All Those Who Oppose Dialogue with TTP: What is the Final Solution in Your Opinion for TTP Problem?

[Trango Towers]

Good luck with the total destruction

As long as this beast has supporters like u it will continue

 

[CodeforFood]

As long as this beast has supporters like u it will continue

What a rational way of thinking here .
How did you come to a conclusion that I support any of this?

What a rational way of thinking here .
How did you come to a conclusion that I support any of this?

Some of these cannot be quashed with force alone. Look at the long history of these type of movements. Some of the most powerful of rulers havn't been able kill it just by force.(look up qaramatis, hashashins etc)

 

[Trango Towers]

What a rational way of thinking here .
How did you come to a conclusion that I support any of this?

Some of these cannot be quashed with force alone. Look at the long history of these type of movements. Some of the most powerful of rulers havn't been able kill it just by force.

I have seen your post...you are an undercover supporter.

 

[CodeforFood]

I have seen your post...you are an undercover supporter.

Would you like to quote some of those here for reference . Because i don't remember supporting any of this. Clearly your line of logical thinking does not lend well to a reasonable argument.

 

[Khan vilatey]

Require all TTP people to come to a tent/ tents for registration of amnesty and then cage them allowing the parents of the APS kids or other police, military or innocent who died because of their attacks to do whatever they wish with them.


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[Darth Vader]

Lets hear it from all the "security and terrorism experts" of PDF

Come on. Share us your solutions

Lets say Pakistan does have 3 to 5 years of peace
Lets go from Pakistans past history are these elements kept in check ? Does Pakistan have established enough to security checks so these & other religious elements dont get funding, weapons and other kind of support
Respect drama should answer you that.

The Establishment really wants a peaceful Pakistan ??

What will these groups & future groups do since they know the only card Pakistan was Afghanistan and they didnt play the ball instead of creating a buffer zone they said its Pakistans problem let Pak deal with it.

 

[Trango Towers]

Would you like to quote some of those here for reference . Because i don't remember supporting any of this. Clearly your line of logical thinking does not lend well to a reasonable argument.

Undercover

 

[CodeforFood]

Undercover

Alrighty then... Mr 007.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Lets hear it from all the "security and terrorism experts" of PDF

Come on. Share us your solutions

War is never a solution.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

No guarantee, infact it will make TTP more powerful, for the Afghan Taliban the TTP are a useful ally, they may have disagreements regarding Pakistan but they are still the same group, just one is anti Pakistan due to Pakistan government not directly helping Taliban in Afghanistan and not implementing the sharia law like in Afghanistan (it is their narrative). You can't mess with their narrative, in Afghanistan Pakistan supports Taliban and its sharia laws but across the border the TTP and its sharia is alien.

Tricky subject for sure !!!

 

[SQ8]

Nice emotional rhetoric

But I am more interested in solutions

Till now I have:

1. Establishment wants to keep TTP alive
2. I wish I want to torture TTP terrorists
3. Total destruction of TTP (didn't explain how)


These are the three things that I can conclude till now

Any solution guys???


The crux of your post is that Pakistan army wants to keep TTP alive

Do forum administration agree with what you are saying

Lets ask them

@The Eagle @Foxtrot Alpha @Zaki @SQ8

That is a very odd line to balance and I don’t think the establishment has any interest in keeping TTP alive.

However…

Military operations alone cannot end an ideology and in their own are costly endeavors. What I can gauge is that establishment doesn’t want to spend more in terms of men, material and money if they believe there is a cheaper carrot and stick solution to solve the problem.
The hard core elements of the TTP can be tackled through intelligence IBOs while the cannon fodder foot soldiers can be put back to farming peaches or onions or turned at worst into your local car electronic installer in Sher Shah market.

There are schools of thought that do prescribe that the establishment and certain political parties do want elements like the TTP and TLP available to justify support for them from first world powers in the message of “We are the only ones holding this together so don’t question our motives(and finances)” .

The recent IMF pressure will open a lot of hidden accounts used by the corrupt in and out of state institutions. To protect that and twist the arms if those that control the IMF you get the occasional TLP shoutout. However, this control is almost always loose since there is nothing more dangerous than the neem Mullahs heading these organizations.

Is the best option to eliminate all TTP?
Ideally yes but then what happens? Because they all would have families which will also join similar organizations not because of Islam but because they lost a loved one(after all human nature is that most will hold a soft spot for a loved one even after they commit horrendous crimes - jaffer as an e.g) . Then what about the 90% TTP the TLP?

So unless one wipes out 10% of the Pakistani population which is both impossible and disastrous the only way to fix the issue is through similar cultural change as the Chinese did. Arrest every possible leader and key person - create mass detention and reeducation camps and hope that somehow they are ignored for 20 years by any that would object both inside and outside the country.

Since that option isn’t humane all that can then be hoped for is to push education rapidly into society and reform the Madressas - hoping to survive hell until some form of intelligent beings starts to emerge out of this system after 30 years.

 

[CodeforFood]

That is a very odd line to balance and I don’t think the establishment has any interest in keeping TTP alive.

