Alternative theories to the Mumbai attack

[ejaz007]

Any evidence provided will not suffice, for Petes sake Omar Syed Shake and Mazood Azhar, both conviceted in India roamed freely in Pakistan. If those are not terrosits and if they can roam freely I don't have any doubts that whatever cooperation they show will be nothing short of horse and Pony show..

If their was any evidence it should have been sent to Pakistan for action. Convicting some one is not the answer. We can convict 100 Indians in PAkistan would you hang them all.

Masood Azhar was arrested and kept in detention for about six or seven months. I don't remember the exact time. But we had to release him since we cant keep any one locked up without proof. Perhaps Pakistan was anticipating proof will be provided but nothing was provided so they had to release him.

There is no ISI involvement your own CM has now said that. Read above post.

However atleast now we know how efficient your intelligence and security agencies are and in case of war we know we have loop holes to exploit.

 

[Neo]

US has no reason to doubt Pakistan: White House​

Mon Dec 1, 2008

WASHINGTON (AFP) – The White House said Monday it had "no reason" to doubt Pakistan's public pledges to help investigate the recent deadly attacks in Mumbai and had no evidence that Islamabad was involved.

"I've heard nothing that says that the Pakistani government was involved," spokeswoman Dana Perino told reporters after India blamed the three-day siege, which left at least 170 dead, including six Americans, on Pakistani militants.

Asked whether Washington trusted Islamabad to help investigate the attacks, Perino replied: "We have no reason not to right now. Everything that they have said in their public statements and in their private statements to us has been encouraging."

Asked directly whether Pakistani intelligence -- often accused of ties to extremist groups -- had a hand in the attacks, Perino declined to comment.

US President George W. Bush held a meeting on the crisis in his "situation room" -- the state-of-the-art crisis management center in the White House basement -- and planned to meet with US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice when she returns from India, perhaps as early as Thursday, said Perino.

"The intelligence community is still assessing all aspects of the attacks, the motivation, the plotting and planning, and the operational details of it," she said.

Asked about tensions between the nuclear rivals, Perino compared their often difficult relations to a bone-dry forest in which one spark might be enough to touch off a blaze.

"In some ways that whole region is like a forest that hasn't had rain in many months and one spark could cause a big, roaring fire. That's what we're trying to avoid," she said.

"Obviously we want to help reduce tensions wherever possible. The good news is that the Pakistanis and the Indians have an open line of communication. This is something they didn't have just even a few years ago," she said.

"We have encouraged them to open that line of communication, and the Indians have gotten some responses from the Pakistanis that they are committed to following through on this investigation. That's a good and positive step. We need to continue to make sure that that helps," said Perino.

"We expect that all leads will be followed and that they will be carried out to the end, wherever that may lead," the spokeswoman said.

 

[haviZsultan]

Fears of sectarian violence after Mumbai carnage

19 hours ago

MUMBAI (AFP) — The Islamist militant attacks on Mumbai have led to fears that India could see a sectarian backlash as Hindu and Muslim groups exploit mutual suspicion for political and religious ends.

Underlying tensions between Muslims and Hindus that have simmered for decades could flare, if not in Mumbai then elsewhere in the country, in reaction to three days of carnage that officials have blamed on Islamist extremists aligned with Pakistan, members of both communities told AFP.

The majority of people from both sides of the sectarian divide wish to live in peace, said commentators, writers and ordinary Indians.

Right-wing Hindu groups could be expected to use Islamists' involvement in the attacks to garner support before next year's national elections, said writer Javed Anand.

But he added that both Hindu and Muslim communities were "in denial about terrorism in their own midst," which he said was "a nationwide issue."

Heavily-armed Islamist youths struck at a dozen sites late Wednesday, including luxury hotels, a hospital and a Jewish centre, taking hostages as they seized some of the city's iconic buildings, including the Taj Mahal hotel.

The Taj was finally cleared early Saturday with at least 172 people reported dead and nearly 300 others wounded.

Officials including Prime Minister Manmohan Singh have fingered "elements" in Pakistan as being behind the attacks, and Indian media have said one assailant taken alive was Pakistani.

Singh's Congress-led government has been labelled weak by the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), the main opposition group, which says the government is soft on terror -- an issue Anand said will be a pivot of the party's platform for elections that must be held by next May.

Anand, secretary general of activist group Muslims for a Secular Democracy, said the BJP was likely to use the Mumbai attacks to exploit a Hindu prejudice that "all terrorists are Muslims and all Muslims are loyal to Pakistan."

