American Propaganda: China will Reclaim Siberia

[Superboy]

And Russia will reclaim Alaska? China never had Siberia anytime during its history. China had Manchuria which it still has and China had Mongolia but lost Outer Mongolia after the 1911 Revolution.

Wah wah wah the US is going to annex Canada wah wah wah

 

[senheiser]

NY Times isn't run by the government, so "propaganda" in its pure form is not an accurate term.

People have the freedom to write what they want and have it be published. And everyone else has the right to question it openly, dismiss it outright, or not even read it.

This op-ed is a fairly innocuous one compared to the constant daily barrage on non-sense about how the US is determined to perfect its earthquake machine before declaring the whole ME belongs to Israel, or that Washington is only days away from invading Russia.

what universities they studied? All sponsored by the US government. US Students get material to read about gulags all the time, but not one time american school teach about the fact that russia alone won world war 2

 

[boomslang]

...but not one time american school teach about the fact that russia alone won world war 2

Everyone knows it was the French who single-handedly won WWII. Oui-oui !!

 

[Superboy]

Everyone knows it was the French who single-handedly won WWII. Oui-oui !!

A lot of French people died fighting in the resistance. That's why France got a huge chunk of Germany during the post WW2 occupation period. Without France's chunk, West Germany likely would have been too small to reunited with East Germany.

 

[boomslang]

A lot of French people died fighting in the resistance. That's why France got a huge chunk of Germany during the post WW2 occupation period. Without France's chunk, West Germany likely would have been too small to reunited with East Germany.

We gave them that chunk out of sympathy.

 

[Dem!god]

i am sure Chinese will create problems for Russia in later stages... 15-20 years from.now china will have the might to challenge Russia and then they will start creating the problem in Siberia.... currently they have sided with them but its highly speculative....

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

As China and Russia get closer, expect the "China will take Siberia" articles to flood out even more in the American media. Before, they were mostly limited to obscure neocon magazines like The National Interest and The Diplomat. Now even "mainstream" media like NYT has been directed to run them.

I'm trying to get a handle on the Chinese mindset on this one. Why is Russia exempt from Chinese rage against the "century of humiliation," and instead directs the rage at the US, which was not involved in dissecting China? Why does China reach back in history to justify the "nine dash line," but rushes to renounce any historical claims on Siberia?

 

[Genesis]

I'm trying to get a handle on the Chinese mindset on this one. Why is Russia exempt from Chinese rage against the "century of humiliation," and instead directs the rage at the US, which was not involved in dissecting China? Why does China reach back in history to justify the "nine dash line," but rushes to renounce any historical claims on Siberia?

Why does America work with Britain when Germany was the one that helped the US in most cases before WW1. For power.

Russia, China, America, can be said the three pillars of world power. Right now America s stronger than both combined, so as it is, we will unite. If and when China or Russia gets strong enough this alliance will end.

The nine dash line benefits us, it makes our nation invincible in our near seas.


US did partake in destroying China, your California law has the law that no matter who shoots during an robbery that killed all gets the same sentence, so it's not like this tension is unjust in anyway.


But mostly, it's a power struggle, and a super power US can't be not involved.

 

[mandrom]

i am sure Chinese will create problems for Russia in later stages... 15-20 years from.now china will have the might to challenge Russia and then they will start creating the problem in Siberia.... currently they have sided with them but its highly speculative....

I doubt. I think though if china becomes superpower and has the money ,it will try to buy Chukchi peninsuala or Yakutia or Jewish autonomous oblast from Russia for gold or yuan. But you never know ,if Israel ceases to exist due to the onslaught of ISIS ,then the jews will migrate back to Jewish autonomous oblast in Eastern Russia ,though it would more likely Canada or Australia..

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

Why does America work with Britain when Germany was the one that helped the US in most cases before WW1. For power.

Russia, China, America, can be said the three pillars of world power. Right now America s stronger than both combined, so as it is, we will unite. If and when China or Russia gets strong enough this alliance will end.

The nine dash line benefits us, it makes our nation invincible in our near seas.


US did partake in destroying China, your California law has the law that no matter who shoots during an robbery that killed all gets the same sentence, so it's not like this tension is unjust in anyway.


But mostly, it's a power struggle, and a super power US can't be not involved.

Can you please elaborate, "Germany was the one that helped the US in most cases before WWI," since Germany only came into existence in 1871?

How did the US partake in destroying China?

