ALL Xinjiang related issues e.g. uyghur people, development, videos etc, In here please.

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Typical Pakistani and Desi attitude, disagree with them and they will try to hang you from the ceiling...

We should learn to disagree and still respect each other. In the end of the day, Pakistanis have only each other.

 

[Itachi]

https://time.com/5496435/china-12-diplomats-tour-xinjiang/

I read the whole article, no where in the article does it mention the responses of the 12 diplomats and what they think about their visit. Plus, they only visited one such place, there are hundreds detention camps all over Xinjiang.

All the article does if reinforce that China is treating the Uyghurs harshly and the whole world, expect for the braindead and the back bending servants, have taken notice.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Dude.....Mao literally killed millions of his own people to get his country off from the ground.....not something we should emulate lol.

Pakistan can also afford to lose a few million traitors in our midst. Anyone who sells our sovereignty to foreign hands.

We could use a great leader like that.

It was always what Pakistan has needed, unfortunately our military dictators themselves were sub-par and democratic ones open enemies to our state.

Quaid e Azam did not live long enough to make his vision a reality.

In sha Allah, Pakistan gets the leadership it deserves.

 

[Itachi]

Pakistan can also afford to lose a few million traitors in our midst.

I'm pretty sure we don't have "few million traitors"...more like couple hundred, maybe couple thousand. Mao killed between 20-45 Million depending on sources...

 

[OIO]

I'm pretty sure we don't have "few million traitors"...more like couple hundred, maybe couple thousand. Mao killed between 20-45 Million depending on sources...

which sources?
it's said by west 20 millions died of famine in 1959-1961, the famine's not only Mao's fault.
China has never made the data public.

Do educate yourself first before telling others what is and what isn't.

educate yourself first!

Chairman Mao was a great personality who did much great for China and its people, and he is rightly admired by them.

We could learn much from China’s rise and emulate their development and industrialization.

the West leaders praised Gandhi in public, but they respected Mao in their hearts.

Nixon looked like a schoolboy in front of Mao.

 

[beijingwalker]

Hundreds of millions people died from flawed government polcies or natual disasters throughout the human history, but the west only says that Mao "killed" the Chinese population even with the clear evidence that people died from some wrong economic policies and natural disasters, those policies were designed to boost and help the Chinese nation and people, like the Great Leap Forward, but those policies backfired and indeed caused some adverse effects on China, they were quickly scrapped once proved wrong.

China's open up and reform policy which brought China this great prosperity and wealth was also a new policy trial, in essence , it was the same as the Great Leap Forward trial, the only difference is this policy trial has been proved a great success, Chinese government never stops trying news ways to boost the country and getting the population rich, there were and will be setbacks in this process but China won't stop, otherwise we won't be at where we are now today.

Hitler killed millions of Jews with the sole intention of killing them, not helping them, that's the definition of killing, the west for decades keeps equating Mao's development experiments with Hitlers's genocide, that only shows howe evil minded they are about China and only people with brain size as a bird will fall for this vicious anti China propaganda.

 

[TheTruth]

lol the Muslims population in China isn't "20% of their population"....they have so far only detained 1 million Uyghurs...

Uyghurs are native to the region while the Han Chinese aren't. Simple as that.

Are you a moron?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_dynasty

ISIS sympathizers like you are disgusting.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

ISIS sympathizers like you are disgusting.

I suggest you amend your post as this is most definitely against forum rules.

Our Pakistani brother differs with you on the Uyghur situation, and he has every right to air his views.

This does not make him a criminal.

Hundreds of millions people died from flawed government polcies or natual disasters throughout the human history, but the west only says that Mao "killed" the Chinese population even with the clear evidence that people died from some wrong economic policies and natural disasters, those policies were designed to boost and help the Chinese nation and people, like the Great Leap Forward, but those policies backfired and indeed caused some adverse effects on China, they were quickly scrapped once proved wrong.

China's open up and reform policy which brought China this great prosperity and wealth was also a new policy trial, in essence , it was the same as the Great Leap Forward trial, the only difference is this policy trial has been proved a great success, Chinese government never stops trying news ways to boost the country and getting the population rich, there were and will be setbacks in this process but China won't stop, otherwise we won't be at where we are now today.

Hitler killed millions of Jews with the sole intention of killing them, not helping them, that's the definition of killing, the west for decades keeps equating Mao's development experiments with Hitlers's genocide, that only shows howe evil minded they are about China and only people with brain size as a bird will fall for this vicious anti China propaganda.

Great answer. @Itachi Hope this is enough for your query about Mao.