"On the Muslim side there is a belief that Muslims never do anything wrong, so they never get to the point of dealing with it within their own community," he said.

Referring to a government report released in late 2006, he said Muslims trailed majority Hindus, and even other minorities, in everything from literacy and child mortality to bank loans received and bus stops in their villages.

Findings of the Sachar Committee exacerbated feelings of marginalisation and victimisation among Muslims, who account for around 13 percent of India's 1.1 billion people, he said.

Tightened security in Mumbai following the attacks meant that a backlash could be felt elsewhere in the country, said newspaper editor Kumar Ketkar.

But "a sort of 'cold war' tension between the two communities in Mumbai will be further intensified" by the attacks, said Ketkar, editor of Marathi-language Loksatta.

Ketkar dated communal tensions back to the post-independence Partition of India in 1947 that created the Islamic state of Pakistan and led to horrific bloodletting between Muslims and Hindus.

"Fanatics and extremists from both groups have been trying to inflame sentiments and emotions, and sometimes it has even seemed as if the extremists on both sides are acting in unison to destroy the fabric of the city," he said.

Police are investigating the involvement of right-wing Hindu groups in recent attacks on Muslim targets, including mosques, believed to have been in retaliation for a wave of deadly blasts across the country.

Indian media reported last month that police were probing the possible involvement of Hindu extremists in two separate bomb blasts in September that killed seven people in the west of the country.

Newspapers said the investigation was looking at whether a right-wing group with links to the youth wing of the BJP had a hand in the attacks in Malegaon and Modasa cities on September 29.

Both came after a wave of deadly bombings apparently directed at middle-class Hindus and claimed by Islamist extremists.

Ketkar and others said repercussions from the Mumbai attacks are likely to be felt across India, with mutual Hindu-Muslim suspicion exploited by right-wing Hindu groups to boost BJP support.

"It is 'divide and rule' politics in the race for votes," financial consultant Paresh Shah said as he left Siddi Vinayak Mandir, a major Mumbai Hindu temple where he said he worships daily.

"You will see greater support for the BJP as a result. It is very negative for Indian sectarian relations, and it is very bad for a democratic country," he said.

Another worshipper at the temple said: "If it doesn't inflame tensions here in Mumbai, something will happen elsewhere in the country -- it always happens like this."

I have said this over and over and I say it again. It is actually the Indian hindu fanatical organizations that are the only gainers from this major attack. Indians deserve to know the truth behind the attack rather than constant finger pointing to Pakistan. This has happened for the past 40 attacks and blasts where Pakistan or Bangladesh have been blamed for the attacks. The BJP is suceeding in its agenda if you guys are believing this. Do justice to those killed and find out who really did this rather than pointing fingers constantly.

The Indians deserve a fair investigation. LET and Pakistans ISI have been blamed before and it has turned out wrong. LET and our ISI were blamed first for both those mosque bombings and the samjhauta. It has to be understood that it is only the Hindu fanatics who could have planned such a major attack and it is definately them benefitting here.

I appeal to the Indians to understand these things and realize that their own government is playing upon their emotions to make utter fools of them. In a country that makes 1/5 of world population with such great diversity some differences and some incidents are expected. How can it be everytime this apocalyptic foreign hostile nation bullshit is pulled off and you people just believe it?

Indians please stop blaming foreigners and believing stupidity in your papers when you see it. Please.

 

[ejaz007]

Pro-India IHK leaders ask Delhi to show restraint

* Former IHK chief minister Farooq Abdullah says it is improper to blame Pakistan without probe
* Mufti Sayeed says Mumbai attack a test for Indian, Pakistani leadership

By Iftikhar Gilani

NEW DELHI: Pro-India parties in Indian-held Kashmir (IHK) have called for restraint and asked the Indian government not to derail the relationship with Pakistan.

Two former IHK chief ministers - Dr Farooq Abdullah and Mufti Mohamamd Sayeed - have asked New Delhi to resist embarking on ‘punitive measures’ against Pakistan, as it was bound to cast a shadow on IHK.

National Conference leader Abdullah, who attended the all-party meeting called by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh late on Sunday, said it was not proper to blame Pakistan directly.

Blame: “It is a matter of proper investigation how terrorists reached Mumbai using the sea route. Without completing investigations, it is improper to blame Pakistan,” he said.

He called for strengthening the Joint Anti-Terror Mechanism (JATM) to fight terrorism together in South Asia. He said it appeared Islamabad was not involved in the Mumbai attacks.

