ALL Xinjiang related issues e.g. uyghur people, development, videos etc, In here please.

[Dubious]

Show me anything I said that suggests I m a racist, can you? a graveyard? what are you talking about?

Supporting the ruin of 1 nation that doesnt behave like you, has different culture, language and religion than you is being racist!

Our education is fine, and it's getting better and better, more and more foreign students now seek education in China, including many Pakistanis.

Equally as many Chinese are abroad...Foreign students mostly go to China because of funding!

Yes it includes Pakistanis, your point being? Just coz people are going to xyz doesnt negate the racist factor!

Many people go to Australia! Even Chinese! And Australia is counted as most racist! Many flock to USA and Americans are also counted as racist after Trump! So people coming in is not a measure of anything but funding...people go where the money is!

I don't know about others, I m not.

Do you get triggered abt Islam, Muslims and Uighur Muslims?

I know you do...Coz I issued you a warning once

Do you not get hostile on East Turkistan threads? With Turks?

@beijingwalker You are a sane poster and I hope you remain sane!

 

[B.K.N]

including many Pakistanis.

Mostly medical students with low marks in Fsc go to China because for them it's not easy to get admission in Pakistani colleges

 

[beijingwalker]

Mostly medical students with low marks in Fsc go to China because for them it's not easy to get admission in Pakistani colleges

Maybe, but they are still Pakistani students, some reports say that most of China's scholarship goes to Pakistani students.

I don't know why you guys call me a racist, I m not and I know I m not. I hate racists and often openly criticize racism, I've never been labelled as a racist besides here in PDF, how funny.

 

[Brainsucker]

@Dubious Let me tell you one thing about graveyard in chinese mind, that you dont know because of different culture and belief.

Why there is no graveyard in the city? He is not wrong. because chinese believe in feng shui and graveyard is bad for fengshui. Thats why no developer will build a city near graveyard

Oh no. This is why i hate using smartphone to open pdf. Wrong quote and triple post because of bad connectiom.

Sorry pan. I supposed to quote @Dubious

Edit : Ok, I have edit it via my laptop.

 

[Brainsucker]

The Illegal Chinese de-Islamization and identification now target the Muslim graveyard in East Turkestan.

Also, Some 36 mosques in East Turkestan are destroyed, one of them is seen in the third picture.


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Nottingham Üniversitesinden Uygur tarihçi Rian Thum'un kamuoyu ile paylaştığı bilgilere göre, Çin, son olarak Doğu Türkistan'ın Hoten kentindeki merkez mezarlığı ortadan kaldırdı.

Sosyal medya hesaplarında bazı Müslüman alimlerin türbelerinin de bulunduğu mezarlığın önceki ve yıkıldıktan sonraki halinin görüntülerini paylaşan Uygurlar, buranın Çin'in ortadan kaldırdığı ilk mezarlık olmadığı iletisini paylaştı.

(Mezarlığın önceki hali)

(Mezarlığın şimdiki hali)

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The source: https://www.timeturk.com/cin-dogu-turkistan-da-musluman-mezarliklarini-yok-etti/haber-1099513




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Chinese govt has destroyed graveyard of Uighur community: Historian

The chinese government has destroyed a graveyard which belonged to Uighur community in Khotan .. claimed historian Rian Thum on Wednesday.
"The chinese authorities has now destroyed the valuable Uyghur graveyard in Khotan. It was additionally the site of numerous sacred shrines," tweeted Thum, along with two pictures taken from satellite tv for pc: First displaying a land packed with shape and the second one of barren land.

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The source: https://www.business-standard.com/a...ighur-community-historian-119061300091_1.html


Here is more evidences:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1138556480804786176

https://twitter.com/x/status/1138556749236060162

https://twitter.com/x/status/1138558285076938752

Here is how Chinese trolls try to immorally cover the situation:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1138819812719833088

I am pretty sure some of those Chinese trolls will do the same here.

Well, in Indonesia, in my town, our Chinese Graveyard was also got destroyed for the sake of building houses. And we never complain about that. Because we understand, that land is for living people. The need of living people surpass the need of the dead. So, we relocated the graveyard of our grandparents, or just cremate them.

Remember, this is Indonesia. Where the majority of people are Muslim.And we never think that they're bullying us by destroying our graveyard.

So why Graveyard become an issue now?

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

To deal with creatures like you

Couldnt answer my questions? Expected nothing less!....have a great day

why such butthurt? I only want to point out your biased moderation and you result to name calling..

anyway this is an open forum with posters from all over the world, maybe you couldn't handle people hurting your religious feelings but that is not my problem.

