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[Dubious]

To be honest, this is no longer about a Muslim Friend ask China to respect their Muslim Citizens. But more of how an enemy to attack China political integrity. So basically Itachi see China as his enemy. Not an ally. It is pointless to answer his question with friendly manner anymore. As he see China as enemy, not friend.

Yea well...it is not about the other person...It is about you!

How you answer will reflect you alone! How he answers will reflect him...Now, if you dont wish to answer, you dont need to! It is a discussion not everyone will answer.

As for him, lets move along he has been thread banned ...what remains is how you will answer to reflect you (this YOU is for everyone not just you)

 

[Brainsucker]

Yea well...it is not about the other person...It is about you!

How you answer will reflect you alone! How he answers will reflect him...Now, if you dont wish to answer, you dont need to! It is a discussion not everyone will answer.

As for him, lets move along he has been thread banned ...what remains is how you will answer to reflect you (this YOU is for everyone not just you)

Yes, that right. My answer, and his answer will reflect our own. But I think we should point this matter openly. Because he is a Pakistani poster. and according to Pan Pakistan, he's a respected one. But, He has already gone too far on this. His attack on China Political and Territorial Integrity could create a big miss understanding between two Allies in this forum. Because his answer is an attack to China Core Political Interest. Any China Posters. Whatever they're trolls or moderates will see him as enemy. And they can become out of control. Make a point that attack Pakistan Core political and religion interest, that cause other Pakistani Posters get triggered and become out of control too.

At the end, what I posted some time ago in this thread is right. That both countries have their own core of interest. Whatever it's right or wrong, it is the most important thing for them. The problem is, the core interest of both countries are fundamentally different. And if both are not careful, can cause hatred, not trust.

So the point is, what is the purpose of this forum for both sides? A bridge of friendship, or an arena where everyone can brawl whatever they like. I see this as a bridge of friendship. That's why I dislike both Pakistani and Chinese posters who gone too far on attacking the other parties, and cause a rift to the "All Weather Friendships" that both supposedly to feel.

I like to call some of Chinese Posters as Drunken Masters, Red Guard, because they tend to go too far in how they post in this forum.

 

[Dubious]

His attack on China Political and Territorial Integrity could create a big miss understanding between two Allies in this forum

IF one person's personal opinion will create a misunderstanding...then I think our allies need to check their own members too...

Because his answer is an attack to China Core Political Interest. Any China Posters. Whatever they're trolls or moderates will see him as enemy. And they can become out of control. Make a point that attack Pakistan Core political and religion interest, that cause other Pakistani Posters get triggered and become out of control too.

We have Chinese people (more than one) bashing Islam, Muslims, Pakistan and Pakistanis on this very forum...yet we still have Pakistani members who have not swayed...But if the whole Chinese population on this forum will sway due to 1 member...then the Chinese members need to introspect their own behaviours too!

At the end, what I posted some time ago in this thread is right. That both countries have their own core of interest. Whatever it's right or wrong, it is the most important think for them. The problem is, the core interest of both countries are fundamentally different. And if both are not careful, can cause hatred to each others.

Actually you are wrong there...The core interest are fundamentally similar- For the economy and countries to grow!

The difference lies in our culture, religion and traditions! We allow questions and criticism of our people, govt, plans, actions, members, ideas ...but if the tables are turned, Chinese members see it as "an attack" ...With such an attitude, no discussion is possible!

So the point is, what is the purpose of this forum for both sides? A bridge of friendship, or an arena where everyone can brawl whatever they like. I see this a a bridge of friendship. That's why I dislike both Pakistani and Chinese posters who gone too far on attacking the other parties, and cause a rift to the "All Weather Friendships" that both have.

Again, questioning is not attacking! How will the other learn if they are forbidden from questioning?

Bridges are not formed on spoon feeding information but on the ability to accept and appreciate! And that can only be done if BOTH sides are ready to talk, DISCUSS (which can have disagreements) and UNDERSTAND!

 

[Brainsucker]

Chairman Mao was a great personality who did much great for China and its people, and he is rightly admired by them.

We could learn much from China’s rise and emulate their development and industrialization.

Don't miss understand me. Mao Zedong was a great man, a great writer, and a great politician. He was also a great Strategist. But it doesn't mean that you must stick to his teaching in propaganda front, and forget about the basic rule of Psychology. Because at the end, propaganda is about how to manipulate human mind. And you need Psychology as a science to make it work.

