Aman ka Tamasha

[Zarvan]

Ended up voting for option 2 by mistake but for me it's option 3. War is Inevitable.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Kashmiris are well within their rights to struggle against occupation and oppression.

Do you think Aksai Chin people should do same ? Like suicide blasts . Should india support them, arm them, provide weapons ,suicide jackets? Then Imagine the image in whole world.

 

[Dubious]

we cant give any guarantee to Indians

Until and unless we are funding it DIRECTLY we dont need to give them guarantee......

THAT IS THE ISSUE and this thread is going to go south real fast!

I am off for iftari!

 

[pak-marine]

What trade do you have to offer India? You cannot even produce ball bearings in the country

piaaaaggg

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Until and unless we are funding it DIRECTLY we dont need to give them guarantee......

THAT IS THE ISSUE and this thread is going to go south real fast!

I am off for iftari!

that is true, expecting us to guarantee something beyond our control is absurd

enjoy the iftar

 

[war&peace]

I agreed
yes there can be peace as uneasy as its been sometimes
by stopping covert and overt hostilities towards each other

peace is possible without resolution.
accept status quo
India stops the economic and diplomatic sabotage of Pakistani relations
stops support of BLA & other militants active in Pakistan
Pakistan also addresses all Indian concerns re LeT JeM and bans and dismantles all such militant organisations

India will never stop and only an idiot with a capital I would have such a wishful thinking. India has done and will keep doing whatever it can do destabilise Pakistan and I see it only increasing in the future if geopolitics stays the same. It is now up to Pakistan to decide which way it wants to go and how it will respond to this challenge.

Where is guarantee or even a glimpse of this happening?

 

[SIPRA]

I totally disagree with the posters here that India would, in all circumstances, keep on destabilizing Pakistan. We must understand that the fundamental issue, between India and Pakistan, is Kashmir. So, peace between India and Pakistan can be achieved, if following two conditions are met:

1) Pakistan totally forgo the issue of Kashmir. India is, and has always been, ready to settle the existing LOC/WB as international border, with some minor geographical adjustments, possibly in favor of Pakistan.
2) Pakistan accept the regional hegemony and dominance of India. Forgoing the Kashmir issue would also, indirectly, imply that.

One thing should not be ignored that nature of Indo-Pak and Indo-China disputes are grossly different. The Kashmir dispute is not fundamentally territorial; but pertains to granting "Right of Self Determination", to the people of Kashmir. It involves the sentiments of the Muslims of Kashmir and forgoing it would imply a betrayal, of the highest order, on the part of Pakistan.

Indian support of insurgencies and terrorism, in Pakistan, is fundamentally to coerce Pakistan to forgo the issue of Kashmir.

Now, can Pakistan forgo the issue of Kashmir?

 

[Lincoln]

I want to ask PDF Pakistanis what do they make of the continued insistence of the Pakistani government towards peace with India while India imposes terrorism as means of foreign policy to extend her hegemonic designs in the region.

Road to Peace goes through Kashmir and not through TAPI and IPI.

Trade, diplomatic relations: yes.

Peace and trust between the two? Never, not until Kashmir issue is solved once and for all.

Can it be solved without war? Yes, why not. Many countries have come to terms with others on sensitive issues.
- China with Russia on some territory.
- West Germany and East Germany
- Slavic States
- African States

So why not.
- Possible solution can be shared territory and shared government, with open border as in Europe.
- Another solution can be accepting current boundaries as they are.
Just possible solutions, I am not endorsing them.

 

[El Sidd]

Do you think Aksai Chin people should do same ? Like suicide blasts . Should india support them, arm them, provide weapons ,suicide jackets? Then Imagine the image in whole world.

Aksai Chin people should decide for themselves don't you think or should we impose our understanding on them?

piaaaaggg

kuch script se ghalat kaha kiya?

 

[Lincoln]

I totally disagree with the posters here that India would, in all circumstances, keep on destabilizing Pakistan. We must understand that the fundamental issue, between India and Pakistan, is Kashmir. So, peace between India and Pakistan can be achieved, if following two conditions are met:

1) Pakistan totally forgo the issue of Kashmir. India is, and has always been, ready to settle the existing LOC/WB as international border, with some minor geographical adjustments, possibly in favor of Pakistan.
2) Pakistan accept the regional hegemony and dominance of India. Forgoing the Kashmir issue would also, indirectly, imply that.

One thing should not be ignored that nature of Indo-Pak and Indo-China disputes are grossly different. The Kashmir dispute is not fundamentally territorial; but pertains to granting "Right of Self Determination", to the people of Kashmir. It involves the sentiments of the Muslims of Kashmir and forgoing it would imply a betrayal, of the highest order, on the part of Pakistan.

Indian support of insurgencies and terrorism, in Pakistan, is fundamentally to coerce Pakistan to forgo the issue of Kashmir.

Now, can Pakistan forgo the issue of Kashmir?

I agree with this partially. Any enmity between the two is due to Kashmir. If Kashmir is resolved, the two countries have no reason to fight. Any support to insurgents across the border is all for Kashmir.

 

[El Sidd]

Trade, diplomatic relations: yes.

Peace and trust between the two? Never, not until Kashmir issue is solved once and for all.

Can it be solved without war? Yes, why not. Many countries have come to terms with others on sensitive issues.
- China with Russia on some territory.
- West Germany and East Germany
- Slavic States
- African States

So why not.
- Possible solution can be shared territory and shared government, with open border as in Europe.
- Another solution can be accepting current boundaries as they are.
Just possible solutions, I am not endorsing them.

You need to contradict yourself less if solutions are of any value to you

 

[Lincoln]

Where is guarantee or even a glimpse of this happening?

None. But its pretty obvious that Kashmir is the flash point. Without Kashmir issue, the two countries don't have a reason to fight each other.

You need to contradict yourself less if solutions are of any value to you

You need to be more elaborate.

 

[El Sidd]

You need to be more elaborate.

its not 1958 anymore.

its 2019.

West Germany and East Germany

Eff of with your Aloo Gosht logic.

you want to be alternative. get your hair dyed aqua green or something.

 

[SIPRA]

I agree with this partially. Any enmity between the two is due to Kashmir. If Kashmir is resolved, the two countries have no reason to fight. Any support to insurgents across the border is all for Kashmir.

Second condition of accepting Indian regional hegemony and superiority is also essential. In any case, if you accept the so-called "Resolution", proposed by India; that would automatically imply that.

 

[pak-marine]

Aksai Chin people should decide for themselves don't you think or should we impose our understanding on them?



kuch script se ghalat kaha kiya?

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