 

[mandrom]

what universities they studied? All sponsored by the US government. US Students get material to read about gulags all the time, but not one time american school teach about the fact that russia alone won world war 2

what universities they studied? All sponsored by the US government. US Students get material to read about gulags all the time, but not one time american school teach about the fact that russia alone won world war 2

There is no such thing as free press in USA these days. here's the truth:

A professional collapse

As Lippmann observed almost ninety years ago, the crisis of journalism cannot be disentangled from thecrisis of national government. Government and journalism now share a crisis of credibility, trust, and competence. At the least, the crisis of journalism reveals a changing standard for and definition of "objectivity". Journalism, or more precisely, freedom of expression and freedom of the press, has been plunged, as a result of casual, callow, craven, or simply career-minded attitudes, into complicity, tacit and active, with a harsh and secretive administration that seeks to concentrate unaccountable power in the executive and sees itself as above the law and above reproach.

Only incidentally does the crisis of journalism involve the conflict between impartiality of judgment on the one hand and advocacy on the other. This might be a salient question under other circumstances, but it is peripheral here. Neither is the problem caused by slight inattentiveness; nor can it be solved by minor adjustments. The failure of most of the press for most of the Bush era to cover most of the basic reality was because to do so was too radical and threatening, not only to the administration but also to the news organisations themselves. Their dismal behaviour goes to the root of a professional collapse. The press fiasco under Bush marks the culminating contradiction, if not repudiation, of Lippmann's original ideas about shaping journalistic standards for a modern age. It is not sheer happenstance, but the outcome of a long history that was by no means inevitable.

Walter Lippmann and American journalism today | openDemocracy

 

[Superboy]

I'm trying to get a handle on the Chinese mindset on this one. Why is Russia exempt from Chinese rage against the "century of humiliation," and instead directs the rage at the US, which was not involved in dissecting China? Why does China reach back in history to justify the "nine dash line," but rushes to renounce any historical claims on Siberia?

Don't forget, the US still defends Taiwan militarily. That alone makes the US an enemy of China. Why should China stake a hold in Siberia? If China ever acquires Siberia, it would be by purchase rather than military action. Russia has thousands of nukes. No one is crazy enough to invade Russia, except possibly Ukraine which might invade Crimea.

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

Don't forget, the US still defends Taiwan militarily. That alone makes the US an enemy of China. Why should China stake a hold in Siberia? If China ever acquires Siberia, it would be by purchase rather than military action. Russia has thousands of nukes. No one is crazy enough to invade Russia, except possibly Ukraine which might invade Crimea.

As usual, you are incorrect. The Taiwan Relations Act was abrogated in 1980 when the US established diplomatic relations with China.

Try again: how did the US partake in destroying China?

 

[Genesis]

Can you please elaborate, "Germany was the one that helped the US in most cases before WWI," since Germany only came into existence in 1871?

How did the US partake in destroying China?

Do you know what year WW1 was? A lot can happen in 40 years, you are American, you should know US history. Read a few books.

As to how US partake in destroying China, 8 nation alliance, that wasn't you? "Interests" in China that wasn't you? Looting China that wasn't you? embargoing China, preventing the selling of food to us, when we needed food due to our crazy policies that resulted in millions starved, that wasn't you? Giving our islands to the Japanese that wasn't you? Keeping Taiwan from a united China, that wasn't you? Decades of CIA in Tibet, Xinjiang and else where, and wouldn't you know it, is still you.

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

Do you know what year WW1 was? A lot can happen in 40 years, you are American, you should know US history. Read a few books.

As to how US partake in destroying China, 8 nation alliance, that wasn't you? "Interests" in China that wasn't you? Looting China that wasn't you? embargoing China, preventing the selling of food to us, when we needed food due to our crazy policies that resulted in millions starved, that wasn't you? Giving our islands to the Japanese that wasn't you? Keeping Taiwan from a united China, that wasn't you? Decades of CIA in Tibet, Xinjiang and else where, and wouldn't you know it, is still you.

You claimed that "Germany helped the US in most cases before WWI.". What are those cases, and how did Germany help the most? They didn't help us in 1898. If you cannot substantiate your comment, let's dismiss it as an emotional outburst.

In regards to the 8 nation alliance, do not dismiss the Boxer Rebellion that led to it. In regards to the embargo, do not dismiss Chinese involvement in the Korean War. In regards to giving Chinese islands to Japan--which islands? In regards to keeping Taiwan from China, we did not have diplomatic relations with China. CIA in Tibet and Xinjiang? Of course that was the CIA, there is no possible legitimate grievance that the local population has had against the CCP.

You suggest I study history. I invite you to do the same, since you seem well informed about effects, and completely unaware of causes. No wonder why you think the US is evil.