However…

Military operations alone cannot end an ideology and in their own are costly endeavors. What I can gauge is that establishment doesn’t want to spend more in terms of men, material and money if they believe there is a cheaper carrot and stick solution to solve the problem.
The hard core elements of the TTP can be tackled through intelligence IBOs while the cannon fodder foot soldiers can be put back to farming peaches or onions or turned at worst into your local car electronic installer in Sher Shah market.

There are schools of thought that do prescribe that the establishment and certain political parties do want elements like the TTP and TLP available to justify support for them from first world powers in the message of “We are the only ones holding this together so don’t question our motives(and finances)” .

The recent IMF pressure will open a lot of hidden accounts used by the corrupt in and out of state institutions. To protect that and twist the arms if those that control the IMF you get the occasional TLP shoutout. However, this control is almost always loose since there is nothing more dangerous than the neem Mullahs heading these organizations.

Is the best option to eliminate all TTP?
Ideally yes but then what happens? Because they all would have families which will also join similar organizations not because of Islam but because they lost a loved one(after all human nature is that most will hold a soft spot for a loved one even after they commit horrendous crimes - jaffer as an e.g) . Then what about the 90% TTP the TLP?

So unless one wipes out 10% of the Pakistani population which is both impossible and disastrous the only way to fix the issue is through similar cultural change as the Chinese did. Arrest every possible leader and key person - create mass detention and reeducation camps and hope that somehow they are ignored for 20 years by any that would object both inside and outside the country.

Since that option isn’t humane all that can then be hoped for is to push education rapidly into society and reform the Madressas - hoping to survive hell until some form of intelligent beings starts to emerge out of this system after 30 years.

My point exactly. You cannot solve this with one dimensional approach. There needs to be tough line but also venues where TTP folks can be disarmed and brought back into mainstream. So making a deal isn't bad as long as it is made from the position of strength.

 

[pakpride00090]

That is a very odd line to balance and I don’t think the establishment has any interest in keeping TTP alive.

However…

Military operations alone cannot end an ideology and in their own are costly endeavors. What I can gauge is that establishment doesn’t want to spend more in terms of men, material and money if they believe there is a cheaper carrot and stick solution to solve the problem.
The hard core elements of the TTP can be tackled through intelligence IBOs while the cannon fodder foot soldiers can be put back to farming peaches or onions or turned at worst into your local car electronic installer in Sher Shah market.

There are schools of thought that do prescribe that the establishment and certain political parties do want elements like the TTP and TLP available to justify support for them from first world powers in the message of “We are the only ones holding this together so don’t question our motives(and finances)” .

The recent IMF pressure will open a lot of hidden accounts used by the corrupt in and out of state institutions. To protect that and twist the arms if those that control the IMF you get the occasional TLP shoutout. However, this control is almost always loose since there is nothing more dangerous than the neem Mullahs heading these organizations.

Is the best option to eliminate all TTP?
Ideally yes but then what happens? Because they all would have families which will also join similar organizations not because of Islam but because they lost a loved one(after all human nature is that most will hold a soft spot for a loved one even after they commit horrendous crimes - jaffer as an e.g) . Then what about the 90% TTP the TLP?

So unless one wipes out 10% of the Pakistani population which is both impossible and disastrous the only way to fix the issue is through similar cultural change as the Chinese did. Arrest every possible leader and key person - create mass detention and reeducation camps and hope that somehow they are ignored for 20 years by any that would object both inside and outside the country.

Since that option isn’t humane all that can then be hoped for is to push education rapidly into society and reform the Madressas - hoping to survive hell until some form of intelligent beings starts to emerge out of this system after 30 years.

Sahi kia ap bhag gaye yahan se....Hamein bhi yahan se bhag jana chahiyeh instead of betting our lives for many more decades.

 

[313ghazi]

We're negociating from a position of weakness, when we should be waging war from a position of strength. If I was responsible for the TTP this is the approach i'd take.

1. No more trials, all verdicts are delivered at the end of a barrel. The courts in our country are a waste of time.
2. Target and kill their leadership, including through ops in Afghanistan if needs be.
3. Use IBO to target cells and their bases/camps.
4. Pressure Afghan Taliban to help you destroy them, otherwise we close our border.

These people only understand violence. We should use every military means available to us to destroy them in our own territory and to target them in Afghanistan.

People will keep refering to NATO's defeat in Afghanistan, but you guys don't notice the difference. NATO was in Afghanistan for political interests at best, the military operation was optics. They weren't defending their territory. If the Taliban had been an existential threat to the USA they'd have nuked Afghanistan if they had to. The US fought a limited war, they didn't want to lose tens of thousands of men occupying Afghanistan, they wanted the body count to be Afghan. We are defending our territory, we are defending our mainland - we don't need to worry about the body count, we don't have to worry about the costs, defeat is not an option.

Ultimately all conflicts end at the table, but that should be a table built upon a mountain of our enemies corpses.

 

[Pak Nationalist]

Lets hear it from all the "security and terrorism experts" of PDF

Come on. Share us your solutions

Negotiate surrender. That happens when their cause is made hopeless. Let this hujjat be tamaam as well, but let it be the last one. We thought it was the last one when they butchered innocent children in APS Peshawar, but in Pakistan, nothing shocks us anymore.