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I think also that @KungFuLee and @FedererExpress are the same Indian troll.
we can smell this RSS scumbag stinky curry small 500 miles away
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I think also that @KungFuLee and @FedererExpress are the same Indian troll.
I am a Pakistani in a Pakistani forum, what is your business here?
I can say as I feel and believe. None of your concern, you are welcome to leave if you hate Pakistanis.
I would not be surprised if you are another India , you people never get sick of fake IDs.
Just because British stole Hong Kong from China, and refused to give it back until recently, it doesn't make Hong Kong independent. Same for Taiwan, Chinese emperor fled from there after Communist take over and they have become a Western base against China. Both are part of China and are Chinese.
British did the same with Pakistan, they gave our land of Kashmir to murdering, rapist Indians who killed 100,000 and raped 10,000 Kashmiris since 1947.
We won't forget their double games and 100% support China who suffered the same.
It’s got absolutely nothing to do with any of that. This is another attempt by the CCP trolls to silence dissenting voices on this forum. Unless you kiss the CCP’s backside, you will get accused and threatened.
This is to bully the moderators into censoring our voices. Communists love censorship. They censor everything in China and now export their censorship to the rest of the world.
Imagine if they do these things to us what kind of monstrosity they do to the Uyghurs and Tibetans.
Indonesians murdered tens of thousands of ethnic Chinese in the 1960s and raped and murdered hundreds of Chinese girls in the 1990s.
The Chinese language was banned.
Unlike the Uighurs who slaughtered 100s of Chinese in terrorist attacks, the ethnic Chinese in Indonesia were not engaged in terrorism.
So should China ask Indonesia for an explanation?
Then what's the Chinese business here? What's the Indian business here? What the Indonesia business here? If this is a Pakistan Forum and it is none of any one other than Pakistani business here, should the moderation team ban all other nationality and move on?
This post is not about Pakistan, nor do I give anything for Pakistan.
You said he is an Indian so he can't reply to Muslim issue? Right? I specifically quote you the things you said about Hong Kong and China. So, I want to know, are you Chinese or Hong Konger? If not, how are you "Qualify" to comment on Hong Kong and China issue?
I am using your logic to put into the question. If he should shut up regarding Muslim issue, you should shut up about Hong Kong issue.
And using your logic again. I can say what I believe, and I believe you should act what you preach, you are welcome to leave if you hate what I said.
Muwahhhaaaa. I don't know where to begin.
The Brits "Stole" Hong Kong? If they did stole Hong Kong, why would they "Return" it.
Nobody said Hong Kong are independent. You want to think a lot of Hong Konger think like that is your business, but as I said, you know NOTHING other than the Chinese Media told you, you know nothing about what's actually happening on the ground. Again, can you even point out where Hong Kong is on a Map?
And LOL, the last Chinese "Emperor" ceased to exist in around 1905 in functionality and was overthrown by Sun Yet-Sen led (not him personally) republic of China government (Yes, the government that in charge of Taiwan now) in 1911 with Xinhai Revolution. Sun was and still is the "Forefather" of modern day China, and it was celebrated in both Taiwan and China. So you are saying The last Emperor of China fled to a place where the people who oust him govern? I think by definition, that is not "Fleeing".
The Emperor of China did not "fled" to Taiwan, he was in house arrest in the Forbidden Palace before fled to Japan and more precisely "Manchuria". As I said, if you know nothing about China or Chinese history, please refrain from commenting. It will only make you look stupid. I mean can you even name that "Emperor"? He have a name you know.
And what's have Indian kill and rape Kashmiris have to do with Hong Kong and China? Did Hong Kong give the order to the Indian? Or am I missing something?
That is why most Hong Konger don't want to be like them. We get a bit angry when people call us "Chinese" much like a you try to call a Scot "English"
I'm curious where will you get help when you are in trouble overseas.
China’s reply is so predictable
no point in even trying to talk to them
best thing is openly condemn and boy cott them and support HK and Taiwan
Looks like this dialogue is more or show only.... Look how they phased (So ,it’s not true that we are not doing anything, check our social media record), to give impression they pressed Chinese for anything. Indos, he can brag hard as if Indonesia really do anything to change China way of dealing in xinjiang. Fact is your government is more concern about dealing with west Papua than really asking China about xinjiang. China stance is clear. We will deal hard with extremism and rehabilitation practice for terrorist will still continue. I am sure Indonesia will understand when they are suffering from unrest from west Papua. I will not be surprised Indonesian government even consult Chinese government how to deal with separatist and extremism.Indonesian foreign minister not only ask Chinese foreign minister but also tell him about the importance of freedom of religion. It is in my opinion is some sort of diplomatic pressure.
