An open letter to the West from a Muslim!

[MastanKhan]

The 2nd Iraq war by a hawkish Jr.Bush was unjustified and a big mistake that fatally destabilized that region.

Having said that, their Afghanistan war did something good for the humanity and the people of Afghanistan, there were unfortunate civilian deaths, but the people were not exactly 'living' under the Taliban rule.

Sadly, Taliban is still alive and present in Afghanistan because Pakistan kept them alive as their 'strategic asset' to regain control of Afghanistan after Americans leave that place, it was a short-sighted strategy of Pakistan that will cost the world, and particularly Pakistan dearly.

Hi,

Thank you for your post---the reason to attack was to take out OBL and his cohorts---the reasoning changed midstride and then the U S got raped by the afghan warlords---. They suckered the americans in and stole every thing that they could lay their hands on.

The americans should have gone in better prepared and should never had let the OBL and his team escape from afg. It was the arrogance of the America military----" we will get them when ever we want to " that put the stamp of failure on the afghan war.

What the americans did when they entered Iraq was incomprehensible---. They did not take charge of the nation that they conquered---how did tht happen---either the god knows or the americans know.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Hi,

Thank you for your post---the reason to attack was to take out OBL and his cohorts---the reasoning changed midstride and then the U S got raped by the afghan warlords---. They suckered the americans in and stole every thing that they could lay their hands on.

The americans should have gone in better prepared and should never had let the OBL and his team escape from afg. It was the arrogance of the America military----" we will get them when ever we want to " that put the stamp of failure on the afghan war.

What the americans did when they entered Iraq was incomprehensible---. They did not take charge of the nation that they conquered---how did tht happen---either the god knows or the americans know.

Americans did what they could do in Afghanistan ; They lost money and manpower
BUT still today they are the number one superpower in the world

But the country that has been the biggest sufferer has been Pakistan

As you always say if Pakistan HAD taken out OBL and Mullah Omar in 2002
Pakistan would have been a different country today

And the US- Pakistan relationship would have been INFINTELY better

@MastanKhan

US attacked Iraq purely out of REVENGE and to send a message to the
Islamic world ; it wanted to KILL Muslims

Iraq was a SYMBOLIC target

 

[Solomon2]

Letter and discussion reminds me of A German's View on Islam:

'Very few people were true Nazis,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come...

 

[punit]

Learn to read the answer in its correct perspective. 'YOU' was not a collective act of any one government or a nation unlike YOU who have waged wars and killed millions in the name of YOUR strategic interests from Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Afghanistan, Iraq, South Americas.

and than these great souls shed tears when Peshawar Happens !!

 

[MastanKhan]

Letter and discussion reminds me of A German's View on Islam:

'Very few people were true Nazis,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come...

Hi,

Your comments are agreeable somewhat----but it s not as simple as the Nazi germany. This time criminal element is the U S govt---executing Saddam and Qaddafi and creating a war in Syria and thus giving rise to the terrorists.

Muslims did not ask the americans to kill a million and a half Iraqis---create Abu Ghraib and let Lyndi England and her boyfriend do her thing at that jail.

That is for the middle east---but for Pakistan----I would agree a 100% with your comments. Pakistan should have killed the terrorists when they saw the American turning their backs to the job they came to do. It was sheer stupidity on the part of paks to do what they did.

 

[Hiptullha]

The problems is Majority of Muslim countries is that they cannot properly rule themselves. This gives the opportunity for extremists to run their own affairs in their own way leading to terrorism in other parts of the world. Why do people forget that Afghanistan was a reaction to 9/11 and Taliban's obduracy to hand over Osama to US.



These brainwashed will never get. They feel they are the victims, but they don't realize that they are problem.

9/11 was a reaction to Lebanon, according to OBL. We can go back decades if we're gonna talk about "reactions" and it all comes down to the Western powers. Not that I'm saying Muslims aren't responsible for many things either.

I have a feeling that the West is soon going to start asking you guys to get lost from their lands.

