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An open letter to the West from a Muslim!

The US and the UK made a mess of it. They attacked the wrong countries - over and over again.

Of course they did,but they had all the support from the Monarchies and Dictatorships in Middle East for their actions,why aren't the muslims pissed off over them?

India on the other hand just saying has nothing to do with any invasion, so why do we get routinely attacked by Jihadis?
Understand their ideology of Darul-Harb and Darul-Islam, no matter how good non-islamic countries try to be with muslims for them we are kafirs and need to be punished of converted,don't reason with such people as it leads to nowhere.
 
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Good point. Muslims are united. Except for a very few liberals. Thou shalt have no apology, no introspection. Anyone who does so is a lackey of the West.

Time will tell what the non Muslims will come up with in response.

The whole world belongs to Allah SWT. There is also another problem - the Lebanon case.
Lebanon was Christian majority till 1960s. Then became Muslim majority. When it happens in say France, what will the remaining non believers in France do? :)

The US and the UK made a mess of it. They attacked the wrong countries - over and over again.

Listen why apologize and beg for it for something I personally did not commit. Why Western world wants apology and blame every individual Muslim? Should I blame Coalition forces of WW2 for mascaraing German forces or should I blame Christian Armies both Coalition and opposition German/Italians being "Christians" for killing more than a million Christian soldiers and the jews were rejoicing that christian were killing each other. I can safely say so called muslim terrorists have not killed million plus muslims/non muslims in span of 70 years as people got killed by christians in WW2 alone.

Those idiot hand picked 25000 Germans recently that came on the road against Muslims being anti Muslims should go back and read their history for killing lot of jews and coalition christian Armies by same German christians.
 
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How about tag them kafir and get rid of daily bashing by non muslim world instead of feeling bad what these groups are doing better say we don't know them they are not Muslims and lets get over with it...i personally really don't care what has happened in france by some people to others because i am not interested in taking blame on me and my religion and go to every one and beg them to forgive us for what someone else did..NO Ma'am not gonna happen i will not beg let french people cry and mourn to ask for begging that's exactly what they want for Muslims to be bent and apologetic..how about france say sorry for atrocities in Africa in Algeria No? If No by them so No from us.

Sometimes we as a Muslim when talking about World Politics and Code Ethics, using double standards and has using every reasons to made a convenient for ourselves. We are taking so much pains for every little insult we get and doesn't bother at all if some "Muslim" doing something horrible to other peoples.

If Muslim get offended by what the West has doing during Operation Iraqi Freedom or Operation Enduring Freedom or so on, why we doesn't feel ashamed when our Brother killing much Christian in South Sudan? Why we don't feel ashamed when some Jihadi Organizations using their power to abuse unarmed Civilian minority either in Iraq or Syria? And if some Muslim in Pakistan and Indonesia get offended by what the West doing to their brother in Iraq and Afghanistan, why the West has not the right to thinking the same when some Muslim authority using their Power to abuse Christian minorities in their perspective countries?
 
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When did India meddling in Muslim nations affairs.Well Pakistan is just another case where you guys attacked us four times.Except that we didnt send expeditionary forces to kill other nations civilians.Dont drag us uncessarily.
When US/UK and their cronies like Israel/India do meddling in other countries affairs, it is strategic interests, when the Muslim countries do the same, it is terrorism.

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The writer is a scholar of constitutional democracy and has written widely on human rights and international law in academic journals and newspaper outlets including The Guardian and Foreign Policy

This week, the British Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government wrote aletter to Muslim leaders in Britain urging them to do more to combat radicalisation. This article is a response to the letter.

Dear Rt Hon Pickles and Lord Ahmad,

Peace be upon you too, or, Waalaykum Asalam.

Thank you for your letter to Muslims living in Britain.

In this difficult climate, where violence and extremism has been testing bonds of inter-communal harmony and tolerance, your letter reaching out to us means a lot. In particular, we appreciate that you acknowledge that “acts of extremism are not representative of Islam”. We also wholeheartedly agree that “there is more work to do” and that “integration and radicalisation cannot be solved from Whitehall alone. Strong community-based leadership at a local level is needed”.

We share your concerns: we are also alarmed and concerned about the rise of fundamentalism and extremism within the Muslim community. The Paris incident shocked Muslims as much as it shocked non-Muslims. As a religious community, we fully recognise that if individuals within our community are inciting hatred or depriving others of rights — whether that be the right to life, to freedom of expression, to speech or any other right — we as leaders and indeed the community must help discourage such actions, in particular by persuading youth vulnerable to commit such acts to refrain from them and express their disagreements in peaceful ways.

