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[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Different individuals have differing opinions on countries fo example I despis Saudi Arabia(leadership some of its people)and UAE tho lot of my countrymen lie them opinions vary at end of the its a fourm

It doesn’t matter about your opinion about any other country, as long as you are a patriotic Pakistan, this is all that matters.

 

[vi-va]

Right, finally a Chinese poster that knows what he's talking about and makes sense...

There is no such thing as "Islamism" or "Islamic Terrorism"....terrorism is terrorism...it has no religion....anyone saying otherwise is trying to paint a group.

Plus, the Uyghurs have the right to self-defense, their ancestral region is under scrutiny from PRC and thousands are in detention camps just because they follow a particular religion.

PRC have also been importing Han Chinese into Xinjiang for decades, trying to dilute the population and representation of the Uyghurs.

You live in US, I live in US. I knew our Han Chinese history in Xinjiang back to 200 BC.

I respect Pakistan, the history, the culture. I respect Pakistanis from bottom of my heart. Please show your respect.

If you just read some western propaganda, I suggest you read Chinese history first then we can talk rationally.

The western propaganda is poison. India is flattering US hard right now, and both India and US want to separate Pakistan and China alliance. After that they can isolate Pakistan and will try to install a regime they like.

I disgust the hypocrisy in western propaganda. US and India don't care Muslim's lives at all. You knew that.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

You live in US, I live in US. I knew our Han Chinese history in Xinjiang back to 200 BC.

I respect Pakistan, the history, the culture. I respect Pakistanis from bottom of my heart. Please show your respect.

If you just read some western propaganda, I suggest you read Chinese history first then we can talk rationally.

The western propaganda is poison. India is flattering US hard right now, and both India and US want to separate Pakistan and China alliance. After that they can isolate Pakistan and will try to install a regime they like.

I disgust the hypocrisy in western propaganda. US and India don't care Muslim's lives at all. You knew that.

We need more Chinese members like you here who can talk rationally and calmly about Pakistan, Islam, and Muslims.

Please keep it up friend.



Vast majority of the Islamic world is thoroughly supportive of China’s as we are sick of the unipolar world.

Islamic-China alliance will be the future of the world, we can build our societies in peace and security.

 

[vi-va]

We need more Chinese members like you here who can talk rationally and calmly about Pakistan, Islam, and Muslims.

Please keep it up friend.



Vast majority of the Islamic world is thoroughly supportive of China’s as we are sick of the unipolar world.

Islamic-China alliance will be the future of the world, we can build our societies in peace and security.

Agree!

 

[Rasengan]

I guess locking up Jews was also a logistical nightmare...

Please make an appointment with a history teacher. Locking up Jews was a logistical nightmare hence why they came up with the extermination plan in 1942. Honestly, the schools in America must be crap. The same analogy can be used in this case. China can't house 20% of the population inside camps unless they are prepared to kill them on a mass scale as the Nazi's did to the Jews. This isn't rocket science its common sense. Furthermore, such widespread massacres if true would have led to an uprising in Xinjiang like the Jews did in the Warsaw Ghetto uprising in 1943. Even the Israeli's who have oppressed the Palestinians couldn't have stopped an uprising like the Intifada.

It has been done and is being done...thousands of Uyghurs have come out and talked about it. They have even setup their own Congress outside of China to spread the news about their persecution.

Here, there are multiple articles on their site: https://www.uyghurcongress.org/en/

And this:

PROMINENT UYGHUR WRITER DIES AFTER BEING DEPRIVED TREATMENT IN XINJIANG INTERNMENT CAMP

https://www.uyghurcongress.org/en/p...prived-treatment-in-xinjiang-internment-camp/

You want me to respect the opinion of an organization whose leader Rabiya Kadeer was funding and supporting the East Turkistan movement? This disgusting woman was a politician in China and was one of the wealthiest individuals in the entire country, yet she took advantage of that and was backstabbing China. Then to piss off the Chinese she went to Japan and visited the Yasukuni Shrine. Only a disgusting person would pay homage to that shrine and disregard its history. The website doesn't work. There's a big difference between me and you. I only care about Pakistan's interests while you want to police the world by getting Pakistan to tangle with its next-door neighbour who for your kind information is our best ally. I have written this a dozen times, but I will do it again especially for you. Anyone who wants independence needs to be dealt with......simple no questions asked....just like those BLA cockroaches.

