America is not powerful enough to stand up to China and Russia alone, says Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov

[beijingwalker]

LOl, is it you?

 

[Beny Karachun]

Ukraine is weaker than you? you are not even a country, in own eyes you are just a tool set up in the middle east by US, when US is gone from ME you will be gone the next day, you are not a property country like Ukraine.

That's also the same thing Russia says about Ukraine lol, "not a real country just NATO tool"

Keep living in your delusions. I think you'd rather keep being the world's factory than lay in ruins.

 

[beijingwalker]

That's also the same thing Russia says about Ukraine lol, "not a real country just NATO tool"

Keep living in your delusions. I think you'd rather keep being the world's factory than lay in ruins.

The only place will be laid in ruins is Israel, exactly like what happened in the past.

 

[retaxis]

America can't stand against their true enemies and thats the demographic collapse of the white population by 2040s and the immense amount of drugs pouring into the country.

China is using tiktok and other influences to turn America radical woke creating division. China ally Russia is operating vast majority of white neo nazi websites and facebook groups to also create division.
Couple that with the fact that by 2040s whites will become a minority and 2060s they will be insignificant. America is heading for a situation like Brazil in the near future demographically however with far greater racial issues at play here, America will be lucky to get away without fighting a full on civil war between the ultra woke./leftists and ultra right wing/trumpists in the next 20 yrs. But lets not kid ourselves, when whites become a minority and have no power like in South Africa, the country is going to go 3rd world status real quick.

 

[jhungary]

Mastery begins at excelling at the simplest tasks, soldiers in a gunfight against terrorists is real experience, running around bullets knowing you could drop dead at any moment is war experience.

A soldier that experienced gunfights against what he calls "simple Taliban" or "Arab protestors" will be much more calm and effective than some Chinese recuit.

Drone operators and pilots bombing thousands of concealed targets in Gaza would do much better against conventional militaries, and the intelligence officers that detected those concealed targets would have a much easier time finding enemy military camps.

War experience and training is everything.


That's what Russia said about a much weaker state than us

Assuming you went thru basic training as everyone in Israel did (used to work with a female Israeli model and she was a LT in the inspector general office), you probably been doing bed since day 1. The philosophy of making your bed every morning is that you start with small things like that, then progress into a bigger thing like how to maintain your weapon, and then progress to your skills on whatever you do in the military, but it start with making your bed.

Everything in the military have a learning curve, and some of those things can't be learn in classroom, and only if and when you went thru those things, you will know. I remember not long ago I was talking with a member here about IED, how I see the IED and immediately know where they were planted, and how they were going to be used, that kind of experience you can only get from facing people who actually use this stuff for real. During military training, you were taught all sort of information. I mean, I can tell you most VBIED are set inside a car truck, but you will not know which car to look at, or you can't pick out which car in a line of 6 is the one with VBIED, because the placement, the tiny little detail (such as looking at rear suspension), those you can't pick up in class, you have to learn from real explosion, especially and sadly, the one that cause you to lose someone or something, because that you will never forget. This is what we called "Blooded"

But then all these are lost with these people, because in their mind, they can imagine whatever the hell they wanted, I mean, everyone's king in their own imagination. It's kind of hard to talk these down, and the only way they will learn is when they hit slack, people died, maimed and when it is not fun and game, and sadly, that is when these people will learn.

 

[beijingwalker]

US troops "combat experience"

 

[gambit]

US troops "combat experience"

So sayeth the PARADE LINE ARMY.

 

[beijingwalker]

So sayeth the PARADE LINE ARMY.

Better than civilians murdering army, you criminals hands are covered with innocent people's blood.

 

[gambit]

Ha, you believe China doesn't have war experience,...

No, you do not.

Technology is immensely important in war. I thought there is a Chinese saying that the spear is 'the king of weapons'. Is not the spear a more technologically advanced weapon than the sword? For the samurais, despite the mythologies of the katana, the favored weapon is the nagigata.

The point here is that whenever there is a weapon that changes the nature of warfare, the experience count is essentially reset to zero. Weapons that changed warfare irrevocably such as the horse, the bow and arrow, the ship, and the airplane, just to name a few. The word 'irrevocably' means there is no going back. Either have it or lose the next war for certain. Warfare reset to zero many times since the industrial revolution, with WW II yrs being the most innovative, and it is only recently that China modernized the PLA.

So no, the PLA does not have war experience.

in this largely peaceful time, no countries do, fighting some small guerilla wars and killing some civilian don't get you any true real battle experience, Indians also claim they have much battle experiences from fighting rebels in Kashmir and NE rebels, that's ridiculous. You get real battle experiences by fighting a worthy enemy, so called war experience is just a joke, one months into a war, every soldier can get it, it's not some kind of rocket science.

China does not get to define who is a 'worthy' enemy or what is a 'real' battle experience when the most important mission of the PLA is to keep the CPC safe from the Chinese people.

 

[Beny Karachun]

Assuming you went thru basic training as everyone in Israel did (used to work with a female Israeli model and she was a LT in the inspector general office), you probably been doing bed since day 1. The philosophy of making your bed every morning is that you start with small things like that, then progress into a bigger thing like how to maintain your weapon, and then progress to your skills on whatever you do in the military, but it start with making your bed.

