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Indonesia recently backed out of two separate arms deals with both China and Russia, bowing to pressure from the Trump administration.

High-tech Barter Goods

In August of 2017, Indonesia announced a deal with the Russian Federation in which Indonesia would buy eleven advanced Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets for approximately $1.1 billion worth of goods. The unusual barter-system deal stipulated that Russia would buy items such as palm oil, rubber, furniture, tea and coffee, as well as spices.

Not long ago, the future of the deal, signed by former Indonesian Defense Minister Ryamizard Ryacudu in 2018, appeared unclear, seemingly stuck in a sort of legal limbo.

The Trump administration apparently informed Jakarta that if the purchases went forward, Indonesia would be penalized under the CAATSA, or Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act.

The odd deal with Russia could have given the Russian state a small, but badly needed economic boost at a time when oil prices—a mainstay of the Russian oil-exporting economy—have suffered a hit due to a flood of cheap Saudi oil on the world market.
Additionally, Jakarta also backed out of a $200 billion deal with China to buy an unspecified number of naval patrol vessels.

Washington reportedly offered the latest and most advanced variant of the American F-16 fighter family, the F-16 Viper, in lieu of the Su-35s. Jakarta instead is attempting to procure the more advanced—and more expensive—F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

In private, some Indonesian government officials have outlined why the CAATSA was so effective—it would apply a number of different sanctions on both organizations and individuals who do business with Russian entities connected to either Russian defense or intelligence agencies.


These sections could be as simple as hampering the ability of individuals to travel, through visa restrictions, or as damaging as banning some financial transactions, or penalties against property and assets, which could have been quite damaging, especially in a time of increasing economic uncertainty due to the coronavirus pandemic.

Sticks and Carrot.
When dealing with its Chinese neighbor, a Russian vendor, and American priorities, Jakarta is balancing several interests against its own.

Indonesia’s decision to back out of two deals with Russia and China—both strategic adversaries of the United States—represent a triumph for the Trump administration, which has struggled recently in preventing both friends and allies from buying Russian and Chinese hardware.


Recently, the United Kingdom rejected an American push to exclude the Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei from any part of its 5G network, which is still in its infancy, opting instead to limit Huawei technology only in non-critical parts of the network.

Indonesian Communications Minister Johnny G. Plate has said the country would not exclude Huawei from its 5G networks, although Australia, a member of the Five Eyes intelligence sharing network, has said the decision could impact intelligence sharing between the two countries.

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Caleb Larson is a Defense Writer with The National Interest. He holds a Master of Public Policy and covers U.S. and Russian security, European defense issues, and German politics and culture. This article first appeared last month.
 
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Indonesia recently backed out of two separate arms deals with both China and Russia, bowing to pressure from the Trump administration.

High-tech Barter Goods

In August of 2017, Indonesia announced a deal with the Russian Federation in which Indonesia would buy eleven advanced Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets for approximately $1.1 billion worth of goods. The unusual barter-system deal stipulated that Russia would buy items such as palm oil, rubber, furniture, tea and coffee, as well as spices.

Not long ago, the future of the deal, signed by former Indonesian Defense Minister Ryamizard Ryacudu in 2018, appeared unclear, seemingly stuck in a sort of legal limbo.

The Trump administration apparently informed Jakarta that if the purchases went forward, Indonesia would be penalized under the CAATSA, or Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act.

The odd deal with Russia could have given the Russian state a small, but badly needed economic boost at a time when oil prices—a mainstay of the Russian oil-exporting economy—have suffered a hit due to a flood of cheap Saudi oil on the world market.
Additionally, Jakarta also backed out of a $200 billion deal with China to buy an unspecified number of naval patrol vessels.

Washington reportedly offered the latest and most advanced variant of the American F-16 fighter family, the F-16 Viper, in lieu of the Su-35s. Jakarta instead is attempting to procure the more advanced—and more expensive—F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

In private, some Indonesian government officials have outlined why the CAATSA was so effective—it would apply a number of different sanctions on both organizations and individuals who do business with Russian entities connected to either Russian defense or intelligence agencies.


These sections could be as simple as hampering the ability of individuals to travel, through visa restrictions, or as damaging as banning some financial transactions, or penalties against property and assets, which could have been quite damaging, especially in a time of increasing economic uncertainty due to the coronavirus pandemic.

Sticks and Carrot.
When dealing with its Chinese neighbor, a Russian vendor, and American priorities, Jakarta is balancing several interests against its own.

