Alternate History : What if Jinnah continued in Indian National Congress?

[JafarQureshi]

Not quite, they're a rather distinct community.

Like both worshiping fire?

 

[Hamza913]

Coming to our Muslims, tge Hindus are doing to them what Muslim rulers did to non Muslims over centuries.

Marginalize.

Impoverish.

Tighten the screws.

Keep in place by institutional and social violence when necessary.

Eventually they will cave in and revert.

But just like how most of India didn't become Muslim, I doubt most of these Muslims will become Hindu.

 

[JafarQureshi]

The only solution is eradicate this mindset such as yours...to look everything from the prism of religion...so that better sense, unbiased approach towards other human so that world can be more peaceful and prosperous.

This is like a loser cursing the winner after losing the fight. I know you guys are not fit for fighting.

 

[padamchen]

But just like how most of India didn't become Muslim, I doubt most of these Muslims will become Hindu.

Not all. That's not what the Hindus are aiming for.

They are aiming for tge 10% golden mean.

 

[JafarQureshi]

Not all. That's not what the Hindus are aiming for.

They are aiming for tge 10% golden mean.

From 20% down to 10%. I would call that impossible. Even Corona virus can't deliver that for you.

 

[padamchen]

From 20% down to 10%. I would call that impossible. Even Corona virus can't deliver that for you.

I'm giving you stated goals.

Not WhatsApp chatter.

The exact number is 8% ...

 

[Adonis]

This is like a loser cursing the winner after losing the fight. I know you guys are not fit for fighting.

You? Winner?..... Lost half of your country to the same concept for which it was initially created, Isolated in the whole world, Poor/reeling economy looking at others for survival, one of the lowest standard of living/ Loosing at every stage and front of the world, Gave away Kashmir without a whim.....and still have audacity to think you are Winning.....

 

[JafarQureshi]

I'm giving you stated goals.

Not WhatsApp chatter.

The exact number is 8% ...

Plans need to be realistic otherwise they are bound to fail. How many of you are willing to have more than 5 kids? Forget about 5, Are you even willing to have 3? Most of the Indians that I know in US have only 1 or 2 kids.

 

[padamchen]

Plans need to be realistic otherwise they are bound to fail. How many of you are willing to have more than 5 kids? Forget about 5, Are you even willing to have 3? Most of the Indians that I know in US have only 1 or 2 kids.

I have 3.

Delhi Intifada has brought home another stark lesson.

8-10%

Coupled with area domination.

 

[JafarQureshi]

I have 3.

Delhi Intifada has brought home another stark lesson.

8-10%

Coupled with area domination.

The lesson from Delhi should be that Muslims will bring a gun to your lathi fight.

 

[padamchen]

The lesson from Delhi should be that Muslims will bring a gun to your lathi fight.

Perfect.

 

[Hamza913]

Not all. That's not what the Hindus are aiming for.

They are aiming for tge 10% golden mean.

That may be feasible if they do it properly, but I don't think they have enough strategic foresight to go slowly enough.

 

[padamchen]

That may be feasible if they do it properly, but I don't think they have enough strategic foresight to go slowly enough.

In fact I think that what they lack in aggressive indoctrination, Hindus excel in strategy. And patience.

They are in this for the long haul. They are winning their land back.

Every step they take is measured and brilliantly thought up and executed.

They are playing chess on a continental civilizational scale.

And the ground swell within the populace has changed over the past two years to congress being a foreign / anti-Indian party to now just being congress being a hugely corrupt party with dicey leadership and nepotism.

It's a huge shift.

They are now accepted as a soft Hindu party, whose time has not yet come.

Ditto for AAP. Good leadership. Too local. But Hindu to its core

 

[Hamza913]

Lost half of your country to the same concept for which it was initially created

Jinnah himself said to Mountbatten that a Punjabi is a Punjabi before he is a Muslim, and that a Bengali is a Bengali before he is a Muslim. Rehmat Ali also wanted Muslims in India to be divided into different states, and frequently spoke of culture.

The religious coating is simply a manifestation of something deeper.

Isolated in the whole world

We're not North Korea or Iran, calm down.

I don't necessarily disagree with the rest of your post (beyond one point, which I shall get to), and him calling us "winners" is silly, but we should take this as a lesson for improvement, not despair.

Gave away Kashmir without a whim

Imran Khan's move is strategic in nature, it's not as if the support for Kashmiri insurgents shall stop.

Hindus excel in strategy. And patience.

The Brahmins? Definitely. The others? Imho, not so much.

They are in this for the long haul. They are winning their land back.

Every step they take is measured and brilliantly thought up and executed.

They are playing chess on a continental civilizational scale.

I just don't think they're able to tame the hordes that follow them. Until they do, I shall remain sceptical of them being able to achieve their goal without igniting more civil conflict (that would result in their objective becoming unattainable).

 

[Old School]

My limited point is and has remained for years that the fight didn't finish in 1947.

The Muslims just bought time and a border to arm behind.

That is correct. It was a strategic retreat masterminded by Jinnah but not understood by majority of Indian Hindus. All subsequent Pakistani rulers except ZA Bhutto have been keeping this fact in mind. There will be a Panipat IV. The question is not if but when. If you look at the map of Pakistan it resembles an offensive formation waiting to overrun India's western front just as all previous invasion took place. Then there is a possibility of highly unexpected Hannibalian envelopment from the north.
BJP is not the kind of party which will save India as this party is a pseudo-Hinduwadi party which looks after the rich mafia class at the expenses of their poor Muslim citizens.