Don't know if that's going to be unilateral or a quid pro quo though, with them stopping to invade or occupy your lands, or continuing unabated, even with increased vigor.

In the end I guess it will boil down to what each side can do, and make the other do.

How is your wrist mending btw?

It's funny because most of the immigrants in the West right now were invited in the 1960s (specifically countries like UK and Germany) due to labour shortages whereas the US and Western coalition stepped in Iraq and Afghanistan. You're comparing two completely different things.

The whole world belongs to Allah SWT. There is also another problem - the Lebanon case.
Lebanon was Christian majority till 1960s. Then became Muslim majority. When it happens in say France, what will the remaining non believers in France do?

Became Muslim majority after a civil war between socialists, pan-Arabists, nationalists, pro-West forces and pro-Soviet forces. No need to put an entire conflict which took place during the Cold War with multiple neighbors and foreign powers interfering in the state affairs under the blanket of religious hatred. It shows you ignorant you are.

Sadly, Taliban is still alive and present in Afghanistan because Pakistan kept them alive as their 'strategic asset' to regain control of Afghanistan after Americans leave that place, it was a short-sighted strategy of Pakistan that will cost the world, and particularly Pakistan dearly.

No point taking a humanitarian stance in this when we look at Indian and Iranian support for the Northern Alliance. Do you think you can criticize Pakistan for supporting the Taliban when you supported tribal leaders who clashed with one another over ethnic differences, drug barons who still maintain hold over the country's economy and pedophiles who'd keep young boys as sexual playthings?

 

[DrawingDead]

Question is why Jihadi organizations attacking but not Muslims states Arabs/Iranians/Pakistan not official invading you people to convert or be ruled and killed? please make some sense nobody really wants to put real effort in converting hindus zakir niak is trying but failing grab him first can you?

I can answer that for you. Because they don't have the power to defeat them. If the roles were reversed and Pakistan was the larger state and Hindus were the smaller state, you'd have overrun them a long time ago. Being more powerful than Pakistan, Iran and the Arabs COMBINED is the only thing that's kept them from getting wiped out. Plus being friends with the erstwhile Soviet Union didn't hurt either. If the muslims had as much power as the US, they'd have wiped out the rest of the world a long time ago.

Letter and discussion reminds me of A German's View on Islam:

'Very few people were true Nazis,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come...

I can't think of a more perfect parallel to what's happening in the Muslim world today.

 

[Hiptullha]

Americans did what they could do in Afghanistan ; They lost money and manpower
BUT still today they are the number one superpower in the world

But the country that has been the biggest sufferer has been Pakistan

As you always say if Pakistan HAD taken out OBL and Mullah Omar in 2002
Pakistan would have been a different country today

And the US- Pakistan relationship would have been INFINTELY better

@MastanKhan

US attacked Iraq purely out of REVENGE and to send a message to the
Islamic world ; it wanted to KILL Muslims

Iraq was a SYMBOLIC target

Pakistan would be even worse if the Taliban hadn't been in Afghanistan. Iran was using the Shias to gain some strength in the country. Iran has supported Shia militant groups in Pakistan in the past, but most of them had been crushed. Now with an entire nation at their disposal, imagine the problems which would have arisen in Pakistan with stronger Shia groups shooting up Sunnis. The insurgency in Afghanistan has caused problems for Pakistan, but without it, we'd have been another Iraq.

I can answer that for you. Because they don't have the power to defeat them. If the roles were reversed and Pakistan was the larger state and Hindus were the smaller state, you'd have overrun them a long time ago.

It's funny because previous Indian leaders did plan to invade Pakistan.

I can't think of a more perfect parallel to what's happening in the Muslim world today.

That is a Western-Muslim problem.
Muslims in the Middle East and South East Asia don't have such a problem with Muslims too busy or unaffected to care or just sympathize because "why the heck not." Militant groups here have a lot of money and build institutions which aren't there. They provide schools, hospitals, orphanages which the government has failed to provide. They own lots of land, have connections with government officials, gangsters, and the elite. Such was the case with Sudan. OBL was welcomed there because of the fact that he had invested a lot in the country.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

No need to put an entire conflict which took place during the Cold War with multiple neighbors and foreign powers interfering in the state affairs under the blanket of religious hatred. It shows you ignorant you are.