IF one person's personal opinion will create a misunderstanding...then I think our allies need to check their own members too...

We have Chinese people (more than one) bashing Islam, Muslims, Pakistan and Pakistanis on this very forum...yet we still have Pakistani members who have not swayed...But if the whole Chinese population on this forum will sway due to 1 member...then the Chinese members need to introspect their own behaviours too!

Actually you are wrong there...The core interest are fundamentally similar- For the economy and countries to grow!

The difference lies in our culture, religion and traditions! We allow questions and criticism of our people, govt, plans, actions, members, ideas ...but if the tables are turned, Chinese members see it as "an attack" ...With such an attitude, no discussion is possible!

Again, questioning is not attacking! How will the other learn if they are forbidden from questioning?

Bridges are not formed on spoon feeding information but on the ability to accept and appreciate! And that can only be done if BOTH sides are ready to talk, DISCUSS (which can have disagreements) and UNDERSTAND!

So what if somebody in your country openly declare that he or she's a communist, and no longer a Muslim? Is he or she allowed to do it? That's what I called as Core Interest. Maybe I said it wrong, It should be called as Core Belief or Core Value. There is nothing wrong with how Pakistan handles people like that; because of their Core Value. But China have a very different core belief and core value. That is actually fundamentally different, and... not quite compatible with Pakistan's one.

 

[Rasengan]

Pakistan’s English media has been bought by US, India, and Israelis.

Very few people in Pakistan take English media seriously, except the traitor pseudo-liberal self-loathing Pakistanis who make a business of attacking our government and military.

No ally and friend of Pakistan is spared from these goons, let alone our strongest and most loyal friend, China.

Please disregard Geo, Express Tribune, Dawn, Jang, The News PK, and our terrible media pundits who speak nothing but nonsense in their talk shows.

To give you an example, look how many of our media personalities lobbied for recognition of Israel and even making shows daily about it, all while they were massacring our brothers and sisters in Gaza. Shame on them.

IK had to come out strongly and say recognition of Israel is unacceptable and not even being considered.



Chairman Mao was a great personality who did much great for China and its people, and he is rightly admired by them.

We could learn much from China’s rise and emulate their development and industrialization.

I agree with your post. Some of these media outlets peddle BS. Pakistan must purge these people from society otherwise they will spread like cancer and pollute the mind of the next generation. Those who criticize Mao have no understanding of China. There's a famous saying in China, "Mao was a great revolutionary, but Deng Xiaoping put food on the table." He did many mistakes and attacked the wrong people, and this is accepted in China, but they don't talk about it in front of foreigners. I am a great fan of Peng Duhai, Deng Xiaoping and Lui Shaoqi. Chairman Mao started off great but his policies ultimately made him a failure for trusting Stalin as the benchmark for China's progress.

 

[Dubious]

So what if somebody in your country openly declare that he or she's a communist, and no longer a Muslim? Is he or she allowed to do it?

lolz so far they havent had the balls to declare but they show it by writing anti Pakistani rants on forums (even this one) or even publish articles in newspapers! But so far none have been killed for it! Hated maybe...but isnt that to be expected?

That's what I called as Core Interest. Maybe I said it wrong, It should be called as Core Belief or Core Value. There is nothing wrong with how Pakistan handles people like that; because of their Core Value. But China have a very different core belief and core value. That is actually fundamentally different, and... not quite compatible with Pakistan's one.

This is what I was discussing....Instead of explaining it, when questioned Chinese members DO ATTACK! ALL they say / state is that it is different but refuse to point the differences out or even explain further if asked further, they attack...

 

[Brainsucker]

lolz so far they havent had the balls to declare but they show it by writing anti Pakistani rants on forums (even this one) or even publish articles in newspapers! But so far none have been killed for it! Hated maybe...but isnt that to be expected?

Then, the news about the death sentence that I read from newspaper some time ago was fake.

This is what I was discussing....Instead of explaining it, when questioned Chinese members DO ATTACK! ALL they say / state is that it is different but refuse to point the differences out or even explain further if asked further, they attack...

Yes, you know yourself, sometime I give them lecture. And sometime call them drunken master. Because I think, this is one of Chinese weakness, but also a part of their culture. They love to drink alcohol. They love to drink alcohol when with their friends and drunk. And if they open the forum when drunk, they will think irrationally.