Pakistanis not friendly with China belong to three groups:
1. educated by Saudi arabi school, global Islam
2. educated by West, in the name of human rights
3. educated by Turkish school, just take the side of Turkey

So you can realize how important education is.

salafist mindset have been poisoning Xinjiang for the last 2 decades, good thing is we are more than capable to put an end to it, and that's exactly what we are doing.

don't mind those terrorist sympathisers, what can they do other than ranting in butthurt?

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

Wow, this is still going. I'd like to make something very clear to my Pakistani friends here - whatever you think of China and what it does, China doesn't f*ck with you. America f*cked and and continues to f*ck you royally:

Do you understand how lucky you are to be allied with a rising superpower that doesn't do anything to you? More than that, it does plenty for you:

Don't screw this up...

 

[Globenim]

Reading the last 10 pages and all we got is some foreign Turks and fresh who knows accounts talking on behalf of Chinese citizen, insulting Chinese and intelligence of Pakis and dumping almost template American propaganda tales about China that run contrary to any facts and evidence, that old silly staged fake photo series that they keep posting but no one has ever provided a source for in it must be years now and a few satelite photos of modern housing projects in towns... which is automatically bad because China.

Meanwhile your get hundreds of paid to lie Americans and Co aka "free press journalists" running trough all of Xinjiang desperately looking for some oppression footage, followed by whining about the very Chinese government that let them walk there and take pictures in first place, after they only got another collection of random fences and policemen, they now have to invent nasty captions for, to spin their boring trip, ignoring all the beautiful places, into some horror story.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Reading the last 10 pages and all we got is some foreign Turks and fresh who knows accounts talking on behalf of Chinese citizen, insulting Chinese and intelligence of Pakis and dumping almost template American propaganda tales about China that run contrary to any facts and evidence, that old silly staged fake photo series that they keep posting but no one has ever provided a source for in it must be years now and a few satelite photos of modern housing projects in towns... which is automatically bad because China.

Meanwhile your get hundreds of paid to lie Americans and Co aka "free press journalists" running trough all of Xinjiang desperately looking for some oppression footage, followed by whining about the very Chinese government that let them walk there and take pictures in first place, after they only got another collection of random fences and policemen, they now have to invent nasty captions for, to spin their boring trip, ignoring all the beautiful places, into some horror story.

Nailed it.

 

[Brainsucker]

why such butthurt? I only want to point out your biased moderation and you result to name calling..

anyway this is an open forum with posters from all over the world, maybe you couldn't handle people hurting your religious feelings but that is not my problem.

No, that is actually a problem. Because to be an ally, both of your people need to have "trust" to each other. If you want their respect, you have also respect them. And because they're so religious feeling, don't mock their religion in front of them. If you don't want to understand them, they won't to try understand you.

the thread abt the graveyard in China

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Hi @Dubious, I have a question about Islam. In My country, there are saying that Islam prohibit their worshipers to pray at the graveyard. Is it true? If that's right, then this graveyard matter has no relation with your religion. Because Graveyard has very weak relationship with Islam, as religion. But, if it's false, then please tell me about it.

I thought even in Saudi, there is a time limit for the people to be buried in a Graveyard. And after some time pass, they will be dig out for the burial to another. That's what I read from one of my country newspaper, who told about the grave of our PBNU and Muhammadiyah founders (both are the biggest Islamic groups in my country); who died in Saudi long time ago.

If it's true, then there is no problem with relocating the graveyard issue in Xinjiang. Because Graveyard is not a sacred place for Islam as religion. They're there as a pragmatic purpose. But if not, please correct me.

In contrary, Graveyard is a very big matter for Chinese. Because of Feng Shui. The location of graveyard is critical for their belief. Because that has strong relation with how lucky or unlucky you're in your life. A good positioned graveyard is believed can bring your descendant fortunes. But bad fengshui graveyard can create disaster to them.

But at the same time, the location of graveyard is also give unfortune to the house that built near them. That's why when one of Chinese Friend told you that "No Developer will build a house near Graveyard is right" he's right, according to Chinese superstitious and belief.

 

[Dubious]

Hi @Dubious, I have a question about Islam. In My country, there are saying that Islam prohibit their worshipers to pray at the graveyard. Is it true? If that's right, then this graveyard matter has no relation with your religion. Because Graveyard has very weak relationship with Islam, as religion. But, if it's false, then please tell me about it.

We cant pray to the dead if that is what you are asking but doesnt mean we dissociate with our dead! We pray FOR them at the graveyard!

I thought even in Saudi, there is a time limit for the people to be buried in a Graveyard. And after some time pass, they will be dig out for the burial to another. That's what I read from one of my country newspaper, who told about the grave of our PBNU and Muhammadiyah founders (both are the biggest Islamic groups in my country); who died in Saudi long time ago.

Moving graves is a different story...Usually for a better place or restoration of some historical buildings.... but still doesnt mean disrespect the dead

I thought even in Saudi, there is a time limit for the people to be buried in a Graveyard. And after some time pass, they will be dig out for the burial to another. That's what I read from one of my country newspaper, who told about the grave of our PBNU and Muhammadiyah founders (both are the biggest Islamic groups in my country); who died in Saudi long time ago.