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Retno said she met with her Chinese counterpart Wang Yi on Dec. 16 and Chinese Ambassador for Indonesia Xiao Qian on Monday.
“We have been communicating continuously with the Chinese government to express and request information regarding the situation,” Retno said after attending a meeting at the Coordinating Ministry for Political, Legal, and Security Affairs’ compound in Central Jakarta.
She said Indonesia is actively engaging diplomatic measures on the issue.
“We had a pretty long talk with the [Chinese] foreign minister, and we stressed about the importance of freedom of religion. So, it’s not true that we are not doing anything, check our social media record,” Retno said.
https://jakartaglobe.id/news/indonesia-is-not-silent-on-uighur-foreign-minister
Why would I get into trouble overseas? And if so, I can tell you this as a law graduate, no one can actually help you.
Looks like this dialogue is more or show only.... Look how they phased (So ,it’s not true that we are not doing anything, check our social media record), to give impression they pressed Chinese for anything. Indos, he can brag hard as if Indonesia really do anything to change China way of dealing in xinjiang. Fact is your government is more concern about dealing with west Papua than really asking China about xinjiang. China stance is clear. We will deal hard with extremism and rehabilitation practice for terrorist will still continue. I am sure Indonesia will understand when they are suffering from unrest from west Papua. I will not be surprised Indonesian government even consult Chinese government how to deal with separatist and extremism.
Indonesian foreign minister not only ask Chinese foreign minister but also tell him about the importance of freedom of religion. It is in my opinion is some sort of diplomatic pressure.
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Retno said she met with her Chinese counterpart Wang Yi on Dec. 16 and Chinese Ambassador for Indonesia Xiao Qian on Monday.
“We have been communicating continuously with the Chinese government to express and request information regarding the situation,” Retno said after attending a meeting at the Coordinating Ministry for Political, Legal, and Security Affairs’ compound in Central Jakarta.
She said Indonesia is actively engaging diplomatic measures on the issue.
“We had a pretty long talk with the [Chinese] foreign minister, and we stressed about the importance of freedom of religion. So, it’s not true that we are not doing anything, check our social media record,” Retno said.
https://jakartaglobe.id/news/indonesia-is-not-silent-on-uighur-foreign-minister
China’s reply is so predictable
no point in even trying to talk to them
best thing is openly condemn and boy cott them and support HK and Taiwan
I'm curious where will you get help when you are in trouble overseas.
I think you are misunderstood. What kind of pressure Indonesia apply on China? Did Indonesia threaten to expel China embassy? Or Indonesia threaten any kind of economic sanction against the Chinese? What is wrong with dialogue talking about religion protection? As if China is not doing that all along.. has Indonesia foreign minister indeed mentioned China is torturing muslim and reprimand the China foreign ambassador? More like more of a exhange of dialogue and nothing more...By asking and stressing about the important of freedom of religion directly to Chinese foreign minister means that Indonesian government give Chinese government some sort of political pressure. This action also show some kind of opposition coming from biggest Muslim majority country about China policy on Uigyur. Xi Jinping may not back down his policy after this diplomatic action, but at least some Chinese officials in China leadership (Politburo) who dont agree with Xi Jinping measure on that region can get more reason to voice their opposition on Xi handling on Xinjiang by (maybe) telling that Indonesian action can lead other Muslim nations to do the same and create a snow ball in the end that can further isolate China in the Muslim world.
Information coming from our delegation who visited the camp are not good. They told press that the people who are forced to do vocational training there are not terrorist, but Uigyur people who have strong Islamic commitment. So there is perception in here that China believe that Uigyur people with strong Islamic commitment have big potency to do terrorist action. This can be regarded as an attack on Islam belief. As Muslim are brothers to one another, we cannot just be silent. Those people who are locked on the camp also cannot pray 5 times daily and there is no assurance whether food which is served on the camp are Halal. If Muslim are silent on this, there is possibility that event Hui and Kazak community will be targeted as well in the future.
It is also true that our administration try to please Islamist segment in our society that has criticized Chinese excessive treatment on Uigyur people. Their action has lead to growing anti China sentiment among Muslim Indonesian, particularly the conservative group. The campaign is also spread in Facebook and WhatsApp, not only traditional media like online news and newspaper.
As I mentioned earlier, Jokowi comes from secular nationalist party (PDI-P), so he doesnt have strong urge to pressure China over XinJiang issue, but nevertheless, his coalition also need Muslim support and his Vice President also comes from Islamist organization (MUI/Indonesia Ulama Council).
If 2024 election is won by Islamist and Nationalist Religious coalition, I predict more action will be taken by our foreign minister office. Some concrete measure like lobbying on OIC to press China further could be taken. But if China somehow change their policy in Xin Jiang, I believe more positive view about China will be prevail in Muslim world.