But those who don't then China must do a better job to integrate the communities. This is the Govt's responsibility and they have done a poor job, I have never denied this, but under no circumstance am I going to accuse China of state oppression based upon religion....it doesn't exist.

If you can backup this claim with a link, that would be appreciated.

https://time.com/5496435/china-12-diplomats-tour-xinjiang/

Right....I guess the PRC didn't move millions of Han Chinese to Xinjiang over the last decade so that they could dilute the Uyghur pop. right?

It must be for nicer reasons?

Just like the British moving their people to the Americas to outsettle the Native Americans.

Oh and did you also know that most Uyghur in Xinjiang and the rest of China occupy low/mid paying jobs while the Han occupy mid/high paying ones? Even in their own region!

Did you see that too in your visit or not? Maybe the Han Chinese tourist guide only showed you the "good parts" of the region/city.

The Chinese have been migrating to Xinjiang in large numbers since 1954 when Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps was set up in the region. Xinjiang belongs to China, so every citizen has a right to move into the region. Can someone from Washington migrate to New York? If so, then why the double standards for China. When Deng Xiaoping made those economic zones in the coastal regions, millions of Chinese migrated to those regions from all over the country. You don't hear the locals complaining. This migration is so large that in the holiday season of Chinese New Year 600 million people travel back to their homes.

The British stole land from the Native American's while Xinjiang belongs to China since the Qing dynasty. That's like saying no Punjabi should have the right in the future to move to Balochistan, in particular, Gwadar to look for a job because he's not from the region. I'm not denying there aren't any social problems in Xinjiang. Did you notice the difference between me and you? I will call on the Chinese Govt when they do wrong, but I won't accuse them with a false charge. The Govt needs to do more, but the Uighur's aren't employed in high paying jobs because of the exemptions they get in Universities. Han employers don't regard them as skilled workers. This is wrong and it needs to change. Why do you think my tour guide was Han? You do know there are 56 ethnic groups in China

 

[Nilgiri]

Fake Pakistanis. What Pakistan do doesn't concern you. You have no right to speak for Pakistan. Go speak for your Canada.

Who are you to declare who is real or fake Pakistani? That is for Pakistanis to decide.

 

[vi-va]

Please make an appointment with a history teacher. Locking up Jews was a logistical nightmare hence why they came up with the extermination plan in 1942. Honestly, the schools in America must be crap. The same analogy can be used in this case. China can't house 20% of the population inside camps unless they are prepared to kill them on a mass scale as the Nazi's did to the Jews. This isn't rocket science its common sense. Furthermore, such widespread massacres if true would have led to an uprising in Xinjiang like the Jews did in the Warsaw Ghetto uprising in 1943. Even the Israeli's who have oppressed the Palestinians couldn't have stopped an uprising like the Intifada.




You want me to respect the opinion of an organization whose leader Rabiya Kadeer was funding and supporting the East Turkistan movement? This disgusting woman was a politician in China and was one of the wealthiest individuals in the entire country, yet she took advantage of that and was backstabbing China. Then to piss off the Chinese she went to Japan and visited the Yasukuni Shrine. Only a disgusting person would pay homage to that shrine and disregard its history. The website doesn't work. There's a big difference between me and you. I only care about Pakistan's interests while you want to police the world by getting Pakistan to tangle with its next-door neighbour who for your kind information is our best ally. I have written this a dozen times, but I will do it again especially for you. Anyone who wants independence needs to be dealt with......simple no questions asked....just like those BLA cockroaches.

