American Propaganda: China will Reclaim Siberia

[Pangu]

I mean the ordinary people in Russia.

Here is some Chinese-Russian mix girls in the NE China, and do you think any of them has the potential to become a female Jean Ping?

And this one looks like Anna Chapman, very interesting eh?

Best post in this thread!

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

我不关注这些二毛子，我只知道毛子在近代中国历史上罪大恶极，罪恶不下于日本，我们目前只是因为美国的原因相互利用而已，事实上双方没有信任，毛子与越南，印度的关系好得很，他们也从来没在领土争端问题上支持过中国

的确，但在美帝还没完蛋之前没必要和它们撕破脸。

就算再支持印度或越南又如何？对天朝根本构不成威胁。

 

[Aepsilons]

@LeveragedBuyout ,

Well done, my man. Well done.

 

[sahaliyan]

的确，但在美帝还没完蛋之前没必要和它们撕破脸。

就算再支持印度或越南又如何？对天朝根本构不成威胁。

所以，我们也应该支持乌克兰等他们的邻国
同时，我们仍和他们可以合作，以对抗美国威胁。这就是既互相合作，又互相使绊子

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Best post in this thread!

Yep, the mixture between the NE Chinese and Russians still look surprisingly Russian.

And the mixture between Russians and the South Chinese don't look that good.

所以，我们也应该支持乌克兰等他们的邻国
同时，我们仍和他们可以合作，以对抗美国威胁。这就是既互相合作，又互相使绊子

静观其变，但腹黑的TG先别露出来的。

Now let's keep using English, it is the forum rule.

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

The Century of Humiliation narrative does not necessarily exclusively target the US. The present situation is not a "rage" against the US, as well. China is not a country arrested in the past but a bloody rational one, and, all signs indicate that, at present, the largest geopolitical (I would even say, existential) threat to China comes from the US government. But Chinese response is not a senseless, mass rage, rather, all China does does is to try to handle a well-programmed (with a lot of missteps and trials and errors, for sure) nation-building and strength-amassing strategy. Certainly, by simply growing, China disturbs the status quo. Hence the reason why the US government and its people feel like China does threaten the US. China does not; nature of things does.

Existential threat against China? Why do you claim that China presents no threat to the US, but at the same time believe that the US presents an existential threat to China? Such a mindset must inevitably lead to conflict. Perhaps China should stop thinking the US presents an existential threat.

On the other hand, it would be the naiveté of century if one would agree that US is benign, or even slightly friendly to China -- especially ever since the US government felt it was released from the Middle Eastern nightmare. The window of opportunity for sustainable great power relationship is closed, I believe. China has firmly partnered with Russia, obviously.

What I have been trying to communicate in my posts is that the US has been benign and friendly to China. To claim that the US has acted coldly, or even worse, as an enemy to China for the last century is not moored in reality. On the contrary, China has normal relations with Russia even though Russia's behavior towards China has been far worse, so China's partnership with Russia is far from the obvious outcome.

The hostility the US shows to China ranges from technology and economy to politics, sociology and culture. There is a frontal attack from the US with its civil, political and military society taking part in a fanaticism reminiscent of Middle Age's religious cults. The only reason your teeth do not penetrate deep is because China's skin is getting harder and firmer day by day. Believe me, even if you personally may hold a positive view of China, you will still not want to see the day China overtakes the US and changes the order of things, that is, your way of life. Because, sustaining your way of life requires that China not be No. 1 economic, cultural, and military power.

This is very strong language, one that borders on extreme paranoia from my perspective. Please provide examples of the "fanaticism reminiscent of Middle Age's religious cults" or what you imagine our teeth are doing to China.

"[We] will still not want to see the day China overtakes the US and changes the order of things, that is, [our] way of life"? With statements like that, you still wonder why so many Americans are nervous about China? That comes across like a threat. Why should our way of life change with the rise of China?

So, we should not mistake one thing for another: Due to globalization, there will certainly be more people-to-people exchanges; but these are often unrelated, unimportant lot (unless they are not undercover agents like the white guys we often sight at anti-China protests in Taiwan). Our respective governments will continue a cut-throat cold war that might even develop into proxy wars (although I do not expect direct confrontation -- not because you do not want, but because you cannot).

Greater interconnectedness, in fact, gives you, being the stronger party, additional leverage to play against China through a myriad of measures like academic anti-China-ism, social media manipulations, cyber attacks, sending agents as tourists to stir discontent inside China in the hope of a second Tienanmen, creating an academic discourse of China-threat, using your influence to stir anti-China sentiment in Taiwan (US AIT in Taiwan is actively working to alienate Taiwan from China), Japan etc., putting smaller nations against China etc. etc.

Yes, we are each other's business partners, but, I guess there is not much feeling of civilizational, cultural affinity similar to that which you share with, say, Europe. We will never take part a partnership under an institution like NATO. That's the truth.

Adversity and rivalry are fine for China. So long as you keep your cool, I guess, China can keep its. The historical struggle continues and no need to feign innocence or ignorance of what exists.

One might conclude from your comment that all Chinese are agents of the Chinese government, so therefore it is logical to assume that all American academics, journalists, and tourists are agents of the American government, working at its direction to undermine China. I assure you that your assumption is categorically wrong, but this level of paranoia now makes many things clear to me.

As long as China believes that the US objective is to destroy China, as you and other Chinese users have suggested, then it is China that will lose its cool. I just hope that happens after I'm dead, because it will have a cataclysmic outcome for the world.

 

[sahaliyan]

Yep, the mixture between the NE Chinese and Russians still look surprisingly Russian.