Indonesia’s decision to back out of two deals with Russia and China—both strategic adversaries of the United States—represent a triumph for the Trump administration, which has struggled recently in preventing both friends and allies from buying Russian and Chinese hardware.


Recently, the United Kingdom rejected an American push to exclude the Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei from any part of its 5G network, which is still in its infancy, opting instead to limit Huawei technology only in non-critical parts of the network.

Indonesian Communications Minister Johnny G. Plate has said the country would not exclude Huawei from its 5G networks, although Australia, a member of the Five Eyes intelligence sharing network, has said the decision could impact intelligence sharing between the two countries.

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Caleb Larson is a Defense Writer with The National Interest. He holds a Master of Public Policy and covers U.S. and Russian security, European defense issues, and German politics and culture. This article first appeared last month.
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Australia cast itself as the hero of East Timor. But it was US military might that got troops in
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Indonesia recently backed out of two separate arms deals with both China and Russia, bowing to pressure from the Trump administration.

High-tech Barter Goods

In August of 2017, Indonesia announced a deal with the Russian Federation in which Indonesia would buy eleven advanced Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets for approximately $1.1 billion worth of goods. The unusual barter-system deal stipulated that Russia would buy items such as palm oil, rubber, furniture, tea and coffee, as well as spices.

Not long ago, the future of the deal, signed by former Indonesian Defense Minister Ryamizard Ryacudu in 2018, appeared unclear, seemingly stuck in a sort of legal limbo.

The Trump administration apparently informed Jakarta that if the purchases went forward, Indonesia would be penalized under the CAATSA, or Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act.

The odd deal with Russia could have given the Russian state a small, but badly needed economic boost at a time when oil prices—a mainstay of the Russian oil-exporting economy—have suffered a hit due to a flood of cheap Saudi oil on the world market.
Additionally, Jakarta also backed out of a $200 billion deal with China to buy an unspecified number of naval patrol vessels.

Washington reportedly offered the latest and most advanced variant of the American F-16 fighter family, the F-16 Viper, in lieu of the Su-35s. Jakarta instead is attempting to procure the more advanced—and more expensive—F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

In private, some Indonesian government officials have outlined why the CAATSA was so effective—it would apply a number of different sanctions on both organizations and individuals who do business with Russian entities connected to either Russian defense or intelligence agencies.


These sections could be as simple as hampering the ability of individuals to travel, through visa restrictions, or as damaging as banning some financial transactions, or penalties against property and assets, which could have been quite damaging, especially in a time of increasing economic uncertainty due to the coronavirus pandemic.

Sticks and Carrot.
When dealing with its Chinese neighbor, a Russian vendor, and American priorities, Jakarta is balancing several interests against its own.

Indonesia’s decision to back out of two deals with Russia and China—both strategic adversaries of the United States—represent a triumph for the Trump administration, which has struggled recently in preventing both friends and allies from buying Russian and Chinese hardware.


Recently, the United Kingdom rejected an American push to exclude the Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei from any part of its 5G network, which is still in its infancy, opting instead to limit Huawei technology only in non-critical parts of the network.

Indonesian Communications Minister Johnny G. Plate has said the country would not exclude Huawei from its 5G networks, although Australia, a member of the Five Eyes intelligence sharing network, has said the decision could impact intelligence sharing between the two countries.

Report Advertisement
Caleb Larson is a Defense Writer with The National Interest. He holds a Master of Public Policy and covers U.S. and Russian security, European defense issues, and German politics and culture. This article first appeared last month.
Russia is far away, buying their jet is safe. China is not very close, no aggressive agenda, and China is funding Indonesia infrastructure through BRI. It's unwise China will reverse their foreign policy while pouring money into Indonesia, so buying China jet is safe as well.

While US is on Indonesia doorstep. Don't forget Port Darwin of Australia. Those B52 well covered Indonesia. Buying more F-16 is handling their lifeline to US and Australia.

While Indonesia is smart, request F-35 instead of F-16, that's big difference. Indonesia knew very well that US won't sell F-35 to her, this will be a good excuse to buy alternatives, either Russian jets or Chinese ones.

I bet Russian jet, since Indonesia already had some of them. F-16 is a bad option, geopolitical and economical wise.
 