‘’How can Pakistan be involved in the Mumbai terrorist attacks when their Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi was touring India to discuss terrorism and other issues?” he asked.

He said peace in South Asia was not possible unless India and Pakistan joined hands. He asked New Delhi to accelerate the peace process, instead of resorting to rhetoric.

Testing time: People’s Democratic Party patron Mufti Sayeed said the Mumbai terrorist attacks were a test for the leadership of India and Pakistan.

“In this depressing scenario, South Asia’s security and stability would largely depend on how the leadership of India and Pakistan confronts the challenge,” he said in a statement.

He asked the Indian government to appreciate the positive signals emanating from IHK and ensure that the Mumbai events do not result in any kind of confrontation in South Asia.

“It is my firm belief that a solution to all problems in the region is possible only within a space provided by co-operation and reconciliation between India and Pakistan,” he said.

Sayeed said it would be disastrous to fall into the trap laid by the enemies of peace. He said the Mumbai attacks necessitated a joint response from India and Pakistan to ensure that the disruptive elements are not able to sabotage the peace process or weaken the forces of reconciliation in the region.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

 

[ejaz007]

Mumbai tragedy: Beware of innuendo on Pakistan

LAHORE: There is enough horrible and tragic news about the terrorist attacks and killings of innocent people in Mumbai in the last several days, without some careless media reporting and premature accusations by Indian officials suggesting Pakistani government responsibility making matters worse. Lanny Davis, a Washington lawyer and former special counsel to president Bill Clinton, wrote in the Washington Times.

He said he represented Pakistan in the 1990s and have visited the country several times, and made many close Pakistani friends during the time he helped Pakistan recover hundreds of millions of dollars the United States government owed it. It is not clear whether the government of India has actually made charges that the government of Pakistan was involved in the attacks or simply remained silent while certain of its officials anonymously suggested such involvement, broadcast through speculative media reporting rather than waiting for the facts to emerge, he said.

For example, Saturday´s New York Times quoted unnamed US intelligence officials that early ‘evidence’ indicated that Lashkar-e-Tayyaba, a group based in Pakistani Kashmir, ‘might’ have been involved in the terrorist attacks. The Times paraphrased Indian Foreign Minister Pranab Mukherjee, as stating that ‘early evidence explicitly pointed to Pakistan’s involvement’. Note the words ‘explicitly’ and ‘Pakistan’s involvement’.

But the actual quote from the foreign minister is a bit more ambiguous. He is quoted as actually saying, "Preliminary evidence, prima facie evidence, indicates elements with links to Pakistan are involved." ‘Elements’ with ‘links’ to ‘Pakistan’? That is pure innuendo. That certainly implies the government of Pakistan was involved, but it could also mean, simply, that some of the murderous terrorists happened to be Pakistani.

Exacerbating the innuendo suggesting Pakistani government involvement are references to the secretive Pakistan intelligence agency, the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI. It has often been reported that in years past the ISI has supported, directly or indirectly, Lashkar-e-Tayyaba and other groups in Pakistani Kashmir supporting the reuniting of Kashmir as part of Pakistan. It has also been frequently reported that the ISI supported the Taliban during the pre-9/11 years when the Taliban controlled the Afghan government and served as a base for Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. But that does not mean the ISI, especially under the new democratically elected government of President Asif Ali Zardari, had anything to do with Mumbai.

Nevertheless, the Indian government at the highest level needs to control casual remarks by senior officials suggesting a connection between the Mumbai horror and the government and people of Pakistan. The times are too dangerous to get out in front of the facts - especially between two nuclear powers. Perhaps just as important, it simply isn´t fair. Buried in the weekend’s press reports are statements from the same anonymous US intelligence ‘officials’ briefing the New York Times reporters about the possible involvement of a group of Pakistani Kashmir-based militants was the statement that there was ‘no evidence that the Pakistani government had any role in the attacks’. But that sentence either was downplayed or omitted from most other media reporting.

Zardari wasted no time immediately issuing public statements abhorring the terrorist attacks and offering full co-operation to find out who was behind the attacks. On Friday, as the attacks were unfolding and there were already published reports of Pakistan's involvement spreading around the world on the Internet, Zardari immediately stated, "Non-state actors wanted to force upon the governments their own agenda, but they must not be allowed to succeed."

During a four-day visit to India, which happened to fall during the terrorist attacks, Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi reacted to the innuendo apparently coming from Indian politicians and officials by saying to the Indian government, "Do not bring politics into this issue. This is a collective issue. We are facing a common enemy, and we should join hands and defeat the enemy." The Pakistani ambassador to the US Husain Haqqani endorsed ‘confronting the menace of terrorism with great vigor’.

