is clear that noone will play in that country.
Naturally the most reasonable way out is that the rest of the countries get those matches. Is it strange that the three countries will want those matches to be held at their venues? However sympathetic these boardss might be with the one board.
But no this one board wants to reject these countries claim for the opportunity. ...giving the gains to a new actor just because it wants to deny these the other countries the credit.

The only basis you have to justify the new venues is that the board has the 'right' to hold them anywhere it wants and that according to rules this has to be done.
Well according to the same rules all others can cut loose one of the members if they ask for unreasonable gifts.



Now tell me where exactly hostility cropped up.

Reasonable way?
So u r the judge.
It is not that u r depriving us of our cricket.
But the way this has been done is smelling rotten.
if the decision was fair then way is ICC concerned about the legal action.
They know the procedure has not been followed.

 

[mhacsan]

^^^^^ To the most of dumb indians. i guess u guys are completely being biased. from winning a warmup game in WCT20 to Hosting rights & logistics. thats is as absurd as u can get.

u r right, the venues are not PCB discreation but ICC, which i am sure u know has no problem, but the constipaton lies somewhere else.

Plus we dont cry, crying is on ur part by making such a huge fuss out of it. its not india problem, its not ur problem to let pakistan matches being set up in space. its Pakistan & ICC problem and we both are allright with it. so thanks for being worried for us.

otherwise we will come to ur land and deprive u of the WC, and then u will go back crying to ICC- as u went to UN during 1965.

dont push us to the limits. u saw what happens when u grow arrogant- Yuraj singh dancing on pakistan losing to Srilanka, and deservely u guys did not even win any game let alone West indies. Oopsssssss

enough said.

 

[Screaming Skull]

First of all congratulations to the Pakistan cricket team for winning the world cup!

Coming back to the point, let us analyze the whole situation rationally.

Assuming that the matches cannot be held in Pakistan at any cost because of safety and security reasons (guess there is no argument contrary to that), we are left with just two possibilities- (1) Share Pakistan’s share of matches between the remaining hosts or (2) hold it in some neutral venue of PCB’s choice.

Looking from PCBs pov, option (1) is ruled out as it doesn’t bring any revenue to the country or the board. However, option (2) makes a lot of sense as it is the second best option to having matches in Pakistan. Looking from BCCI and other boards’ pov, option (1) can create additional revenue while option (2) means no additional revenue; in fact it might lead to losses if the brunt of the new logistics has to borne by these boards. In essence, both sides have valid arguments in their favor.

Solution:
Assuming that there is no animosity or greed involved, BCCI and ICC should allow Pakistan to hold its share of matches in a neutral venue provided PCB accepts to bear any additional expenses or losses to other boards that might arise due to the new formula. Other boards (apart from the hosts) too must have a say and their preferences too must be taken into account to avoid any clash of interests.

 

[Al-zakir]

The sources said Butt also exchanged harsh words with the representative of the Bangladesh board, Mahboob Ali.

"They had an argument with Butt telling Ali Bangladesh also had security issues, so the World Cup matches should not be held there as well," the source said.

Some one tell me Why????

 

[brilTek]

Some one tell me Why????

Sad incident if reported correctly. That shouldn't be happen but possibly because of Bangladeshi board is also opposing Pakistan to host world cup and playing in hands of India.

Security situation isn't good in any hosting country whether its India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh or Pakistan. Then why only target Pakistan? Definitely something fishy is going on.

 

[Jako]

Yesterday even shane warne said,cricket is unsafe in pak.......your captain yunus khan talked bout the volatile nature of pak during the WC........are they also bcci paid???......accept it buddy,pak is unsafe.....and the words you all are saying right now,is out of shear jealousy

 

[wtf]

Very simple. It's not PCB's luxury to choose venues for World Cup matches.

It was already stated by ICC that Pakistan's matches will be held in India, Ban,and SL.

Now it is some problem with PCB, which underlines some assumption like, "If we won't host any matches due to our internal problems, and non-presence of security, the we would not let India host matches as well at any cost".

Now BCCI is not a kid to be bullied like that. It will give the befitting reply.

It is always the problem. Problem of not seeing own fault. PCB itself banned its players from playing in IPL and I saw many Pakistanis crying how BCCI conspired against them.

I did not hear the "if we don't get it, neither will you" statement from PCB. They did say something like that before the Sri Lankan team attack, but not after that. After that it was all "OK, we can't have the game in Pakistan. But can we at least get some revenues so we can pay our players and keep cricket alive in the country ?".

I think that BCCI may have given the appearance of being greedy in this instance. I agree that the WC was sanctioned for India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka. So it is possible to claim that there is no provision to add a new venue (Dubai/Abu Dhabhi). But on the other hand, it also decreases the revenue of PCB since the won't get rights for TV/stadium revenues from India/SL. At the very least I think someone could say that BCCI did not show faith or that it did not help a neighbour.

The bigger problem would be if in two years India and Pakistan settle other contentious issues. BCCI is not a government body (as they famously claimed in Supreme court) - they just have the monopoly on the "India" name in cricket. But on the other hand, cricket is now seen as a tool of diplomacy. So it would have been better if BCCI had acted as if it had full faith in PCB and then let Indian govt. / Pak govt. sort out the differences.

