American Propaganda: China will Reclaim Siberia

[Aepsilons]

Northern Japanese Beauty

 

[55100864]

Competition is good. I welcome competition from China, as it improves my life. Your low-cost manufacturing, your R&D, your investment in space travel, what's not to like? I just wish we could have normal great power relations, but it doesn't appear possible in my lifetime. Oh well.

great power never get along, just like Apple and Microsoft never get along, we are not a superpower yet, but i believe we both would never cross the line to allow war to happen, and stop saying we hate US, we are pretty rational people compare with u know….. even a single one step back by US would be much much respected and appreciated by China.

 

[Genesis]

From my 1 month stay in this forum, I notice that there is a healthy mix of intelligent folks like yourself. There tends to be a tendency of nationalism-induced bigoted posts from all sides of the spectrum, and its best to take the healthy point(s) and ignore the negative / destructive ones.

Keep on posting and sharing your input, my man. See you around.


I remain,

really? That dude was intelligent? I think he has been seeing too much African middle east hate to even understand the situation.

We have countless times said it isn't personal, all it is, is that America is in our back yard and we want them out, if and when they are, tensions may rise between Russia and China as they have before.

But he keeps thinking that we are some small nation and all we do is complain.

He just can't seem to understand at this very moment Russia and China needs to be against America. Like the three kingdoms, Shu and Wu were allies, but as soon as Cao is destroyed they would turn on each other before you can say what.

Obviously that never happened and no small art due to what Kongming said Cao can be defeated but not destroyed for we are not in a position to take advantage, but Wu is.

The official goal was to destroy Cao, but they didn't and instead sabotaged their "ally" due to interests.

Same sort of deal here. China need Russia to weaken America, same deal with Russia.


As to his stupid question why can't US be in West of Guam, he should ask why there is a cuban missile crisis. Maybe then he would understand.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Competition is good. I welcome competition from China, as it improves my life. Your low-cost manufacturing, your R&D, your investment in space travel, what's not to like? I just wish we could have normal great power relations, but it doesn't appear possible in my lifetime. Oh well.

As one said " People like to FCK in same class", China has to work hard to acquire military parity in order to be accepted into "elite club" as American to earn the respect and to have normal great power relations...even now the world's second defense spending country is still not good enough .

 

[Aepsilons]

Anyways, clearly some of the members here are a wee bit too dominating in their views, and express an almost splitting field of vision. We come from different view points, from different countries of origin. And thus, should be open minded in that opposing views is due to said processes.

There is no need to display excessive emotionality.

In other words, chill yo self.

 

[senheiser]

Japan had occupied those islands since the 19th century. They were captured from Japan in WWII. To expect the US to have returned the island to Taiwan or China based on ownership nearly a century previous is not to be anchored in reality.

That haters of America need to stretch so far to justify their hatred of America only serves to convince me that the fault does not lie with the USA in this dysfunctional relationship.

so why giving these islands to japan if you controlled them? You could demand China being democratic and capitalistic before giving back to china, that would be smart foreign policy.

America made and makes only problems just like the British empire did, most conflicts in the world still going on are because of americas and uks fault.

 

[Tractor]

This is what?A false proposition.

 

[Raphael]

I am not claiming that the US has extended charity to China, but I am claiming that the US has been relatively friendly to China, and at the very least, merits normal treatment by China instead of the hostility shown.

To your points:
1). Not automatically taking China's side in territorial disputes is not a sign of disrespect. Should the US be offended by China's lack of support over our dispute over Machias Seal Island? Of course not. China should also not take US neutrality as an affront.

2) as you say, the US views Asia as unstable. The US wishes to stabilize it through active involvement, or a pivot, much like the US is involved in the Middle East. Asia is a strategic interest for the US, because we have trade there, allies there, and territory there. Where these things are not present, we turn a bind eye to China's maneuverings, e.g. Africa.

3) I re-read the Treaty of San Francisco and the Japan-China Peace Treaty. I do not see Diaoyu/Senkaku included. Can you please provide a link?

4). This is so vague that it's hard to counter. We are emboldening them because we don't automatically side with China? That's not a good justification for resenting the US.

As far as the rest, this is turning into a circular argument--China was already hostile, so took the least forgiving view of US actions, which in turn increased Chinese hostility. China regarded the Serbian bombing mistake as intentional, so I can you please explain why China thinks we did it? China is offended by its suicidal jet pilot colliding with our slow intelligence plane. Shouldn't China be happy, since it got to expropriate our intelligence gathering equipment from that incident?

As far as the SCS, that makes sense. But I can't seem to find good information on what is at stake. How much are we talking about (in dollar amounts, if available) in terms of resources in the disputed areas?