He also made the obvious point - but not so obvious from reading most media reports - that it is "unfair to blame Pakistan [for] terrorism even before an investigation is undertaken”. To demonstrate its bona fides, Pakistan took the unusual - indeed from a historical standpoint, breathtakingly unprecedented - position of offering to send a representative of the ISI to India to help with the investigation. If such a suggestion had been made as recently as last year, the person suggesting it would have been seen as taking leave of his senses.

India and Pakistan are two truly great countries with which America must maintain close relations - in the war against terror, to deal with the global economic crisis, in trade, and most important, to work together to avoid violence and even a nuclear confrontation over Kashmir, giving a new president-elect Barack Obama a chance to facilitate a final, peaceful solution to the Kashmir dispute as one of his highest foreign-policy priorities. The facts will come out about who is behind this terrorism. All, including the media, need to be patient and wait for that to happen, rather than whisper - and publish - inflammatory and unsubstantiated innuendo. daily times monitor


Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

 

[ngold]

Apart from billion of hanumans jumping BD-PAK trees, some of those seemed to master deflection art called 'Conspiracy theory'. But unless sensationalized, emotional screae m of Islamic Terra -Muslim terra, Islamization weren't rationalized by logic, science; no one needed pay any heed to such rhetoric, especially since conspiracy theory itself was proved to be the biggest conspiracy in many cases and purohit's apprehension was just the tip of the ice burg.

Mind ur langu.. its not a war of religion.. I have lots of quotes that can hurt ur feelings so avoid these......

 

[fatman17]

Balance of Opinion: Identifying the enemy in Mumbai

Monday, December 1, 2008

With still no clear identification of an organization behind the terrorist attacks in Mumbai last week, pundits are piecing together what evidence exists to draw their own conclusions.

The group claiming responsibility calls itself "Deccan Mujahedeen," but Ralph Peters considers this "just the equivalent of a U.S. Army task-force name ... The terrorists' deeper affiliation could lie with any number of Pakistan-sanctioned Islamist groups – or with India's homegrown Muslim terrorists, who have their own indirect connections with Pakistan.

"Preliminary statements issued by the Indian government claim that most, if not all, of the terrorists were Pakistani nationals," the New York Post columnist writes. "Yet, even if proven, this does not mean that the current government in Islamabad knew of the attackers' plan. It didn't."

Mr. Peters points out Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence, a "law-unto-itself" government agency "with deep ties to extremists," has "spent decades nurturing terrorists ... Now the current Pakistani government can't control the demons the policies of its predecessors unleashed."

Fareed Zakaria, who was born in Mumbai, focuses on the sectarian problems of his native country, mindful "the cancerous rise of fundamentalism and radicalism that has swept up Muslims everywhere has not spared India. ...

"A perverse consequence of the partition of the Indian subcontinent," the Newsweek columnist writes, "is that Muslims are everywhere a minority [in India] – which closes off the chance at political power. (The parts of British India that had Muslim majorities became Pakistan and Bangladesh.) They have not shared in the progress of the last two decades and face a Hindu nationalist movement, parts of which are ugly and violent."

Mark Steyn decides that trying to identify which terrorist organization masterminded the attacks is "missing the point ... It could be all or none of them.

"The ideology has been so successfully seeded around the world that nobody needs a memo from corporate HQ to act ... ," the Orange County Register columnist writes. "It's not the Cold War, with a small network of deep sleepers being directly controlled by Moscow. There are no membership cards, only an ideology. That's what has radicalized hitherto moderate Muslim communities ... and co-opted what started out as more or less conventional nationalist struggles in the Caucasus and the Balkans into mere tentacles of the global jihad."

Now that the U.S. military has spent seven years waging war in Afghanistan and Iraq, Anne Applebaum decides it's too easy to forget the "initial analysis" of the enemy after 9/11.

"Unlike terrorist groups of the past, [al-Qaeda] operated not as a single, secretive organization but more like a global franchise," Ms. Applebaum writes in Slate. "Organizations and individuals with various agendas could go to al-Qaeda for weapons and training. Afterward, they could, in effect, set up their own local branches, whose goals and methods might reflect the original, Saudi-inspired al-Qaeda ideology – or might not. ... By definition, the members of such groups ... would not be combatants in the ordinary sense of the word. They would not wear uniforms, follow rules or organize themselves into anything resembling a traditional army. And they could not, therefore, be fought only with traditional military methods ...