It is sacred if there is no reason to relocate or if it has historical worth...Like the graves of the martyred in Saudi are not moved...The whole land is used for visiting site and historical importance. Grave of Prophet was not moved...It has been what it is at the present day Madinah.

I am not sure what you read....

In contrary, Graveyard is a very big matter for Chinese. Because of Feng Shui. The location of graveyard is critical for their belief. Because that has strong relation with how lucky or unlucky you're in your life. A good positioned graveyard is believed can bring your descendant fortunes. But bad fengshui graveyard can create disaster to them.

But at the same time, the location of graveyard is also give unfortune to the house that built near them. That's why when one of Chinese Friend told you that "No Developer will build a house near Graveyard is right" he's right, according to Chinese superstitious and belief.

I understand but the thread on the matter of the graveyard of the Muslims in China (a different thread) was being discussed...there seems to be a residential area at the graveyard site...

My question was which came first? The graveyard prior to the residential area- which would mean they constructed on or near the Muslim graveyard, which as you said is wrong as per Chinese believe but it has been done! OR if the residential area came first why dont the Chinese Muslims have a place to bury their dead that they needed to make one in the residential area? So question is still pending which one came first?

why such butthurt? I only want to point out your biased moderation and you result to name calling..

Name calling really? Creatures of the earth also include human

anyway this is an open forum with posters from all over the world, maybe you couldn't handle people hurting your religious feelings but that is not my problem.

Hurting anyone's religious feelings is against forum rules...Maybe you cant follow rules?

Hi @Dubious,

Oh sorry forgot Hi

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

Hurting anyone's religious feelings is against forum rules...Maybe you cant follow rules?

oh man this is hilarious...instead of dealing with your own insecurity about islam you want to hide behind forum rules..

let me make it simple for you: if you can't handle the forum, then don't come,let alone becom a mod...it's like giving a gun to a 12 year old

 

[Brainsucker]

We cant pray to the dead if that is what you are asking but doesnt mean we dissociate with our dead! We pray FOR them at the graveyard!


Moving graves is a different story...Usually for a better place or restoration of some historical buildings.... but still doesnt mean disrespect the dead



It is sacred if there is no reason to relocate or if it has historical worth...Like the graves of the martyred in Saudi are not moved...The whole land is used for visiting site and historical importance. Grave of Prophet was not moved...It has been what it is at the present day Madinah.

I am not sure what you read....


I understand but the thread on the matter of the graveyard of the Muslims in China (a different thread) was being discussed...there seems to be a residential area at the graveyard site...

My question was which came first? The graveyard prior to the residential area- which would mean they constructed on or near the Muslim graveyard, which as you said is wrong as per Chinese believe but it has been done! OR if the residential area came first why dont the Chinese Muslims have a place to bury their dead that they needed to make one in the residential area? So question is still pending which one came first?

Thanks for the clarification. Well, let's wait for the answer.

About the news that I read, they talk about the grave of the founders of two biggest Islamic Groups in my country, which was buried in Saudi. The news said that usually, in Saudi, the body will be relocated after a period of time (after they were buried). But because the founders were important persons for Islam, then their grave still there, and not relocated.

About the Chinese Muslims you mentioned, Is it Uyghur, or Hui?

 

[Dubious]

oh man this is hilarious...instead of dealing with your own insecurity about islam you want to hide behind forum rules..

Trolling is also against the rules and none of your posts have contributed anything except as a troll

let me make it simple for you: if you can't handle the forum, then don't come,let alone becom a mod...it's like giving a gun to a 12 year old

First learn to type proper English so that one can communicate with you and know you at least can understand enough English to be deemed communicable. Then practice what you preach

The forum has rules and "attacking" religion is against the forum rules...Thank you for admitting you have been doing so!

Come back when you know the rules and can be polite to other members, nations and religion!

@waz @Slav Defence
This guy has repeatedly trolled....enough is enough!

The news said that usually, in Saudi, the body will be relocated after a period of time (after they were buried).

Maybe the rule is different for foreigners?

Uyghur

On this thread it is a hot topic that the mainland Chinese have not been able to "discuss" and instead run off EVERY thread on Uyghurs

 

[Kai Liu]

No one jails people for no reason, jailing people costs a lot of money at least. The result for today's rich, peaceful and prosperous Xinjiang shows how successful China's policy is during the last decade.

Now try to explain those happy Xinjiang high schoolers.

Man, this video alone can put all these China haters into complete shame... Just compare the mentality of the kids in both videos... You can tell who is healthy and who is sick...
Look at what kind of "education" they are receiving in the so called "democratic free society"...