Alternate History : What if Jinnah continued in Indian National Congress?

[padamchen]

Free undivided India out of commonwealth. Slow and steady expulsion of radical elements from both Muslim League and Congress.

Expulsion where.

 

[scorpionx]

Expulsion where.

Oblivion

 

[JafarQureshi]

Hinduwadis are just loud Hindus trying to beat the Muslim at his own game.

Loud and stupid.

Are they stupid by nature or by design?

 

[padamchen]

Oblivion

Huge masses of people on both sides were radical.

That radicalism.was let free in Pakistan.

And fomented beneath the surface in India.

You cannot kill an idea. Only people.

Are they stupid by nature or by design?

Nature. It's a cultural thing for them.

They do not have the indoctrination a Muslim like you enjoys from birth.

It's all very hippy and free thinking flower power fir most of them.

 

[scorpionx]

Huge masses of people on both sides were radical.

That radicalism.was let free in Pakistan.

And fomented beneath the surface in India.

You cannot kill an idea. Only people.

These radicalized people lived with each other for thousand years, right? But without a leader mass means absolutely nothing. Just see how AIML performed in the elections prior to quit India movement. It is just stupid radical elements within AICC and further, Jinnah's firm resolute that broke Pakistan out of British India.

 

[padamchen]

These radicalized people lived with each other for thousand years, right? But without a leader mass means absolutely nothing. Just see how AIML performed in the elections prior to quit India movement. It is just stupid radical elements within AICC and further, Jinnah's firm resolute that broke Pakistan out of British India.

My limited point is and has remained for years that the fight didn't finish in 1947.

The Muslims just bought time and a border to arm behind.

 

[scorpionx]

My limited point is and has remained for years that the fight didn't finish in 1947.

The Muslims just bought time and a border to arm behind.

Almost 30 cr Muslims live in India today, doc. A many things matter including regional cultural influence. A muslim is not just A muslim. Hope you are getting my point too.

 

[padamchen]

Almost 30 cr Muslims live in India today, doc. A many things matter including regional cultural influence. A muslim is not just A muslim. Hope you are getting my point too.

Agree.

But my old friend, do you agree that by culture a Muslim and Hindu are different?

From the same area.

Indoctrination is what it boils down to. How a child grows up seeing the world and "others".

That's the root I'm afraid.

India is a unique case, because there is a huge Muslim population surrounded by a much higher non converted ancestral faith.

This is a one off in the history of the world and 1400 years of Islam.

Even Spain evolved different.

 

[Adonis]

Jinnah simply had the political skill and diplomacy to see it through peacefully, but the idea of Pakistan was already strong among Western Indian Muslims by 1940.

Punjabi Muslims alone made up 30-40% of the British Indian Army, all that would be needed is the smallest spark and a civil war would ignite. One way or another Pakistan would still be created.

Fact is Pakistan was not created by common Muslims (even of West India)...it is created by Muslim landlords, feudal elites who were scared of loosing their stature in 1. Democratic society (as India was perceived to be before Independence and 2. Loosing to better educated non-Muslims.

After the defeat of Muslim league in 1937 provincial election (not even a single seat won by ML), Jinnah realised that the dream for separate land for Muslims need to be coated with religion (Islam is in danger) the notion was ably funded by feudal elites.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1937_Indian_provincial_elections.

 

[padamchen]

Remember @scorpionx

In the history of the world post Islam

Pakistan and Bangladesh are the NORM

India is the outlier.

 

[JafarQureshi]

Free undivided India out of commonwealth. Slow and steady expulsion of radical elements from both Muslim League and Congress.

Indian Muslim League did not have much right wing elements. Jinnah was a liberal. Most of the right wing elements supported Abul Kalam Azad and remained with Congress and stayed in India after the partition.

Note that Abul Kalam Azad was the leader of Khilafat Movement which Jinnah staunchly opposed it.

Indian Muslim League was made up of elite and liberal Muslims. Not all Muslims had voting rights. Only Elite Muslims had those rights. The poorer Muslims were the right wing Muslims.

In fact, the right wing Muslim party Jamaat-e-Islami opposed the creation of Pakistan as it meant Muslims of the subcontinent losing the political power to the Hindus.

 

[padamchen]

Fact is Pakistan was not created by common Muslims (even of West India)...it is created by Muslim landlords, feudal elites who were scared of loosing their stature in 1. Democratic society (as India was perceived to be before Independence and 2. Loosing to better educated non-Muslims.

After the defeat of Muslim league in 1937 provincial election (not even a single seat won by ML), Jinnah realised that the dream for separate land for Muslims need to be coated with religion (Islam is in danger) the notion was ably funded by feudal elites.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1937_Indian_provincial_elections.

What I said.

 

[JafarQureshi]

Fact is Pakistan was not created by common Muslims (even of West India)...it is created by Muslim landlords, feudal elites who were scared of loosing their stature in 1. Democratic society (as India was perceived to be before Independence and 2. Loosing to better educated non-Muslims.

After the defeat of Muslim league in 1937 provincial election (not even a single seat won by ML), Jinnah realised that the dream for separate land for Muslims need to be coated with religion (Islam is in danger) the notion was ably funded by feudal elites.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1937_Indian_provincial_elections.

And Jinnah succeed in his mission.

All is fair in love, war and politics.

 

[padamchen]

And Jinnah succeed in his mission.

All is fair in love, war and politics.

Agree.

Question is, will India finally succeed or still keep playing the game out of alien playbooks?

On this give tge devil it's due

The score stands

Pakistan 770 years.

India 200.

 

[JafarQureshi]

Agree.

Question is, will India finally succeed or still keep playing the game out of alien playbooks?

The only solution is to divide India again to give right wing Muslims of India their home land. Even though we Pakistanis are liberal Muslims, we would be happy to support them to get back at India.