I know that to be drunk is bad for Muslim. But it is a part of their culture. This is one difference between two culture.

I had to remind a Chinese Poster some year ago, when he troll in Bangladesh Sub-forum here; just after China took side with Myanmar about Rohingya problem. I said to him that Bangladesh posters are friend, because they side with China when his country and problem with Myanmar. then he confess that he was drunk and can't think rationally. Then he left.

At the end I agree with you. I think @beijingwalker, Dragon, @TaiShang and another Sober Chinese should remind their friends to be polite and sober when posting in here. I'm sure that they will cooperate, as I see them quite moderate and rational in their posts. So they should be rational too, when thinking about to protect the relation between China and Pakistan.

And why I mentioned @beijingwalker? I don't know, He claimed to have a rank as Army in his profile. So maybe he's a part of PLA. If the rank in his information is not a means of this forum rank.

 

[Dubious]

Then, the news about the death sentence that I read from newspaper some time ago was fake.

What news , what death sentence? And when did I say about anything being fake?

If you are talking about Asia bibi...Well, you need to know about some sly moves...She is in Canada without needing to go through the lengthy visa process which many find impossible!

The INTERESTING thing is...there are soo many who have been doing something or another ...when you live in a country with XYZ laws and dont abide them then wonder why the law is being executed...it is kind of strange...

2ndly, more than half of these cases on blasphemy are misused for ulterior motives, one such case in the past was due to a land dispute...and another was due to marriage situation....another case against an Imam that he did an act of blasphemy was due to clergy rivalry!

Lastly, it is interesting to note, that not a single person has been hung in Pakistan due to blasphemy...arrested = sure, taken to trial = sure...

I dont agree to the laws coz it has been only misused ...and even police now a days know that it is being misused and usually try to dig for real cause!

Yes, you know yourself, sometime I give them lecture. And sometime call them drunken master. Because I think, this is one of Chinese weakness, but also a part of their culture. They love to drink alcohol. They love to drink alcohol when with their friends and drunk. And if they open the forum when drunk, they will think irrationally.

Then they deserve a ban...Coz it is their actions, their irresponsibility and their hands that type....When drunk why come online? To showcase your stupidity? Well it will be rewarded with a ban and the other members should not come to their rescue which sadly they do!

Drunk people dont imagine things, it just means their control is low and they are spitting out what they have wanted to...without restrains! So, that doesnt deserve any but a straight ban! And so far not a single has the audacity to apologize or ever explain that they were wrong or not in their right mindset!

 

[Brainsucker]

What news , what death sentence? And when did I say about anything being fake?

If you are talking about Asia bibi...Well, you need to know about some sly moves...She is in Canada without needing to go through the lengthy visa process which many find impossible!

The INTERESTING thing is...there are soo many who have been doing something or another ...when you live in a country with XYZ laws and dont abide them then wonder why the law is being executed...it is kind of strange...

2ndly, more than half of these cases on blasphemy are misused for ulterior motives, one such case in the past was due to a land dispute...and another was due to marriage situation....another case against an Imam that he did an act of blasphemy was due to clergy rivalry!

Lastly, it is interesting to note, that not a single person has been hung in Pakistan due to blasphemy...arrested = sure, taken to trial = sure...

I dont agree to the laws coz it has been only misused ...and even police now a days know that it is being misused and usually try to dig for real cause!

Thank you for the clarification. Yes, it's Asia bibi. And the point is, that I don't have any problem with how Pakistan handles their own law and domestic problem.

 

[Dubious]

I had to remind a Chinese Poster some year ago, when he troll in Bangladesh Sub-forum here; just after China took side with Myanmar about Rohingya problem. I said to him that Bangladesh posters are friend, because they side with China when his country and problem with Myanmar. then he confess that he was drunk and can't think rationally. Then he left.

Why would anyone come online when drunk? That is really stupid! You have no control over their language nor their posts and then they want to complain that we are being unfair to ban them for causing havoc?

At the end I agree with you. I think @beijingwalker, Dragon, @TaiShang and another Sober Chinese should remind their friends to be polite and sober when posting in here. I'm sure that they will cooperate, as I see them quite moderate and rational in their posts. So they should be rational too, when thinking about to protect the relation between China and Pakistan.

