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Can there be peace between India and Pakistan without solution to Kashmir dispute?


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Pakistan is falling way behind india in every sphere and will eventually have to accept a forced settlement on indian terms. It's only a matter of time. We can only hope that it won't require a nuclear holocaust first.
 
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Pakistan is falling way behind india in every sphere and will eventually have to accept a forced settlement on indian terms. It's only a matter of time. We can only hope that it won't require a nuclear holocaust first.

400 million people will die for your dream of a united Hindu India.
 
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I think both parties are happy with status quo , atleast India is. Both need each other as enemies to keep other united
 
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400 million people will die for your dream of a united Hindu India.

Why would an atheist pakistani like me want a united hindu india? That makes no sense.

I don't want india to takeover but the way things are being run in Pakistan it seems that they will at the very least force humiliating conditions on us.
 
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Why would an atheist pakistani like me want a united hindu india? That makes no sense.

because hinduism is not a religion. just a way of life.

plus trade from Iran to china to central asia. so much winning
 
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because hinduism is not a religion. just a way of life.

it's not my way of life. and it is a religion. don't believe them when they tell you otherwise. even their so called atheist hindus worship idols and believe in the caste system.
 
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it's not my way of life. and it is a religion. don't believe them when they tell you otherwise. even their so called atheist hindus worship idols and believe in the caste system.

what does abdus samad means by the way?
 
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what does abdus samad means by the way?

slave of the one that is eternal (samad). samad is one of allah's names. of course this name was given to me by my parents but as an atheist i don't believe in any supernatural beings (or being a slave to them).
 
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Well, we were fighting before Kashmir, so there's a good chance we will still be fighting after Kashmir.
I say resolve every other issue between the 2 countries and Kashmir will probably fall into place on it's own.
 
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slave of the one that is eternal (samad). samad is one of allah's names. of course this name was given to me by my parents and as an atheist i don't believe in any supernatural beings.

so your parents imposed their will upon you.

you should be above 18. get it changed. atleast you will Avoid being labelled Moslem
 
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you should be above 18. get it changed. atleast you will Avoid being labelled Moslem

I don't think that's possible in Pakistan. Besides I like it. It confuses people like you which is always good in my book.

You can't even change your religion from islam to anything else here. NADRA literally designed their system to prevent that from happening. Can you imagine? A computer system bound by backward religious rules. Only in Pakistan!
 
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I don't think that's possible in Pakistan. Besides I like it. It confuses people like you which is always good in my book.

i dont need to assume Religion to do what i do.

and it is possible to have it changed in Pakistan.
 
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i dont need to assume Religion to do what i do.

But you started this conversation assuming I was a hindu indian! Here's your post quoted again:

400 million people will die for your dream of a united Hindu India.

and it is possible to have it changed in Pakistan.

No it isn't. Here's a source regarding nadra's retarded system: https://tribune.com.pk/story/367720/righting-wrongs-nadra-changes-mpas-religion-to-christianity/
 
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I want to ask PDF Pakistanis what do they make of the continued insistence of the Pakistani government towards peace with India while India imposes terrorism as means of foreign policy to extend her hegemonic designs in the region.

Road to Peace goes through Kashmir and not through TAPI and IPI.
Don't know what you want to ask ?
Look kashmir is the core issue.
The talks are the only solution, people keep repeating that...
Then there are people like you and me who says that : 'what has happened in the last 70 years that gives us this hope that this time we would struck the charm?'.
We cannot simply fight... If we are on equal footing, I would be of opinion to have all out war, once and for all and have the final solution . But that is not possible.
India now gets the taste of proxy terrorism it inflicts on Pakistan and the afghans peers are with them. In this senerio, is there any other solution to not engaging them, if not for kashmir but to pressure them into stopping the proxy terrorism .(diwane ka khawab) .
If we are pushed by the international community and fatf to finally crack down on the proxies that hurt Indian interest, don't you think that it is a good opertunity to engage india and ask for vice verca .
Indian politicians and its people have been in a dilusional state, where they think they are some sort of super power. And they don't want to talk kashmir .
But getting a settlement would be like opening a new door for the prosperity of South Asia.
Without engagement you are only loosing and India knows that . That's why they are so admanent not to talk to us. But pakistan's insistence for talks also register at the right places and we can use that in international forums to show our intent. Last year it was Modi who said he went to the wedding ceremony of pm grand daughter. Or ashraf ghani claiming he was the first to visit Pakistan. Pakistan claim they have made repeated calls for dialog .
We have not been able to force them to stop proxy terrorism.
We are removing everything from our soil yet get no recognition due to Indian lobbying.
Had we been on good footing we can have a solution to kashmir that is acceptable to both ie kashmir to Pakistan and jammu to India. But we are not and hence the solution usually discussed is to develop two kashmir with their own pm under India and Pakistan and line of control is declared the border.
As a Pakistani I don't want to give up.
But frankly enough is enough . Settling of kashmir issue is very important now .
We have stop somewhere . One party has to bow down.

And the new government has done countless offers but no process has started yet , don't know why are you trying to give the impression that some talks are going on ?
Conflict resolution is the only way out of the quagmire subcontinent is suffering from.
Conflict resolution is the only way we can progress. Sadly new generation in India and Pakistan are too much filled with nationalism that they are simply not ready to talk and discuss.
Though not expecting results but talks are not the wrong way...
Look at the Chinese example. They have recaptured Tibet, they have taken Hong-Kong and Taiwan. By force or whatever but they have .
All you need is time and fill pocket.
 
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