Yet, we cannot do this without your help. Indeed, until you share our burden and take concrete steps to defeat the root causes of radicalisation, I am afraid we will just be pointing fingers at each other and will achieve little. That is, the challenges of radicalisation cannot be solved in mosques alone; the British government has a much larger role to play than you seem to acknowledge.

Let me explain.

As experienced British politicians, you must know that in order to persuade anyone to do anything differently, one must have credibility. That is, we must not come across as Janus-faced or hypocritical when we talk about “values” and “rights”.

And therein lies the problem.

British politicians and government continually deploy the rhetoric of ‘British values’, ‘human rights’ and ‘freedoms’ internationally to do precisely what the extremists do; that is, ‘destroy’ the freedoms of those who look or talk and believe differently to us. Britain has violated international norms and human rights on multiple occasions. Indeed, we have seen terrible things committed in the name of ‘British’ or ‘Western’ values. Such actions are an affront to the greatness of Britain.

How then can we persuade others that we are serious when it comes to, as you say, “free speech, the rule of law and democracy”?

Here is what we think you can do to change things. You, as persons in power in Britain, are in a unique position in British society. You have a precious and historic opportunity, and an important responsibility. We believe that together we have an opportunity to demonstrate the true nature of British values and demonstrate that we actually believe our own rhetoric about rights and that we will not apply them selectively and with discrimination.

Accordingly, we have a few simple suggestions.

First, you must assure us that you will not drag Britain or its values down by continuing to invade weaker countries in the name of ‘self-defence’ causing immense destruction. Around 350,000 people have been killed by the wars started by Britain and its ally, the United States, since 2001 alone. At the very least, 174,000 of these were civilians who never attacked nor harmed Britain. You may craft interesting theoretical arguments to justify why British violence was somehow different or justifiable; you may say that the attacks of 9/11, which killed around 2,753 innocent people motivated these “necessary” invasions but that is precisely the kind of causal logic that terrorist groups deploy to justify attacks against British or Western interests; the difference lies in their choice of words — they use the rhetoric of ‘Islam’ and you invoke the rhetoric of ‘Western values’. The bottom line does not lie: 174,000 innocent people have been killed. Simply because we do not see 350,000 dead or hear their stories on television does not erase the enormous magnitude of destruction that Britain has participated in.

Next, you must promise us that Britain will not aid or abet or participate in illegal and aggressive wars: yes, by this, we mean Iraq; it was not so long ago that a government of Britain acted in concert with George W Bush to invade a country that had not attacked any other country, on false pretexts, such as the existence of “weapons of mass destruction” or because, as Tony Blair felt “Saddam was a “monster”. Today, Iraq is a broken country with hundreds of thousands of families devastated. Can you promise that Britain will never again take actions that tear a country apart and rob people of the right to life?

Moving on, you must put systems in place so that Britain does not continue to violate or help others violate humanitarian law. Will you commit that Britain will never again help other countries (by for example, providing intelligence) or act on its own, in bombing and killing women and children as they sleep or attend weddings and funerals several thousand miles away from the British border, through drone attacks or otherwise?

We know European lives matter, but so do the lives of children and women in Pakistan. The United States says it miraculously only targets the guilty, but surely we in Britain do not believe in being judge and executioner on such a large scale?
Further, it is now common knowledge that “in recent years a number of people who have been subjected to torture and other ill-treatment in Guantanamo Bay, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt and Morocco and elsewhere have alleged that UK officials knew of their ill-treatment and not only did nothing to prevent it but actively assisted their abusers”. Can you promise that Britain will not be complicit in violating the right not to be tortured or engage in ‘extraordinary rendition’ again?


We must also not be two-faced when we talk about the ‘rule of law’ and ‘free speech’ whilst quietly aiding regimes abroad that believe in the precise opposite of such values: one need not look any further than the Middle East to see how Britain beds itself with regimes that have little regard for “British values”, lest we forget that the “monster” Blair referred to (Saddam) was a friend of Britain, even as he gassed the Kurds. Indeed, “£2.35billion of loans [were] handed out to foreign … countries much of [which] has been spent on British-made arms, which are then used to control citizens of repressive regimes.”

Finally, in the same way that Muslims in Britain have been asked to identify vulnerable persons who are at risk of radicalisation, it is only fair that you do precisely the same by invoking the rule of law and punishing those in positions of power who ended up wrecking countless non-European lives and countries.