0. What hostility are you referring to? China is a self-absorbed and inward-looking country. Its paramount foreign policy doctrine is the principle of non-interference. It is not proactively hostile to any country. All the hostility it shows is reciprocal and a reaction to existing hostility aimed at it.
1. Point 1 referred to sovereignty of the state - the right to organize its internal affairs as the state sees fit, without foreign interference. When the US demands that we revalue our currency, or set loose subversive elements (i.e. Liu Xiaobo), or permit Google to operate on our soil with impunity , it's not respecting this basic principle that underpins all interstate relations.
2. What is so "unstable" about Asia that necessitated a policy as belligerent as the pivot to Asia? Were there, or are there, any wars being fought? All the tension that currently exists is manufactured by this self-fulfilling "pivot" policy, which now justifies itself with a post hoc fallacy. Also, it's funny you should mention the Middle East as an example of an area that the US wishes to stabilize. I think you should agree that its efforts have been most unproductive.
3. The Japanese Instrument of Surrender expressed Japan's consent to the terms of the Potsdam Declaration, which provided that all territory Japan acquired through imperialism should be returned to China. Diaoyu Island was ceded to Japan during the First Sino-Japanese War.
4. You're emboldening them by taking sides and, no doubt through covert diplomatic channels, encouraging them to escalate their provocations. Territorial disputes are a bilateral issues that external parties should not interfere in. You correctly noticed that China doesn't take sides in the Machias Seal issue. Perhaps you should reciprocate this courtesy?

I don't know how much oil those islands hold. Certainly not enough to guarantee our energy security. In any event - it's the principle that matters. We have no intention to cede useless, uninhabitable wasteland near our border with Mongolia or Kazakhstan, and the same principle applies to these islands.

 

[Okemos]

Existential threat against China? Why do you claim that China presents no threat to the US, but at the same time believe that the US presents an existential threat to China? Such a mindset must inevitably lead to conflict. Perhaps China should stop thinking the US presents an existential threat.



What I have been trying to communicate in my posts is that the US has been benign and friendly to China. To claim that the US has acted coldly, or even worse, as an enemy to China for the last century is not moored in reality. On the contrary, China has normal relations with Russia even though Russia's behavior towards China has been far worse, so China's partnership with Russia is far from the obvious outcome.



This is very strong language, one that borders on extreme paranoia from my perspective. Please provide examples of the "fanaticism reminiscent of Middle Age's religious cults" or what you imagine our teeth are doing to China.

"[We] will still not want to see the day China overtakes the US and changes the order of things, that is, [our] way of life"? With statements like that, you still wonder why so many Americans are nervous about China? That comes across like a threat. Why should our way of life change with the rise of China?



One might conclude from your comment that all Chinese are agents of the Chinese government, so therefore it is logical to assume that all American academics, journalists, and tourists are agents of the American government, working at its direction to undermine China. I assure you that your assumption is categorically wrong, but this level of paranoia now makes many things clear to me.

As long as China believes that the US objective is to destroy China, as you and other Chinese users have suggested, then it is China that will lose its cool. I just hope that happens after I'm dead, because it will have a cataclysmic outcome for the world.

I doubt Chinese members here are really representative of general Chinese population. I have no idea why some of them are so friendly to Russia while hostile to the U.S., lol. I wish China rather to be friendly to a stable democratic country than a country controlled by oligarchs. It's like playing with fire. NO IDEA why China loves to play with fire.

Plus, a powerful neighbor is always more dangerous than a distant foe.

I think you presented quite rational arguments but kind of futile to deaf ears with predetermined mindsets.

 

[mandrom]

I doubt Chinese members here are really representative of general Chinese population. I have no idea why some of them are so friendly to Russia while hostile to the U.S., lol. I wish China rather to be friendly to a stable democratic country than a country controlled by oligarchs. It's like playing with fire. NO IDEA why China loves to play with fire.

Plus, a powerful neighbor is always more dangerous than a distant foe.

I think you presented quite rational arguments but kind of futile to deaf ears with predetermined mindsets.

USA is a oiligarchy itself lol....
America is an oligarchy, not a democracy or republic, university study finds - Washington Times
Rule of the Fat Cats

 

[Superboy]

I doubt Chinese members here are really representative of general Chinese population. I have no idea why some of them are so friendly to Russia while hostile to the U.S., lol. I wish China rather to be friendly to a stable democratic country than a country controlled by oligarchs. It's like playing with fire. NO IDEA why China loves to play with fire.

Plus, a powerful neighbor is always more dangerous than a distant foe.

I think you presented quite rational arguments but kind of futile to deaf ears with predetermined mindsets.

The US is a danger and an enemy to China, Russia is not. Today the US targets Russia via war in Syria and Ukraine, tomorrow the US can target China. US oligarchs shamelessly shipped as many manufacturing jobs as they can to China, at the expense of the American people. US oligarchs continue to dumb down the American people via bad movies, bad music, WWE.

I am Chinese and I love Russia and I hate the US.

 

[Beidou2020]

Northern Japanese Beauty

Yuk.

Anyways, clearly some of the members here are a wee bit too dominating in their views, and express an almost splitting field of vision. We come from different view points, from different countries of origin. And thus, should be open minded in that opposing views is due to said processes.

There is no need to display excessive emotionality.

In other words, chill yo self.

You come out talking tough like a big shot when Chinese are not here but once we come and put you down in no uncertain terms, you cry to the mods and call for 'mercy'