But those who don't then China must do a better job to integrate the communities. This is the Govt's responsibility and they have done a poor job, I have never denied this, but under no circumstance am I going to accuse China of state oppression based upon religion....it doesn't exist.





https://time.com/5496435/china-12-diplomats-tour-xinjiang/




The Chinese have been migrating to Xinjiang in large numbers since 1954 when Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps was set up in the region. Xinjiang belongs to China, so every citizen has a right to move into the region. Can someone from Washington migrate to New York? If so, then why the double standards for China. When Deng Xiaoping made those economic zones in the coastal regions, millions of Chinese migrated to those regions from all over the country. You don't hear the locals complaining. This migration is so large that in the holiday season of Chinese New Year 600 million people travel back to their homes.

The British stole land from the Native American's while Xinjiang belongs to China since the Qing dynasty. That's like saying no Punjabi should have the right in the future to move to Balochistan, in particular, Gwadar to look for a job because he's not from the region. I'm not denying there aren't any social problems in Xinjiang. Did you notice the difference between me and you? I will call on the Chinese Govt when they do wrong, but I won't accuse them with a false charge. The Govt needs to do more, but the Uighur's aren't employed in high paying jobs because of the exemptions they get in Universities. Han employers don't regard them as skilled workers. This is wrong and it needs to change. Why do you think my tour guide was Han? You do know there are 56 ethnic groups in China

You are patriotic, rational and honest man. I like how you explain the complex situation to Pakistanis who don't familiar with China Muslim. China gov should hire you as a friendship bridge between Pakistanis and Chinese.

You are real patriotic and do the right thing to defend Pakistan's national interest. I can see that you knew quite a lot about China, history, social and politics.

You are honest man. You do see our flaws and point it out. China is developing country, we have a lot of critical problems just like 100+ developing ones.

China is trying hard to resolve our problems, but the western propaganda won't stop discrediting China. Never!

Thank you, my Pakistani friends for your understanding. Appreciate!

 

[Arsalan 345]

Guess you didn't even watch the whole video, what can I expect from a troll?



I asked the question first, have you?



Because we don't follow paid actors or back bending servants.



Right, finally a Chinese poster that knows what he's talking about and makes sense...

There is no such thing as "Islamism" or "Islamic Terrorism"....terrorism is terrorism...it has no religion....anyone saying otherwise is trying to paint a group.

Plus, the Uyghurs have the right to self-defense, their ancestral region is under scrutiny from PRC and thousands are in detention camps just because they follow a particular religion.

PRC have also been importing Han Chinese into Xinjiang for decades, trying to dilute the population and representation of the Uyghurs.



lol keep bending the knee...

While you brothers and sisters are being forced to eat pork, shave their beards, not wear hijab, their mosques get demolished and they're put in detention camps just because they follow Islam much better than you or me.

It's people like you who don't act at the proper time that leads to the persecution of Muslims, may those be Palestinians, Kashmiris, Rohingya or Uyghurs.



Post any posts of mine that have any insult against anyone....I'm not a troll. I'm just demolishing the half-truths and lies spread on PDF.



I guess locking up Jews was also a logistical nightmare...

It has been done and is being done...thousands of Uyghurs have come out and talked about it. They have even setup their own Congress outside of China to spread the news about their persecution.

Here, there are multiple articles on their site: https://www.uyghurcongress.org/en/

And this:

PROMINENT UYGHUR WRITER DIES AFTER BEING DEPRIVED TREATMENT IN XINJIANG INTERNMENT CAMP

https://www.uyghurcongress.org/en/p...prived-treatment-in-xinjiang-internment-camp/



If you can backup this claim with a link, that would be appreciated.



Right....I guess the PRC didn't move millions of Han Chinese to Xinjiang over the last decade so that they could dilute the Uyghur pop. right?

It must be for nicer reasons?

Just like the British moving their people to the Americas to outsettle the Native Americans.