We are confident that if we together work by taking steps to truly and visibly signal that freedom and human rights matter, we can be successful and treat the cancer of ideological radicalism and overcome those who wish to spread war and destruction, whether in the name of ‘Islam’ or the ‘West’.

We welcome your thoughts, ideas and initiatives on how to ensure that Britain’s true message of peace triumphs over those who have tortured British values in recent times.

Yours faithfully,

Muslim leaders.

Published in The Express Tribune, January 23rd, 2015.
An open letter to the West from a Muslim – The Express Tribune

When Japan attacked US during WW2, US immediately responded by rounding up some 100,000+ Japanese Americans into internment camps to make sure they do not go on a kamikaze spree inside US to avenge their Imperial Japan's "honour"! This act was later condemned as racially motivated and those suffered were finally compensated by future US governments, but overall it saved US from kamikaze style terrorist attacks emerging from within its soil by Japanese Americans. Now I wonder if they had the guts to do the same after 9/11 terrorist attacks? Rounding up all American Muslims in internment camps until the end of war on terror to make sure where their real loyalties are? :D

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Britions sins didnt end there.What about their actionin Indian Subcontinent .?Their divide and rule that caused partition with millions of death.What about Israel and Palestine ?
 
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Because we have not converted. That is the most important reason.
Yes, indeed.That is why i say don't listen to those apologists they wont change nor will there be any reform in Islam as some liberals in other religions think about,it won't happen ever.Soon the whole world become Islamophobic as more such attacks continue.
 
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Sometimes we as a Muslim when talking about World Politics and Code Ethics, using double standards and has using every reasons to made a convenient for ourselves. We are taking so much pains for every little insult we get and doesn't bother at all if some "Muslim" doing something horrible to other peoples.

If Muslim get offended by what the West has doing during Operation Iraqi Freedom or Operation Enduring Freedom or so on, why we doesn't feel ashamed when our Brother killing much Christian in South Sudan? Why we don't feel ashamed when some Jihadi Organizations using their power to abuse unarmed Civilian minority either in Iraq or Syria? And if some Muslim in Pakistan and Indonesia get offended by what the West doing to their brother in Iraq and Afghanistan, why the West has not the right to thinking the same when some Muslim authority using their Power to abuse Christian minorities in their perspective countries?

Well i know that magazine publisher posted nasty stuff but Islamically it is in hands of Muslims Organization like OIC and Muslims heads/Govt to deal it officially not some random so called muslim to go and take action according to sharia people bash sharia but they don't know these are same laws that west applies [don't wanna make mess so i will not talk more about sharia only intelligent neutral people should discuss it and i am sure i will find very few people on this board]...Again its not in my hands maybe you are right Muslims should get out and protest what other people are doing in sudan and other parts of Muslim countries including afg and Pakistan by taliban but than again we should simply lable them non muslims just as Islam clearly states those who kill are out of Islam [on such large scale like taliban/AQ] so since they are non muslims commit atrocities murder in countries coming out and teaching them about islam and they should not do that is pointless. I don't feel ashamed and nor do consider these so called jihadi Orgs or groups killing muslim for me they are Kafir and non muslims as they are already defined by Islam as Khawariji nor out of the folds of islam so our efforts should be to eliminate them not feel sad ashamed and beg on their behalf that we apologize to west on their behalf NOPE lets be clear Muslim population needs to REEDUCATE ourselves our only effort should be we don't know them nor do we have to do anything with us take or or leave to this should be directed to west i would personally ignore the big loud mouths of west instead of confronting and clarifying things to them they are not my masters i am not under them.
 
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Sometimes we as a Muslim when talking about World Politics and Code Ethics, using double standards and has using every reasons to made a convenient for ourselves. We are taking so much pains for every little insult we get and doesn't bother at all if some "Muslim" doing something horrible to other peoples.

Okay you seem to be pretty much expert about Muslim affairs, can you please tell me strength of all Jihadis, exactly how many of them are out there?
 
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Because we have not converted. That is the most important reason.

Question is why Jihadi organizations attacking but not Muslims states Arabs/Iranians/Pakistan not official invading you people to convert or be ruled and killed? please make some sense nobody really wants to put real effort in converting hindus zakir niak is trying but failing grab him first can you?
 
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Because we have not converted. That is the most important reason.

Routinely? Seriously? Come on at least I expected a reasonable response from a commentator like you. You are being attacked because you did convert and that too on routine basis o_O
 
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Routinely? Seriously? Come on at least I expected a reasonable response from a commentator like you. You are being attacked because you did convert and that too on routine basis o_O
Yes. Harsh and unreal it may sound, but such is the truth.