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Russia is far away, buying their jet is safe. China is not very close, no aggressive agenda, and China is funding Indonesia infrastructure through BRI. It's unwise China will reverse their foreign policy while pouring money into Indonesia, so buying China jet is safe as well.

While US is on Indonesia doorstep. Don't forget Port Darwin of Australia. Those B52 well covered Indonesia. Buying more F-16 is handling their lifeline to US and Australia.

While Indonesia is smart, request F-35 instead of F-16, that's big difference. Indonesia knew very well that US won't sell F-35 to her, this will be a good excuse to buy alternatives, either Russian jets or Chinese ones.

I bet Russian jet, since Indonesia already had some of them. F-16 is a bad option, geopolitical and economical wise.
F16 is good for us, Indonesia must get rid of its sukhoi fleet and standardize it to an all F16 fleet.
 
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even vietnam finally re-engage diplomaticaly with US after numeorus bombing in the Vietnam war, why shouldn't we do the same.
I dont see what's wrong with that
 
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even vietnam finally re-engage diplomaticaly with US after numeorus bombing in the Vietnam war, why shouldn't we do the same.
I dont see what's wrong with that
Vietnam has no options. Russia will not risk their foreign relationship for Vietnam, just not worth it.
Indonesia is different, you have options. and your biggest threat comes from British and successor, the SEA POWER NATION.

Indonesia history tell one thing, colonization is worse than anything else. Due to your geographic weakness, thousands of island, your greatest threat always be SEA POWER.

Don't you understand such a simple facts?
 
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even vietnam finally re-engage diplomaticaly with US after numeorus bombing in the Vietnam war, why shouldn't we do the same.
I dont see what's wrong with that
US and Australia are happily breaking up the national unity of Indonesia and asking different parts of Indonesian to call for independent and you can even got the cheek to claim nothing wrong with that to be in bed with them?

@Daniel808 Take a good look at this traitors.

https://www.republika.co.id/berita/...-jk-admits-foreign-involvement-in-papua-riots
 
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even vietnam finally re-engage diplomaticaly with US after numeorus bombing in the Vietnam war, why shouldn't we do the same.
I dont see what's wrong with that
We learned from CN, Deng still came and begged help from Jap in 1978 after Jap massacred millions Cnese.

CN is 30 times bigger JP while VN is abt 50 times smaller and weaker US
 
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Vietnam has no options. Russia will not risk their foreign relationship for Vietnam, just not worth it.
Indonesia is different, you have options. and your biggest threat comes from British and successor, the SEA POWER NATION.

Indonesia history tell one thing, colonization is worse than anything else. Due to your geographic weakness, thousands of island, your greatest threat always be SEA POWER.

Don't you understand such a simple facts?
yes Indonesia has options but I think Our govt knows just how dangerous it is to play fire with The US through CAATSA. and btw SU-35 is just an overhyped russian jets. and we only buy like 11 of those. we're not going to sacrifice our diplomatic relations with US just for the sake of 11 jets and a few chinese boats that we could also build here in our shipyards.
 
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That article is not really credible, how come they say Indonesia want to buy 200 billion dollar patrol vessel from China :D

Indonesia has many good shipyard that can make big ships, so how come Indonesia want to buy patrol vessel from China ? Never heard this from Indonesian source. We also dont have any history buying ships from China.
 
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That article is not really credible, how come they say Indonesia want to buy 200 billion dollar patrol vessel from China :D

Indonesia has many good shipyard that can make big ships, so how come Indonesia want to buy patrol vessel from China ? Never heard this from Indonesian source. We also dont have any history buying ships from China.
i think its 200 million, this web claim that Indonesia is interested in Chinese patrol vessels.
The first four LMS ships cost $64 million each. Indonesia wants up to 18 of them and plans to build most of them in a local shipyard. Two of the first four were to be built in Indonesia but at the last minute, to save $33 million, it was decided that all four will be built in China. These four LMS will be in service by 2021.
https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsurf/20200120.aspx

Indonesia history tell one thing, colonization is worse than anything else. Due to your geographic weakness, thousands of island, your greatest threat always be SEA POWER.

Don't you understand such a simple facts?
thank god the US not China is the largest SEA POWER on any ocean you'll visit
 
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it is better for indonesia to avoid buying from u.s and focus on indigenous weapon development as they are not facing any immediate threat and have plenty of time for building own jets and equipment,they should establish agreement with nation which agree for technology transfer and I not think u.s will allow this unlike china and russia which can help in this
 
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