 

[wtf]

Assuming that the matches cannot be held in Pakistan at any cost because of safety and security reasons (guess there is no argument contrary to that), we are left with just two possibilities- (1) Share Pakistan’s share of matches between the remaining hosts or (2) hold it in some neutral venue of PCB’s choice.

Looking from PCBs pov, option (1) is ruled out as it doesn’t bring any revenue to the country or the board. However, option (2) makes a lot of sense as it is the second best option to having matches in Pakistan. Looking from BCCI and other boards’ pov, option (1) can create additional revenue while option (2) means no additional revenue; in fact it might lead to losses if the brunt of the new logistics has to borne by these boards. In essence, both sides have valid arguments in their favor.

Solution:
Assuming that there is no animosity or greed involved, BCCI and ICC should allow Pakistan to hold its share of matches in a neutral venue provided PCB accepts to bear any additional expenses or losses to other boards that might arise due to the new formula. Other boards (apart from the hosts) too must have a say and their preferences too must be taken into account to avoid any clash of interests.

Actually Option 1 is not automatically ruled out. Even if India gives all the ticket revenues and TV rights to Pakistan and holds the game in the country, SL/India will still benefit. Cricket draws in tourists and they spend tons of money on hotels/food/booze. So I'd actually love it if India/SL gave Pakistan its share of revenues while keeping the games in the country. (Assuming that PCB is OK with that and the security situation does not improve).

 

[Awesome]

yes its takes only 1hour 15 min from karachi but imagin they have next match in dhaka or kolkata then what?players won't prefer it.

are you serious about India just wants to take the money away from Pakistan! do you think that bcci is greedy about those 14 match money even they are not claiming to hohs all 14.dude seriously, they made more money then everyone by just organizing the IPL itself. I think your problem is that you got serious issues with INDIA.

I know its embarrasing moment for PCB but what can you do if none wants to play in pakistan.

So imagine if the matches WERE in Karachi?

And they had the next match in Dhaka? First of all, all the planning is done in such a way to give gaps for travel time.

This is no excuse, just more of the lameness that Pakistan is fighting against these days.

BCCI doesn't need the money but it just wants to take the money away from Pakistan and Pakistan wants to host the matches in a neutral venue, then we should be allowed to.

From our side hosting those matches in India is like rewarding the terrorists who struck against the Sri Lankans and we can snub off a little embarrassment to fight the scourge of terror.

 

[wtf]

unfortunately asian cricket is becoming trapped in nationality trap. This has never been the case in the past.
BCCI due to financial reasons is pulling all the strings, and srilanka and BD are going along. If these countries think they will never need pakistan support in future, they r wrong.
If pakistan wants to hold its games in Dubai, why is it a problem for them?
Look at the size of india and the distances between the venues.
In the end it is the intentions that count.
At present the intentions are not sincere.
good luck PCB

Usually I would say that one should ignore arrogance/politics in negotiations. But in this one instance I would say that some of this had a part to play.

BCCI is one of the most political organizations ever. The elections involve actual political lobbying, court cases and criminal diversion of funds (Or at least did until 3 years ago). In such a situation appearing "weak" might be a bigger risk to the incumbent. That is the best case explanation. You can't rule out arrogance or revenge (for Pakistan's earlier statements about Indian security situation).

Add to this PCB trying to block Bangladesh (blaming security situation there) and Sri Lanka's position due to the recent attack on their team.

I hope better sense prevails and there is a way for PCB to either get their share of revenues or in the best case hold the matches there. And I hope BCCI gets to present themselves as acting in a neighbourly manner.

 

[wtf]

Yesterday even shane warne said,cricket is unsafe in pak.......your captain yunus khan talked bout the volatile nature of pak during the WC........are they also bcci paid???......accept it buddy,pak is unsafe.....and the words you all are saying right now,is out of shear jealousy

Yes, but weren't the argument about Dubai/Abu Dhabi ? Those places are safe (afaik. Threats of Dawood/match fixing notwithstanding).

Pakistan has already dropped its requirement of matches. What got BD insulted is that PCB insinuated that Dhaka was unsafe. I don't know what was said about security situation in India.

I'd say let PCB get some money too.

 

[Durran3]

Actually Option 1 is not automatically ruled out. Even if India gives all the ticket revenues and TV rights to Pakistan and holds the game in the country, SL/India will still benefit. Cricket draws in tourists and they spend tons of money on hotels/food/booze. So I'd actually love it if India/SL gave Pakistan its share of revenues while keeping the games in the country. (Assuming that PCB is OK with that and the security situation does not improve).

Though your intentions are good thats simply not a feasable option. Giving money to Pakistan simply because Pakistan can't host the worldcup is not India's or ICC's fault. Its Pakistan's internal matter and the threat posed by terrorists in Pakistan is something that Pakistan will have to suffer with for the next 2 or 3 years. If our games are being hosted by other nations than they are taking responsibility for everything including tourists, hotels, security, logistics etc and the profits should be rightly distributed to them.

Screaming Skull has written a nice piece and his words are spot on!! I think the games hosted by Pakistan should be played in a neutral location as long as Pakistan bears the logistical brunt and expenses. I think thats a feasable option but than again BCCI has to much influence in ICC.