Question is why Jihadi organizations attacking but not Muslims states Arabs/Iranians/Pakistan not official invading you people to convert or be ruled and killed? please make some sense nobody really wants to put real effort in converting hindus zakir niak is trying but failing grab him first can you?
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Zakir Naik has been banned from holding his fake shows. Yup, most of his shows on TV were fake. After the fiasco, he has almost gone into hiding. :P

Countries don't attack because of a variety of reasons. Nations can't behave like unruly babies. Proxies can. Like regular armies can't take out bin Ladens but covert ops teams can. Secondly, not all countries consider spreading Islam a first priority. May be they should (considering the importance of Dawah), but then there are 4 fiqhs anyway. The Muslim world is highly divided. The ones who follow every letter and word of the scriptures are the ones who are attacking. These 'Jihadi'* organizations are united in sharp contrast to the bickering states of the ME for example.

Jihad is a religious obligation of a believer, so Jihadi organization is rather confusing. :(
 
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Yes. Harsh and unreal it may sound, but such is the truth.


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Zakir Naik has been banned from holding his fake shows. Yup, most of his shows on TV were fake. After the fiasco, he has almost gone into hiding. :P

Countries don't attack because of a variety of reasons. Nations can't behave like unruly babies. Proxies can. Like regular armies can't take out bin Ladens but covert ops teams can. Secondly, not all countries consider spreading Islam a first priority. May be they should (considering the importance of Dawah), but then there are 4 fiqhs anyway. The Muslim world is highly divided. The ones who follow every letter and word of the scriptures are the ones who are attacking. These 'Jihadi'* organizations are united in sharp contrast to the bickering states of the ME for example.

Jihad is a religious obligation of a believer, so Jihadi organization is rather confusing. :(

Thanks for your post you look man with Intelligence...now that is why i am saying branding entire Muslims as terrorists is stupid notion and insane by West their media and Govts. It is them who should educate themselves and know and understand more about Islam. Dawah can be done by hindus in other countries just like Christians missionaries are doing in africa and other remote and parts of the world so why people blame muslims that they are doing dawah. 4 or 100 Fighs people with intelligence would pick Islam and study Quran & Hadith one don't become kafir to pick fiqh i don't call my self sunni shia baralvi or whatever because i studied and know My Prophet never told us anything about it except said be Muslim not even sunni or shia existed 1400 years ago so why should i pick innovation. Instead of west picking Muslim states a.ss both west and east Muslim states should join together to find who is behind these organizations this is the simplest way but why has it become difficult you may believe me or not but west and some arab states have interest in it for worldly greed pretty clear that is economic and their sect ruling the state. Essentially for example Pak is ruined by KSA/Qatar/U.A.E/US/UK and a few more states for their objectives. For exmaple had US contributed and cooperated with Pakistan just like Turkey it would have been a peaceful calm state like Turkey pointed towards economic progress it was US that made it violent by hiring and arming jihadis from across afghanistan and tribal Pakistan not to mention it is very easy to hire people for exchange of dollars may it be terrorist and govt offical like zia ul haq.
 
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Sometimes we as a Muslim when talking about World Politics and Code Ethics, using double standards and has using every reasons to made a convenient for ourselves. We are taking so much pains for every little insult we get and doesn't bother at all if some "Muslim" doing something horrible to other peoples.

If Muslim get offended by what the West has doing during Operation Iraqi Freedom or Operation Enduring Freedom or so on, why we doesn't feel ashamed when our Brother killing much Christian in South Sudan? Why we don't feel ashamed when some Jihadi Organizations using their power to abuse unarmed Civilian minority either in Iraq or Syria? And if some Muslim in Pakistan and Indonesia get offended by what the West doing to their brother in Iraq and Afghanistan, why the West has not the right to thinking the same when some Muslim authority using their Power to abuse Christian minorities in their perspective countries?

firstly, i didn't know you were muslim. :)

secondly, when christians were attacked by mullah-led mobs in pakistan, pakistani muslims on pdf condemned those attacks... on pdf, muslims welcomed christmas happily... our true syrian member, syrian lion, is christian and cheers the syrian army despite the army being majority muslim... things like those.

if you look at things at big-picture level, you will see the cause of problems... it is the western bloc which includes many so-called muslim states ( like saudia or brunei ), and this reason is understood by christians of syria, for example... didn't iraq have christians until the 2003 western bloc invasion??
 
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Learn to read the answer in its correct perspective. 'YOU' was not a collective act of any one government or a nation unlike YOU who have waged wars and killed millions in the name of YOUR strategic interests from Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Afghanistan, Iraq, South Americas.
In other words, Muslims see themselves at war with non-Muslims for and terrorism is a preferred way of fighting.