 

[Arsalan 345]

Kindly ban this troll itachi.he is trying everything to create a rift between China and pakistan.he is talking about main.pakistan has nothing to do with mao or anyone.kindly delete this thread or ban him.

 

[vi-va]

Kindly ban this troll itachi.he is trying everything to create a rift between China and pakistan.he is talking about main.pakistan has nothing to do with mao or anyone.kindly delete this thread or ban him.

Agree. I think it's off topic unless @Itachi can approve this is necessary.

Certainly we can exchange views about current situation and issues in xinjiang. This thread is created for facts related to xinjiang uygur, not something 60 years ago, or 2000 years ago.

@Dubious , what do you think?

 

[beijingwalker]

This guy challenges China's territorial integrity over Xinjiang, this set him apart from other Pakistani posters here.

 

[Dubious]

Agree. I think it's off topic unless @Itachi can approve this is necessary.

Certainly we can exchange views about current situation and issues in xinjiang. This thread is created for facts related to xinjiang uygur, not something 60 years ago, or 2000 years ago.

@Dubious , what do you think?

Honestly speaking I actually thought he was indian....

He has been thread banned so he wont be allowed on this thread!

Just a friendly reminder to ALL ...Keep it civil!

 

[El Sidd]

As CPEC moves forward, a closer people to people contact will go a long way in shunning propaganda aimed at stirring up unrest in the underdeveloped part of China.

China's focus on uplifting the Uhigyur populace from poverty is admirable. An emerging developed Xinjiang promises a peaceful cornerstone for human development in the region.

Hopefully Chinese members and Pakistani members can shed more light through their observations and not rhetoric based propaganda which usually follows such threads.

Keep it up.

 

[Rasengan]

Yes, Chinese knew how Renaissance recovered Greece knowledge from Arabic books very well.

The concept that ancient Greece is the birthplaces of western civilization has a purpose. I am not questioning ancient Greece influence, I am questioning the concept that western civilization monopolize ancient Greece, so that easterners are easier to be demonized as uncivilized. And concept has power, it can shape the way people think and who we are.

The Renaissance essentially stole knowledge from the Muslim's. The western world may look down upon the Muslim world, but we are the main architect behind there growth. Those books from Alexandria were very important. Since Hypatia was a woman in Egypt and the director of the Alexandria library it was frowned upon by the Christian clergy who decided to burn the building. A million books were housed in this library of which it contained the knowledge from the Ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Persians and even Indian's. The Romans were good at fighting wars, but when it came to scientific discoveries places like Alexandria were on a whole new level. It was this knowledge that gave Muslim's the foundation to do great things in the coming centuries to push the boundaries of science, mathematics, engineering and farming techniques. But the Muslim world had another ace up its sleeve. The Chinese followed and used "I Ching", but we had the Holy Quran and the Hadith to guide us. Those Muslim scholars were essentially great Imams, spiritual teachers, who mixed the old knowledge with divine knowledge to help guide them. This explains why the Muslim world is so weak, we have forgotten our roots, just like the Chinese did for 100 years from the opium war period. I wanted to mention this, because, like the old Chinese scholars, Muslims emphasize humbleness.

They can try to monopolize Ancient Greece but small civilizations will always have small mindsets. Europe will never have the same pedigree as Asia. They won't be able to consolidate their power in the long term and the signs are already there. Look at there financial system, it's on life support, each of these states is borrowing huge sums of money to continue functioning. Too much water in a cup will eventually spill over and cause destruction. The Chinese have to bide their time.

In the opposite, there is no EASTERN concept. There are Pakistanis, Indians, Chinese, Iranians, Arabian, Russians. Those NATIONALISM reinforce our divergence so that we can NOT group together and multiply our power. .

Although there is no concept of an eastern power bloc, I know in the future China will have a close-knit relationship with the Muslim world which is centred on economics, geo-strategic interests and exchange of ideas. You have to remember Muslim's aren't countries, they are a group of people which also happen to live in China. They along with the Pakistani's will be China's bridge to the Muslim world. The concept of nationalism doesn't exist in Islam, this was introduced to us by the West when they played divide and rule. I would rather have China as the next great superpower than the continued hegemony of the Americans.

 

[Brainsucker]

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Nope, Xinjiang doesn't belong to China, just like North America, it was recently conquered, this time by the Chinese and not the British and later Americans.

Uyghurs are native to the region while the Han Chinese aren't. Simple as that.

To be honest, this is no longer about a Muslim Pakistani Friend to ask China to respect their Muslim Citizens. But more of how an enemy to attack China Political and Territorial integrity. So basically Itachi see China as his enemy, not an ally. So how should Chinese Posters to react against this hostility? As he is considered as respected Pakistan Patriot and Muslim Defender by Pakistani posters here.