The reason is not what is important. The repercussions are. My or your religious hatreds are irrelevant and so is my alleged ignorance. The question remains valid - what's the non Muslim population to do when the country becomes majority Muslim?

No point taking a humanitarian stance in this when we look at Indian and Iranian support for the Northern Alliance. Do you think you can criticize Pakistan for supporting the Taliban when you supported tribal leaders who clashed with one another over ethnic differences, drug barons who still maintain hold over the country's economy and pedophiles who'd keep young boys as sexual playthings?

It is not a humanitarian stance. We criticize you not to wish that you act upon them and improve yourself but to isolate you. We should shake hands with the devil as long as it keeps further future Islamic invasions from happening. As a disbelieving country that is in our interest, no?

It's funny because previous Indian leaders did plan to invade Pakistan.

We are not so stupid to invade (West)Pakistan. No point in adding problems in our lives.

Iraq was a SYMBOLIC target

Iraq was the wrong target. And so was Afghanistan to some extent. They were only symptoms of the major problem that still thrives to this day.

 

[Hiptullha]

We should shake hands with the devil as long as it keeps further future Islamic invasions from happening.

How does supporting corrupt, petty and brutal criminals save you from future Islamic invasions? This is a nice meme you're perpetuating, about how India is a poor, helpless, naive, and pure Hindu baby wrapped in White cloth who is at the mercy of an Islamist invader, but besides your own gullible Indian populace, no one else buys it.

The reason is not what is important. The repercussions are. My or your religious hatreds are irrelevant and so is my alleged ignorance. The question remains valid - what's the non Muslim population to do when the country becomes majority Muslim?

It is. No leader or party mindlessly wiped out minority groups. When Assad defeated the Ikhwaan, he tortured, murdered and forced countless Islamists into exile. When Saddam defeated the Dawa Party, he made sure that living in Iraq was unbearable for the Shias. Pahlavi, Gaddafi, Nasser, almost every single Muslim leader and organisation did, regardless of political and religious affiliation. I don't support it. It's been an unfortunate and ugly part of modern history.

We are not so stupid to invade (West)Pakistan. No point in adding problems in our lives.

It seems your previous leaders didn't share your mindset.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

This is a nice meme you're perpetuating, about how India is a poor, helpless, naive, and pure Hindu baby wrapped in White cloth who is at the mercy of an Islamist invader, but besides your own gullible Indian populace, no one else buys it.

On the contrary. We are evil and we know it. We just don't want us to become a 'poor, helpless, naive and pure Hindu baby wrapped in White cloth' again.

And all our leaders were aware of this. Otherwise you wouldn't exist.

 

[Hiptullha]

On the contrary. We are evil and we know it. We just don't want us to become a 'poor, helpless, naive and pure Hindu baby wrapped in White cloth' again.

My point is, stop bringing up this sort of rubbish in your points. It's not amusing or anything hearing something regurgitated a million times by a million different people.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

My point is, stop bringing up this sort of rubbish in your points. It's not amusing or anything hearing something regurgitated a million times by a million different people.

Point is you don't have a point, besides making personal attacks.

 

[Hiptullha]

Point is you don't have a point, besides making personal attacks.

I've made no personal attack so far besides stating you were ignorant, which I feel was a perfectly fine thing to say when you tried to claim that the results of the Lebanese Civil War were solely based on religious hatred.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

I've made no personal attack so far besides stating you were ignorant, which I feel was a perfectly fine thing to say when you tried to claim that the results of the Lebanese Civil War were solely based on religious hatred.

Never made any claim as that. I asked a question, answer to which I am yet to get. But I won't get that from you. I get that. Today is a good day, and I don't want to descend to a lower level to play on even terms.