Oh and did you also know that most Uyghur in Xinjiang and the rest of China occupy low/mid paying jobs while the Han occupy mid/high paying ones? Even in their own region!

Did you see that too in your visit or not? Maybe the Han Chinese tourist guide only showed you the "good parts" of the region/city.

You know nothing.you live in america.you have no idea.china Pakistan relations are strong.you know nothing about religion.

 

[Brainsucker]

Because we don't follow paid actors or back bending servants.

Are you saying that Indonesian prestigious Islamic Organization is a paid actor or back bending servants? @Dubious, @waz, what do you think about this? Is this a act of mocking Indonesian Islamic Organization? Is he saying that our Islamic Organization is fake? What do you think about this?

 

[Dubious]

Why the news from Jakarta Post, about Muhammadiyah (Indonesian Islamic Organization) officials fact finder in Xinjiang is vanish from this thread? Does the witness from Indonesian respected Islamic Organization is not worthed to be mentioned in this Xinjiang issue?

I give the benefit of the doubt to the mods in this matter. Because I trust them. Because, maybe it is unintentional act.

I dont know about this...I rarely handle issues outside Pakistan and I dont know enough about the issue to even comment on it!

Enlighten me...

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

You know nothing.you live in america.you have no idea.china Pakistan relations are strong.you know nothing about religion.

Actually he is both a patriotic Pakistani and orthodox religious Muslim.

We may disagree about this issue with China with him, but please don’t assume the worst about our compatriot.

 

[ARMalik]

Are we talking about culture? Look, you're getting yourself confused. I hope you know the difference between culture and religion.
I first responded to you about religion and you're talking about culture. Wow.. Just wow...


Then why bother to even reply? I thought you didn't care.

Couple of things:

1- China is a communist country and its citizens until very recently did not even know what Religions were. Hence you and other Chinese do not qualify to lecture others on religion cause you guys don't even know the ABC of religions ! If you knew you would have know that Muslim Culture is the same as its Religion since the religion dictates the 'Culture for a Muslim'!! But then I don't blame clueless people like you since you are simply ignorant!!

2- Then there is another really important aspect that Chinese should never open their mouths on - and it is called Democracy and free speech. You guys live in a One Party Communist state. You need to look really hard at yourselves in mirror before you try preaching others on Democracy.

 

[Rasengan]

You are patriotic, rational and honest man. I like how you explain the complex situation to Pakistanis who don't familiar with China Muslim. China gov should hire you as a friendship bridge between Pakistanis and Chinese.

You are real patriotic and do the right thing to defend Pakistan's national interest. I can see that you knew quite a lot about China, history, social and politics.

You are honest man. You do see our flaws and point it out. China is developing country, we have a lot of critical problems just like 100+ developing ones.

China is trying hard to resolve our problems, but the western propaganda won't stop discrediting China. Never!

Thank you, my Pakistani friends for your understanding. Appreciate!

Thank you, for the compliment. I was fortunate enough to meet many great Chinese friends at my University who taught me many things about China and its culture. There are always two sides to a story, and I wanted to understand the situation from China's perspective rather than the west. I'm not interested in the accounts of journalists from the west who sit in an office somewhere in Washington and make some dumb accusation. China's relationship with Pakistan which is a Muslim country was once seen before when the Tang dynasty fostered a close relationship with Abbasid Caliphate.

No country is perfect, and China is a huge nation with a large population. Naturally, any Govt in office would face some problems. But its how you deal with those issues is the most important thing. Deng Xiaoping knew this more than anyone else when he said: "It does not matter if a cat is black or white as long as it catches mice." These words have deep meaning, they show he was a great man who challenged those who led China to a dark path (gang of four), someone who had the vision for a bright future for his people. Did this mean everything went smoothly? No. But most people on this forum have no understanding of how the Chinese behave. The Chinese are self-critical of themselves but they won't do that in front of a foreigner and degrade their Govt or country. This is why I hate someone like Rabiya Kadeer. She was a Chinese politician, made money under that system but secretly she was trying to lead an independence movement. Honour means nothing in today's world, but historically we Muslim's value this principle. Its why people like Guang Yu who refused Cao Cao's offer of becoming a general because he stood by his brother Lui Bei is remembered and he paid it with his life.