And the mixture between Russians and the South Chinese don't look that good.



静观其变，但腹黑的TG先别露出来的。

Now let's keep using English, it is the forum rule.

有些话不方便用英语说
Now,let's talk in English

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

@LeveragedBuyout ,

Well done, my man. Well done.

I appreciate it, but it's a thankless (and now I realize, futile) battle. If the Chinese are determined to believe that they are pure and the US is hopelessly corrupt/hypocritical/out to get China, let the hate flow. I have a headache, I'm done. I'm thankful that the many Chinese I know in real life are practical people, unlike the denizens of this forum.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Here we go again. Don't pretend you are offended by US spying on China. What about Larry Wu-Tai Chin, Gwo-Bao Min, Peter Lee, and Wen Ho Lee? We don't need to get into the unprecedented level of industrial espionage conducted by China against the US. Enough complaining about US spying.

Why shouldn't the US call China a currency manipulator? You manipulate your currency to keep it artificially weak. More importantly, have we retaliated with sanctions or tariffs? No. So enough.

You misunderstand the Plaza Accord. The Plaza Accord ended the artificial strength of the dollar (including against the Franc, Deutchemark, and Pound Sterling, not just the Yen), and was not aimed specifically at Japan. The other major central banks agreed because to not agree would have resulted Ina massive US recession, which would have destroyed Europe and Japan's exports. This was the least costly move. Do you think we threatened them with nukes if they did not comply? Europe managed well, Japan did not. Now that you know, enough.

We bash China's human rights, and China has bashed our human rights for 15 years. The only difference is that you take it personally, we don't. Have we imposed sanctions against China over this, or labor rights issues? No, so enough.

I try to correct this constant stream of misinformation and demonization against the US, but it's exhausting.

We don't pretend to be saints, but you treat us like the devil. Why don't you look in the mirror, for once? You and other Chinese claim to resent meddling in domestic Chinese affairs, but what has the US done, really? Virtually nothing, just rhetoric. Enough excuses.

Fair enought with your explainations but it's total wrong to assess that I or other Chineses treat you like Devil, I just want to deliver the message to all Americans that you're not far better than us as human to criticize what we're doing because in American's mentality what China did are wrong and evil...Since my first day I have access to the Internet and TV in this world, I hear China and Chinese bashing almost at daily basis from US and some European countries....something it's good that we Chineses are collectively wake up and stand up.

 

[Aepsilons]

I appreciate it, but it's a thankless (and now I realize, futile) battle. If the Chinese are determined to believe that they are pure and the US is hopelessly corrupt/hypocritical/out to get China, let the hate flow. I have a headache, I'm done. I'm thankful that the many Chinese I know in real life are practical people, unlike the denizens of this forum.

From my 1 month stay in this forum, I notice that there is a healthy mix of intelligent folks like yourself. There tends to be a tendency of nationalism-induced bigoted posts from all sides of the spectrum, and its best to take the healthy point(s) and ignore the negative / destructive ones.

Keep on posting and sharing your input, my man. See you around.


I remain,

 

[sahaliyan]

Yep, the mixture between the NE Chinese and Russians still look surprisingly Russian.

And the mixture between Russians and the South Chinese don't look that good.
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It's always the Asian male marry the Russian female,I never see the Russian male marry Asian female.It's true there are many mixture between Chinese and Russians in Northeast China,though this is not considered as a positive thing in northeast China,you know people call them 二毛子，this is not a very good word,I came from northeast,I know this very well

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

Fair enought with your explainations but it's total wrong to assess that I or other Chineses treat you like Devil, I just want to deliver the message to all Americans that you're not far better than us as human to criticize what we're doing because in American's mentality what China did are wrong and evil...Since my first day I have access to the Internet and TV in this world, I hear China and Chinese bashing almost at daily basis from US and some European countries....something it'a good that we Chineses are collectively wake up and stand up.

Competition is good. I welcome competition from China, as it improves my life. Your low-cost manufacturing, your R&D, your investment in space travel, what's not to like? I just wish we could have normal great power relations, but it doesn't appear possible in my lifetime. Oh well.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

It's always the Asian male marry the Russian female,I never see the Russian male marry Asian female.It's true there are many mixture between Chinese and Russians in Northeast China,though this is not considered as a positive thing in northeast China,you know people call them 二毛子，this is not a very good word,I came from northeast,I know this very well

Yep, the mixture in China was mostly between the Chinese males and the Russian females, and most these people lived in Haerbin.

I just found it weird that the phenotype of these people still look so Russian despite being mixed with the local NE Chinese.

要记住，天朝现在比鹅毛强，干掉阿妹后咱们就是世界第一。

 

[Aepsilons]

Caucasoid beauty is very strong. Period.

In Northern Japan, we have a healthy mixture of Ainu-and Japanese. The genetic amalgamation produces a very beautiful, and unique phenotype:

Northern Japanese man; Japanese and Ainu mix

Northern Japanese phenotype

Northern Japanese woman; Ainu and Japanese mix

Northern Japanese beauty

Northern Japanese beauty

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Caucasoid beauty is very strong. Period.

In Northern Japan, we have a healthy mixture of Ainu-and Japanese. The genetic amalgamation produces a very beautiful, and unique phenotype:

Northern Japanese man; Japanese and Ainu mix

Northern Japanese phenotype

Northern Japanese woman; Ainu and Japanese mix

Northern Japanese beauty

Northern Japanese beauty

Ainus are not genetically Caucasoid, but the Paleo-Mongoloid folks.