"Perhaps the Mumbai gunmen will ... turn out to be members of a homegrown, locally based, ad hoc organization ... Or perhaps they will turn out to belong to a definite group with a clear ideology ... Surely the point, though, is that we should be well-prepared to deal with either – and wary of mistaking one for the other."

Nancy Kruh is a freelance writer in Dallas; her e-mail address is nkruh@balanceofopinion.com.

 

[ejaz007]

Manmohan asked to stop Indian security agencies’ blame game

* BJP spokesman says security agencies using media to defame each other

NEW DELHI: India’s main opposition Bhartiya Janata Party (BJP) and security experts on Tuesday asked Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh to intervene and end a row between various intelligence and security agencies to absolve themselves from the responsibility of failing to prevent the Mumbai attacks.

Soon after the attacks, a Mumbai-based newspaper blamed the Indian intelligence agency Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) for failing to gather intelligence, and its involvement in corruption, nepotism, and misuse of its vast secret funds.

“Officials in the agency, [instead of] ... helping the country fight its enemies ... are busy fighting among themselves, further eroding its competence,” the newspaper said. Apparently challenging these allegations following briefings by RAW, the Hindustan Times published details of satellite and telephone intercepts indicating such an attack. All these intercepts had been passed on to the security agencies concerned, including the Indian Navy, for further action.

“The revelations about the phone intercepts (which RAW has documented) are certain to lead to questions about the government’s inept response to the attack, especially as the intercepts make it clear that (a) Mumbai hotels were being targeted, (b) that the sea route was being used, and (c) that the attacks were imminent,” wrote columnist Vir Sanghvi. He further stated though the intercepts were clear, detailed and specific, the Mumbai police had no specific inputs from intelligence agencies.

Media: The BJP said it was a “civil war-type situation” where various agencies were briefing the media against each other. BJP spokesman Arun Jaitley said the people were frightened to think what would happen to their security if the security system collapses.

The moral authority of the prime minister and the legitimacy of his office to control these agencies has crumbled leading to a fierce blame game using newspaper columns to shrug off responsibility even before the government fixes it, Jaitley told reporters at the BJP headquarters. He said the nation was worried about the blame game among security agencies at a time when a close co-ordination was urgently required.

Jaitley was referring to RAW using columns of a prominent daily to paint the national security adviser and the Intelligence Bureau (IB) in bad light; and the navy denying the IB’s claim of providing information about an attack through the sea route.

Joint probe: To a question about Pakistan’s suggestion of a joint probe into the attacks, Jaitley asked “why not have a joint probe involving the Lashkar-e-Tayyaba”, which is allegedly behind the attacks. iftikhar gilani

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

 

[ejaz007]

Commandos killed Jews, says Israeli rescue group
By Jawed Naqvi

NEW DELHI, Dec 2: A private rescue group from Israel has claimed that Indian commandos inadvertently killed some of the hostages in the terror attacks in Mumbai, and the claim has evidently embarrassed both governments, news reports said on Tuesday.

“Based on what I saw, (although) I can’t identify the type of bullets in the bodies (of the victims), I don’t think the terrorists killed all the hostages, to put it gently,” Mr Haim Weingarten, head of the six-member team of Zaka voluntary organisation dealing with rescue and recovery, told The Jerusalem Post.

Press Trust of India said from Jerusalem that the claim had embarrassed the Israeli government, which is worried about its fallout on ties with the Indian government.

According to PTI, Mr Weingarten told the Post from Mumbai that all the six Jewish and Israeli hostages found dead in the Chabad House were killed by either gunshot wounds or shrapnel from grenade blasts, or both, and that he didn’t know who threw or fired the grenades that wounded the hostages.

Although lacking forensic tools to determine the time of death, Mr Weingarten was quoted as saying that his team’s observations led him to believe that “some of the hostages were killed on Wednesday (when gunmen first entered the building), some on Thursday, and some on Friday morning (during the start of the commando raid)”.

Zaka officials believe that in a final act of love, the director of the Chabad House, Rabbi Gavriel Holtzberg, wrapped the body of his wife Rivka in a tallit (prayer shawl) before succumbing to his own wounds during the final hours of the siege, it said.

The volunteers on the scene found the bodies of Israeli grandmother Yocheved Orpaz (62) and Jewish Mexican national Norma Shvarzblat Rabinovich (50) bound to one another with a phone cord.