What the Chinese Govt need's to do is bring in more development in Xinjiang, foster better ties between the Han and Uighur community. China must improve on its PR campaign. Put the Uighur issue to the side. I don't like to say this, but Beijing has done a poor job in discrediting the Tibet problem, Falun Gong and these protestors in Hong Kong. Why has this issue taken root in the western world? Its because in each University campus, people are discussing these topics and no Chinese student is participating to refute them. This was the biggest issue I had with my own friends. I use to say to them that you mustn't sit around and let them attack China. Instead, you must educate the masses on this issue. Obviously, there is a language barrier and you need confidence.

Many Chinese members have complained that Pakistani newspapers have attacked China, but what they don't take into consideration is those newspapers have attacked the Pakistani military. Why have they done this? Because the American's have invested $200 million across media houses to speak their narrative. China must do the same. It must employ the right people in media communications.

 

[beijingwalker]

Then there is another really important aspect that Chinese should never open their mouths on - and it is called Democracy and free speech. You guys live in a One Party Communist state. You need to look really hard at yourselves in mirror before you try preaching others on Democracy.

We couldn't care less about you internal affairs and your political system, your country you rule, and we' ll be very appreciated if you reciprocate.

 

[OIO]

Thank you, for the compliment. I was fortunate enough to meet many great Chinese friends at my University who taught me many things about China and its culture. There are always two sides to a story, and I wanted to understand the situation from China's perspective rather than the west. I'm not interested in the accounts of journalists from the west who sit in an office somewhere in Washington and make some dumb accusation. China's relationship with Pakistan which is a Muslim country was once seen before when the Tang dynasty fostered a close relationship with Abbasid Caliphate.

No country is perfect, and China is a huge nation with a large population. Naturally, any Govt in office would face some problems. But its how you deal with those issues is the most important thing. Deng Xiaoping knew this more than anyone else when he said: "It does not matter if a cat is black or white as long as it catches mice." These words have deep meaning, they show he was a great man who challenged those who led China to a dark path (gang of four), someone who had the vision for a bright future for his people. Did this mean everything went smoothly? No. But most people on this forum have no understanding of how the Chinese behave. The Chinese are self-critical of themselves but they won't do that in front of a foreigner and degrade their Govt or country. This is why I hate someone like Rabiya Kadeer. She was a Chinese politician, made money under that system but secretly she was trying to lead an independence movement. Honour means nothing in today's world, but historically we Muslim's value this principle. Its why people like Guang Yu who refused Cao Cao's offer of becoming a general because he stood by his brother Lui Bei is remembered and he paid it with his life.

What the Chinese Govt need's to do is bring in more development in Xinjiang, foster better ties between the Han and Uighur community. China must improve on its PR campaign. Put the Uighur issue to the side. I don't like to say this, but Beijing has done a poor job in discrediting the Tibet problem, Falun Gong and these protestors in Hong Kong. Why has this issue taken root in the western world? Its because in each University campus, people are discussing these topics and no Chinese student is participating to refute them. This was the biggest issue I had with my own friends. I use to say to them that you mustn't sit around and let them attack China. Instead, you must educate the masses on this issue. Obviously, there is a language barrier and you need confidence.

Many Chinese members have complained that Pakistani newspapers have attacked China, but what they don't take into consideration is those newspapers have attacked the Pakistani military. Why have they done this? Because the American's have invested $200 million across media houses to speak their narrative. China must do the same. It must employ the right people in media communications.

Most Chinese are blocked by Great Firewall, and the goverment officials are not prepared for the battle of propaganda.