ALL Xinjiang related issues e.g. uyghur people, development, videos etc, In here please.

[Numerous]

That how rumor mongerers work, first they made a rumor, after being debunked, they talk about something esle, a lie is a lie. same as 3 millions are in camps.

Maybe if you didn't jail people for no reason and for so long then maybe their relatives wouldn't think they're dead...

 

[beijingwalker]

Maybe if you didn't jail people for no reason and for so long then maybe their relatives wouldn't think they're dead...

No one jails people for no reason, jailing people costs a lot of money at least. The result for today's rich, peaceful and prosperous Xinjiang shows how successful China's policy is during the last decade.

Now try to explain those happy Xinjiang high schoolers.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

well that's not the case with city planning and real estate business here in China.. I know in some European countries things are like what you said though

City planning rotated and molds to cultural sensitivities. If they want a graveyard under their bed then they can have it.

No one jails people for no reason, jailing people costs a lot of money at least. The result for today's rich, peaceful and prosperous Xinjiang shows how successful China's policy is during the last decade.

Now try to explain those happy Xinjiang high schoolers.

Nice vids, does the government supply u with these?

 

[beijingwalker]

Nice vids, does the government supply u with these?

Do those kids look like they are staged to you? it's a high schooler's kind of childish video, surprised you think it's otherwise and everything not against China must be staged.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Do those kids look like they are staged to you? it's a high schooler's kind of childish video, surprised you think it's otherwise and everything not against China must be staged.

Communism produces many forced yet believable vids. Should ask where they're family members are.

 

[beijingwalker]

Communism produces many forced yet believable vids. Should ask where they're family members are.

Make a poll and see how many think a casual and unprofessional video like this is a staged one, you lost your common sense, man.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Make a poll and see how many think a casual and unprofessional video like this is a staged one, you lost your common sense, man.

I lost my common sense? Why dont you go down to Xinjiang and see if they are scared to practice their religion out in public. Go and record the azan being preformed and then I will eat my words.

 

[beijingwalker]

Why dont you go down to Xinjiang and see if they are scared to practice their religion out in public.

Did you? tell me why those kids are so happy.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

He was banned, several Chinese poster got banned recently defending Xinjiang, you and me could be the next.

If you can prevent yourself from referring to Muslims’ lands as caves, camels, and deserts, you will be fine.

We shouldn’t have to tolerate that racist stereotyping. Also, he makes China look bad.

Do you have any counter article or media to show a different side of the story about the graveyard?

Maybe graves were respectfully moved to another location to allow city expansion?

KSA has done it before, and Muslim countries are no strangers to this kind of issue.

Shrine and Grave/Darbar on Kasur road was moved in Lahore to expand the road and to allow some relief to traffic congestion. The people part of that Sufi group protested for a long time, but eventually accepted judgement of the city government.

Same thing happened when our beloved Kalma Chowk was removed for an overpass, the whole of Lahore was up in arms and everything calmed down a few weeks after.

 

[Yankee-stani]

If you can prevent yourself from referring to Muslims’ lands as caves, camels, and deserts, you will be fine.

We shouldn’t have to tolerate that racist stereotyping. Also, he makes China look bad.

Do you have any counter article or media to show a different side of the story about the graveyard?

Maybe graves were respectfully moved to another location to allow city expansion?

KSA has done it before, and Muslim countries are no strangers to this kind of issue.

Shrine and Grave/Darbar on Kasur road was moved in Lahore to expand the road and to allow some relief to traffic congestion. The people part of that Sufi group protested for a long time, but eventually accepted judgement of the city government.

Same thing happened when our beloved Kalma Chowk was removed for an overpass, the whole of Lahore was up in arms and everything calmed down a few weeks after.

This is probably the most sane response I seen here on this PDF thread to be fair I think a lot members on PDF be it the Pakistanis,Chinese,Turks,Iranians and Arabs etc have got bogged down by their sheer arogance leading to spats like this its making spend less time on PDF when a Turk opens a thread on Xinjiang vice versa a Chinese open a thread about Kurds in Turkey be sure you have Dumbass Pakistani take side with a Turk or Chinese all depends on the individual PDF problem in the past was mainly a Indo-Pakistani troll fights but lately other foreigners who have seen how mods manage those troll fights so they cause fights like these to occur it really dilutes the threads and makes it them yawn troll fights as for the whole graveyard dispute again I think its more politics not saying the Chinese are right here but like I said geo political agendas by rival powers tend to inflate stuff like this to harm relations between states thankfully sane folks are in the CPC,GHQ and in both their MFAs while PDF Kids fight over stupid stuff as @MastanKhan usually says

 

[Brainsucker]

To be honest, this is a pointless debate. Because both sides have different tradition and value. Both Muslim countries and China have fundamentally different belief, live style, doctrine, and even political correctness. And the sad thing is, both sides blames the other with their own fundamental value, that actually doesn't work to the other side. There is no common ground in here.

So the problem is, who respect who. The Muslims demand China respect their tradition and religion, while China demand them to respect Chinese internal affair. Nobody wrong, but everybody are also wrong in this respect. The main problem is because Pakistan is China's ally. Without this special status, nobody needs to talk. No Chinese will care about showing how good they treat Muslims in the country (because they're not actually care. As they're a communist country).

Now, because of this special status, as both China and Pakistan thinks that they're ally, and all weather friend, then there should be a common ground that everybody must respect. Pakistani posters, and muslims demands that China respect Islamic tradition, Uyghur Islamic tradition, and their freedom for religion. While China demands their ally to respect PRC internal affair.