Meanwhile, the Indian foreign ministry held a briefing “to convey the deepest condolences of the Government of India to those countries whose nationals were killed in the terrorist attack in Mumbai.” Heads of mission from these countries were present in the briefing. “They were also informed of details of the terrorist attack and the investigation so far,” the ministry said.

Possibly following the briefing, the Israeli government slammed the Zaka group for alleging that Indian commandos might have inadvertently killed one or more Jewish hostages during the Nariman House operation, saying the “irresponsible” comments could cause considerable damage to bilateral ties.

“They are causing all kinds of problems,” a senior Israeli foreign ministry official said about the six-member team of the Zaka voluntary group that flew on Thursday “on its own volition” to Mumbai for a rescue operation after the deadly terror strikes.

“They are selling all kinds of stories to journalists looking for stories, and taking credit for things they didn’t do,” the official told The Jerusalem Post. It remains a mystery why India has allowed a clearly unauthorised group from Israel to carry out its self-styled rescue at the site of a mind-boggling crime. Usually such sensitive sites are sealed off to visitors till official investigations are underway.

Commandos killed Jews, says Israeli rescue group -DAWN - Top Stories; December 03, 2008

 

[fatman17]

there was some very interesting news discussions on one of the indian channels. summary is as:

1. a lot of mumbaians didnt know that a jewish center existed in nariman bldg/center.
2. israeli commandos were present in the nariman bldg?. how did they get there so quickly esp since the NSG took 9 hrs from delhi (by one account)
3. there were south-african commandos in the taj hotel? how did they get there and fully armed? they claim to have saved 150 hotel guests!

so what role did the NSG play and then they took all the credit!

very bizzare! what the hell is going on!

 

[Awesome]

there was some very interesting news discussions on one of the indian channels. summary is as:

1. a lot of mumbaians didnt know that a jewish center existed in nariman bldg/center.
2. israeli commandos were present in the nariman bldg?. how did they get there so quickly esp since the NSG took 9 hrs from delhi (by one account)
3. there were south-african commandos in the taj hotel? how did they get there and fully armed? they claim to have saved 150 hotel guests!

so what role did the NSG play and then they took all the credit!

very bizzare! what the hell is going on!

One of the the South African commando was on TV.

He apparently said he used old school tactics and armed all the guests in some restaurant with forks and knives. But they never got to fight since he led them away from the action and barricaded in a conference room till help came.

So did the Israeli commandoes actually participate in the rescue effort?

 

[vish]

The media is very confusing; take everything it says with a pinch of salt.

Just a few points:
1) The Jewish victims were badly tortured before they were killed. In other words, there was no hostage situation.
2) The same is the case for other two locales (Taj & Oberoi). People who barricaded themselves in rooms were called hostages by the media. The ones the terrorists managed to lay their hands on were killed on the very first day itself.
3) Those South African guys were bodyguards, not commandos.
4) The terrorists were high on drugs.

 

[Awesome]

The media is very confusing; take everything it says with a pinch of salt.

Just a few points:
1) The Jewish victims were badly tortured before they were killed. In other words, there was no hostage situation.
2) The same is the case for other two locales (Taj & Oberoi). People who barricaded themselves in rooms were called hostages by the media. The ones the terrorists managed to lay their hands on were killed on the very first day itself.
3) Those South African guys were bodyguards, not commandos.
4) The terrorists were high on drugs.

They were high on drugs? Hash?

Reason I'm asking that is that during the medieval times there existed a group called Al Hashasheen, from which the name Assassin was derived.

Apparently this group was the Muslim equivalent of the Knights Templar. All of these groups had to go into hiding once the Kings of the time figured out they were getting too strong. Like the Knights Templar they went out of sight.

It is also believed the modern day illuminati is a culmination of the Knights Templar, The Priori of Zion, the Occultists and the Hashasheen. They were called Hashasheen since they took Hash and then went after their targets.

 

[vish]

They were high on drugs? Hash?

Reason I'm asking that is that during the medieval times there existed a group called Al Hashasheen, from which the name Assassin was derived.

Apparently this group was the Muslim equivalent of the Knights Templar. All of these groups had to go into hiding once the Kings of the time figured out they were getting too strong. Like the Knights Templar they went out of sight.

It is also believed the modern day illuminati is a culmination of the Knights Templar, The Priori of Zion, the Occultists and the Hashasheen. They were called Hashasheen since they took Hash and then went after their targets.

What are you talking about?

They were high on drugs; official statements have been made in this regard.

 

[Awesome]

I'm not disputing that.