Except I don't think Muslims are fighting non-Muslims for "strategic reasons" - like national security - but for ideological ones: to establish Islamic supremacy. To make others bow down to Muslims. The author of the article makes his attitude perfectly clear: he doesn't think Muslims should do anything to alleviate the fears or improve the security of non-Muslims unless non-Muslims obey Muslim wishes, as if non-Muslims were servants or slaves rather than possessing the equal status promised after the 19th-century Ottoman tanzimat reforms and again after WWI and the dissolution of the Caliphate. It's about Muslims betraying the demonstrated goodwill and blessings they've received from non-Muslims.

Well, I'm not buying that all Muslims feel the way you do. But they will have to organize themselves politically and even militarily to oppose your like. Some Muslim leaders call for unity; what they really want is to reign unchallenged and exercise their will to the maximum extent, to be as much of a tyrant as they can be. The modern world has better ways of governance and finer ways of treating people than reducing them to mere subjects or objects of blind hatred via false accusations of injustice.
 
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The agency trained those dogs----they had just come back and wanted t tell how good they had become.

All this terrorist activity that we here is out of sheer stupidity of the americans---George Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld---they went to attack the al Qaeda in afg without any troops on the ground---they started with air strikes and thought that would do the job----they hired cut throats and mercenaries and drug lords to seek the revenge of 3000 dead americans----those took American money and looted and plundered the dollar and let the terrorists escape.

It is because of the fcuk up of the U S military that here are terrs---you stupid morons cme over here or any other place and star bitching and moaning---.

You fools don't get it by now that what is happening now is the creation of the americans----. Americans generals are biggest duffers that you could ever find in the world history of warfare of the last 5000 years---.

With such a massive focre at hand---they intentionally allowed all the known terrorists escape the gauntlet----evry one of them escaped----and you smart arse---you did not even know that yoru military did not even have troops to go into the mountains of tora bora and kill the terrs---the U S military had no troops it to fight at high altitude---.

And then you gave a great gift to the terrorists---LYNDI ENGLAND & Her Security Guard Boy Friend at the Iraqi prison. These were your best prison guards to increase the recruitment drive by the terrorists of those coming ot of Abou Gharaib---.

This great country the U S A is the greatest super power that ever was----but its current breed of generals is the stupidest of them all. If these generals were the generals of King Ricards army---he would have had them quartered---families executed and confiscated their lands----if these generals were ever to lead one of the flanks of Ghengis Khans army---with these results----he would have executed them and whole of their tribe----if these guys were ever the generals of the roan armies---the roman senate would have done what King Richard would have done.

Guy---what you are seeing now----it is the result of what your generals were supposed to d in the first three to six months of the invasion of afghanistan----.

To stop any insurgency---time is of utmost importance----that's why Ghengis Khan's armies succeeded in every campaign he started----he started with a lightening speed and then he butchered them till none were left and same thing Alexander did and Ceasar did the same and every other successful commander did the same---except for the American generals strutting around with their smart weapons.

You give time to an insurgency---it will grow faster than any cancer that you have seen---the terrorists are only afraid f your fire power for the first few days only----then they get used to it and then as their fear factor is gone and you don't have the ballz to finish them off---you going to lose in the end.




Most attacks in Israel are a knee jerk reaction---many a cases it is instantaneous---so very difficult to stop----but still Israelis stop many many of them.

This 9/11 case----it was known that they were coming---it was known that the twin towers were a target---it was known that planes would be used---. Most of the perps were known---but one agy would not tell the ther agy.

What happened here was what agency did to the bureau was what the PAF had done to Pak navy in 1971----. The agency never shared te info with the bureau----in the same manner---paf was informed that a Fokker flight coming from the emirates---the pilot saw a warship towing missile boats behind it---the air chief said let navy worry for its problems---after the destruction when he was asked why did you not act----he did his best britsh accent and stated " It happens ole boy. "

The 2nd Iraq war by a hawkish Jr.Bush was unjustified and a big mistake that fatally destabilized that region.

Having said that, their Afghanistan war did something good for the humanity and the people of Afghanistan, there were unfortunate civilian deaths, but the people were not exactly 'living' under the Taliban rule.

Sadly, Taliban is still alive and present in Afghanistan because Pakistan kept them alive as their 'strategic asset' to regain control of Afghanistan after Americans leave that place, it was a short-sighted strategy of Pakistan that will cost the world, and particularly Pakistan dearly.
 
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