Everything in the military have a learning curve, and some of those things can't be learn in classroom, and only if and when you went thru those things, you will know. I remember not long ago I was talking with a member here about IED, how I see the IED and immediately know where they were planted, and how they were going to be used, that kind of experience you can only get from facing people who actually use this stuff for real. During military training, you were taught all sort of information. I mean, I can tell you most VBIED are set inside a car truck, but you will not know which car to look at, or you can't pick out which car in a line of 6 is the one with VBIED, because the placement, the tiny little detail (such as looking at rear suspension), those you can't pick up in class, you have to learn from real explosion, especially and sadly, the one that cause you to lose someone or something, because that you will never forget. This is what we called "Blooded"

But then all these are lost with these people, because in their mind, they can imagine whatever the hell they wanted, I mean, everyone's king in their own imagination. It's kind of hard to talk these down, and the only way they will learn is when they hit slack, people died, maimed and when it is not fun and game, and sadly, that is when these people will learn.

Yeah, we liked complaining about the bed, it's kinda extreme, everything has to be symmetrical, not only our own equipment, but everyone in the room should do it in the same order. Combat boots, flippers and running shoes should be on the same line, in the same line with other people's shoes, backpack zippers should always be closed, nice and tidy, vests and uniforms should always be ready with full bottles of water, protective glasses and six full magazines, guard duties in night time were all under our responsibility and there must always be night guards, commanders would try to sneak into our tents/rooms and try to steal our guns and we had to catch them or sometimes did foolish stuff, one commander woke me up, quietly gave me a piece of watermelon and tell me no one would ever believe me if I told that and walk away

But all of this makes your mind strive for perfection in your actions, which is very valuable.

I was in a combat engineering unit for a while but I got injured (fucked up ankle) and had to quit, we also learned how to use mine detectors and IEDs as well, but this field sucks because there are plastic anti personnel mines that can't be detected by mine detectors. The joke about us was that we give people a high-one because we didn't have five fingers, generally the jokes about us is about lack of legs/arms

Humans have insane abilities that are only acquired by a massive amount of experience. Humans build intuitive capabilities that they often cannot explain, capabilities that cannot be passed to each other. This applies to every field in our life, not just military. You could see this in ace pilots, elite snipers, operators and tank crews that are force multipliers in a war, or even just experienced mechanics, cooks, engineers or hackers.

But yeah, if he thinks experience is just a joke, let him think that way. Good for us.

 

[gambit]

But yeah, if he thinks experience is just a joke, let him think that way. Good for us.

It is not that experience is a joke to these ya-hoos, they know better, but that without experience, what do you have? Nothing. They have nothing. So in order to make themselves parity to you, they have to at least put on the facade that they believe that experience means nothing, thereby putting them and you on the same plane. War is not a boxing match where the rules reigns supreme. In any sporting contest, you lose only your ego. But in war, you can lose your life and your country. That is why they have to hype themselves up as much as possible and at the same time tries to diminish the real war and combat experience of anyone else.

 

[beijingwalker]

Before US joined WW2, how much real battle experiences did they have comparing to then German and Japanese troops?

 

[Stranagor]

No, you do not.

Technology is immensely important in war. I thought there is a Chinese saying that the spear is 'the king of weapons'. Is not the spear a more technologically advanced weapon than the sword? For the samurais, despite the mythologies of the katana, the favored weapon is the nagigata.

The point here is that whenever there is a weapon that changes the nature of warfare, the experience count is essentially reset to zero. Weapons that changed warfare irrevocably such as the horse, the bow and arrow, the ship, and the airplane, just to name a few. The word 'irrevocably' means there is no going back. Either have it or lose the next war for certain. Warfare reset to zero many times since the industrial revolution, with WW II yrs being the most innovative, and it is only recently that China modernized the PLA.

So no, the PLA does not have war experience.


China does not get to define who is a 'worthy' enemy or what is a 'real' battle experience when the most important mission of the PLA is to keep the CPC safe from the Chinese people.

When the party becomes the state, the state turns into a party branch. Hence, military is the armed extension of the party. University is the education center of the party. Private company is the spying tool of the party. The logical conclusion is that party interests and people's interests / demands should always match. When/if an incongruence happens, then the State, including army, resorts to the only possible course of action: protecting the party and correcting the people, through force, if necessary. I am of the view that in these party-states, vigilance against internal enemies (people who may disagree with the party-state) triumphs over external ones.

 

[beijingwalker]

When the party becomes the state, the state turns into a party branch. Hence, military is the armed extension of the party. University is the education center of the party. Private company is the spying tool of the party. The logical conclusion is that party interests and people's interests / demands should always match. When/if an incongruence happens, then the State, including army, resorts to the only possible course of action: protecting the party and correcting the people, through force, if necessary. I am of the view that in these party-states, vigilance against internal enemies (people who may disagree with the party-state) triumphs over external ones.

Hmm.. what if that party can deliver decades long world fastest economic growth and development in the whole human history to one fifth of the humanity?

 

[Beny Karachun]

Before US joined WW2, how much real battle experiences did they have comparing to then German and Japanese troops?

US invaded Germany along with experienced British troops, tons of American/Canadian/Australian/NZ pilots and soldiers were already experienced in war because they initially were volunteers.

In battles which experienced German/Japanese soldiers faced generally inexperienced American soldiers, Germans and Japanese had clear advantages. And even then, it's not fair to compare between the Americans in WW2 and China, US generals were experienced in WW1 and the Germans were already in war for 5 years at that point, split between the Eastern, Western and African front.

It is important to say that war experience could be mitigated by war attrition, even the strongest humans can only fight under a lot of stress for so long. Germans were already tired of war at that point.