Now, the question is, if Pakistani friends demand China to respect Islam and to protect their tradition, then can they actually respect Communism? An ideology that is actually Islam core enemy? People can argue that China is no longer a Communist Country. But that Communist ideology still has some of their trace in China's political system and also influence their Government decision. And Chinese Posters, like it or not, was born in a country that value Communism as their ideology. They may change, because of the influence from outside world, and their own old tradition, like Confucian. But it doesn't mean communism is dead.

You must remember, that in Cultural Revolution in China, they hated all religion, and burn all religion worship place. Whatever they're temple, Mosques, Church. So even if they're no longer the same as they were in that era, but that Communism still there. Of course, China wants to change. They're evolve, to leave their communism doctrine. But you can't expect them to suddenly become somebody else that is not the old them. It require process. and the Geo Political situation influence their decision. They may return to be a hardcore communist if they think they need it again.

And for Chinese people, you must learn, Pakistan is a traditional Muslim Country, who use Islam as their core value and tradition. So, to respect Pakistani, you have to respect their core value too, Islam.

So what kind of common ground that Pakistani and Chinese people need? Without this, no progress will happen. Does Communism make trust impossible to both Pakistani and Chinese? Or does Religion make Chinese doesn't like Pakistani? If both side agree that kind of trust is impossible, then there is no need to talk any further.

BUT, if everyone still think that trust can be required, and bridge can be build, then there should be common ground, and actually compromise. So what compromise that both sides can give?

 

[OIO]

that even makes less sense. who would want to live next to a graveryard? developers want to build houses that can be sold, business 101 for you silly.


I honestly dont know why they made you a mod here..

To be honest, this is a pointless debate. Because both sides have different tradition and value. Both Muslim countries and China have fundamentally different belief, live style, doctrine, and even political correctness. And the sad thing is, both sides blames the other with their own fundamental value, that actually doesn't work to the other side. There is no common ground in here.

So the problem is, who respect who. The Muslims demand China respect their tradition and religion, while China demand them to respect Chinese internal affair. Nobody wrong, but everybody are also wrong in this respect. The main problem is because Pakistan is China's ally. Without this special status, nobody needs to talk. No Chinese will care about showing how good they treat Muslims in the country (because they're not actually care. As they're a communist country).

Now, because of this special status, as both China and Pakistan thinks that they're ally, and all weather friend, then there should be a common ground that everybody must respect. Pakistani posters, and muslims demands that China respect Islamic tradition, Uyghur Islamic tradition, and their freedom for religion. While China demands their ally to respect PRC internal affair.

Now, the question is, if Pakistani friends demand China to respect Islam and to protect their tradition, then can they actually respect Communism? An ideology that is actually Islam core enemy? People can argue that China is no longer a Communist Country. But that Communist ideology still has some of their trace in China's political system and also influence their Government decision. And Chinese Posters, like it or not, was born in a country that value Communism as their ideology. They may change, because of the influence from outside world, and their own old tradition, like Confucian. But it doesn't mean communism is dead.

You must remember, that in Cultural Revolution in China, they hated all religion, and burn all religion worship place. Whatever they're temple, Mosques, Church. So even if they're no longer the same as they were in that era, but that Communism still there. Of course, China wants to change. They're evolve, to leave their communism doctrine. But you can't expect them to suddenly become somebody else that is not the old them. It require process. and the Geo Political situation influence their decision. They may return to be a hardcore communist if they think they need it again.

And for Chinese people, you must learn, Pakistan is a traditional Muslim Country, who use Islam as their core value and tradition. So, to respect Pakistani, you have to respect their core value too, Islam.

So what kind of common ground that Pakistani and Chinese people need? Without this, no progress will happen. Does Communism make trust impossible to both Pakistani and Chinese? Or does Religion make Chinese doesn't like Pakistani? If both side agree that kind of trust is impossible, then there is no need to talk any further.

BUT, if everyone still think that trust can be required, and bridge can be build, then there should be common ground, and actually compromise. So what compromise that both sides can give?

Pakistanis not friendly with China belong to three groups:
1. educated by Saudi arabi school, global Islam
2. educated by West, in the name of human rights
3. educated by Turkish school, just take the side of Turkey

So you can realize how important education is.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

If you can prevent yourself from referring to Muslims’ lands as caves, camels, and deserts, you will be fine.

We shouldn’t have to tolerate that racist stereotyping. Also, he makes China look bad.

Do you have any counter article or media to show a different side of the story about the graveyard?

Maybe graves were respectfully moved to another location to allow city expansion?

KSA has done it before, and Muslim countries are no strangers to this kind of issue.

Shrine and Grave/Darbar on Kasur road was moved in Lahore to expand the road and to allow some relief to traffic congestion. The people part of that Sufi group protested for a long time, but eventually accepted judgement of the city government.

Same thing happened when our beloved Kalma Chowk was removed for an overpass, the whole of Lahore was up in arms and everything calmed down a few weeks after.

The Chinese are like the frog in the well. They just gained some money and are.acting like the blonde bit$ch at the mall. Thinking she owns everything

Pakistanis not friendly with China belong to three groups:
1. educated by Saudi arabi school, global Islam
2. educated by West, in the name of human rights
3. educated by Turkish school, just take the side of Turkey

So you can realize how important education is.

4. Educated, regarding the Chinese ignorance, racism and Islamophobic activities.

Did you? tell me why those kids are so happy.

Soo happy so nice, flowers and rainbows.
That does not change the fact that your country is racist and islamophobic along with many of the Chinese posters here.

 

[Dubious]

I honestly dont know why they made you a mod here..

To deal with creatures like you

Couldnt answer my questions? Expected nothing less!....have a great day

 

[beijingwalker]

That does not change the fact that your country is racist and islamophobic along with many of the Chinese posters here.

What China is is not defined by you, who really do you think you are, haters are gonna hate, but your hate brings nothing to you cause you are nobody.