If that is possible I would appreciate it coz it will help us not ban such members! But everyone is responsible for their posts/ words!

And why I mentioned @beijingwalker? I don't know, He claimed to have a rank as Army in his profile. So maybe he's a part of PLA. If the rank in his information is not a means of this forum rank.

LOLZ

I am not sure..Best you ask him

 

[Brainsucker]

Why would anyone come online when drunk? That is really stupid! You have no control over their language nor their posts and then they want to complain that we are being unfair to ban them for causing havoc?

That's I agree with you. It is why sometime I call some Chinese Members as Drunken Master.

Hi, @beijingwalker, are you with PLA?

 

[Rasengan]

lol the Muslims population in China isn't "20% of their population"....they have so far only detained 1 million Uyghurs....

I never said China's Muslim population is 20% Let me break it down for you. The figure proposed by western sources is between 1-3 million people housed in concentration camps. This represents 20% of the Uighur population in Xinjiang. Do you now understand such a simple concept?

I don't know about this leader you're talking about but I'll search on it. As for the East Turkestan movement then it's a legitimate movement, just like the Kashmiri and the Palestinian movements. If you deny the right of Uyghurs you're denying the right of other Muslims that want independence too..

You are quoting some organization and you don't even know who operates it and what are their goals. The East Turkestan movement can never be compared to the situation of Kashmir or Palestine. The people of Kashmir wanted to join Pakistan after the British left, and the land itself was controlled by Muslims for more than a thousand years. Xinjiang was conquered by the Qing dynasty in the 1750s, and the map you showed is in reference to the Qing dynasties decline after the opium war period. But the province of Xinjiang in one shape or form belonged to Chinese dynasties before the Qing came to power.

Pakistan is number one. If you want to play armchair general then play Call of Duty. I have no love for people who drink excessively, claim to be Muslim's but come to our country and murder innocent people. What does ETIM have in common with BLA? Both are racists groups who care about their own ethnicity rather than becoming a good Muslim.

 

[Brainsucker]

What news , what death sentence? And when did I say about anything being fake?

If you are talking about Asia bibi...Well, you need to know about some sly moves...She is in Canada without needing to go through the lengthy visa process which many find impossible!

The INTERESTING thing is...there are soo many who have been doing something or another ...when you live in a country with XYZ laws and dont abide them then wonder why the law is being executed...it is kind of strange...

2ndly, more than half of these cases on blasphemy are misused for ulterior motives, one such case in the past was due to a land dispute...and another was due to marriage situation....another case against an Imam that he did an act of blasphemy was due to clergy rivalry!

Lastly, it is interesting to note, that not a single person has been hung in Pakistan due to blasphemy...arrested = sure, taken to trial = sure...

I dont agree to the laws coz it has been only misused ...and even police now a days know that it is being misused and usually try to dig for real cause!

Well, I have to thank you about this clarification. Because the news that I read some time ago was only about she changed her religion, and she got a death sentence. For someone who live in Indonesia, who respect more than one religion, my first reaction was "What the hell?" In disbelieve. But then I think Pakistan has their own value and law. So I should respect them; and should not question them no matter what.

And now, thank to you, I have a good clarification in this. So, at the end, there is something else behind the story.

 

[Rasengan]

I read the whole article, no where in the article does it mention the responses of the 12 diplomats and what they think about their visit. Plus, they only visited one such place, there are hundreds detention camps all over Xinjiang.

All the article does if reinforce that China is treating the Uyghurs harshly and the whole world, expect for the braindead and the back bending servants, have taken notice.

Don't twist the subject to suit your narrative I said 10 countries have sent their diplomats to one of these camps and you demanded proof. You never asked for there response. Sorry, I'm not going to spoon feed you the information. Go to google and find the information yourself. But @Brainsucker himself has posted many articles on this forum showing how the Indonesians are satisfied with the conditions of the camps. No one gives a hoot about the Uighur terrorists, except for you.

 

[Brainsucker]

Don't twist the subject to suit your narrative I said 10 countries have sent their diplomats to one of these camps and you demanded proof. You never asked for there response. Sorry, I'm not going to spoon feed you the information. Go to google and find the information yourself. But @Brainsucker himself has posted many articles on this forum showing how the Indonesians are satisfied with the conditions of the camps. No one gives a hoot about the Uighur terrorists, except for you.

He's banned from this thread bro. So please calm down