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This is the difference between those who learn the ugly truth about their own government instead of reading single-source state-sponsored propaganda. I don't take it personal when someone credibly reports the US makes a mistake. Your responses are emotional, not clinical..

Unlike you, we don't believe everything before there is actual proof. Try to understand that nothing has been confirmed yet, so that's why I am not jumping to conclusions.
 
Ukrainian airplane shot down by mistake by Iranian anti-aircraft missile, Pentagon officials believe
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By Greg Norman, Lucas Tomlinson
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US increasingly believes Ukraine plane was downed by Iran by mistake
The U.S. intelligence community increasingly believes that the Ukraine passenger jet that went down after takeoff in Iran was accidentally struck by a Russian-made missile; national security correspondent Jennifer Griffin reports.

The Ukrainian passenger plane that crashed shortly after taking off from Tehran’s international airport Wednesday was shot down by mistake by an Iranian anti-aircraft missile, Pentagon officials told Fox News.

The revelation comes as Ukrainian investigators reportedly are awaiting permission from Iranian authorities Thursday to examine the crash site and look for missile fragments. Iran has denied that a missile took down the Boeing 737 bound for Kiev, and its officials have blamed a technical malfunction for the aircraft’s demise.

"A strike by a missile, possibly a Tor missile system, is among the main (theories), as information has surfaced on the internet about elements of a missile being found near the site of the crash," Oleksiy Danilov, secretary of Ukraine's Security Council, told Ukrainian media. He did not elaborate on where he saw the information.

President Trump, when asked Thursday about what could have happened to the Ukrainian International Airlines flight, said “someone could have made a mistake on the other side.”

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Rescue workers search the scene where an Ukrainian plane crashed in Shahedshahr, southwest of the Iranian capital of Tehran, on Wednesday. (AP)

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The Tor is a Russian-made missile system. Russia delivered 29 Tor-M1s to Iran in 2007 as part of a $700 million contract signed in December 2005. Iran has displayed the missiles in military parades as well.

Iran did not immediately respond to the Ukrainian remarks. However, Gen. Abolfazl Shekarchi, the spokesman of the Iranian armed forces, denied a missile hit the airplane in comments reported Wednesday by the Fars news agency.

He dismissed the allegation as "psychological warfare" by foreign-based Iranian opposition groups.

Newsweek was the first to report that the plane was mistakenly shot down by missiles.

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Rescue workers recover the bodies of victims at the crash site. (AP)

The incident has similarities to the 2014 downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 over eastern Ukraine.

All 298 passengers and crew onboard flight MH17from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur were killed on July 17, 2014, when a missile shattered the Boeing 777 midair, sending debris and bodies raining down onto farms and fields of sunflowers. The jet in 2014 was shot down by a Soviet-made missile over rebel-held eastern Ukraine, about 25 miles from the Russian border, where fighting had been raging for months between Ukrainian forces and Russian-backed separatists.


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President Trump says the Ukraine passenger jet that went down shortly after takeoff in Iran was flying in a 'pretty rough neighborhood' and somebody may have 'made a mistake.'

Danilov also said other possible causes under consideration for Wednesday's downing included a drone or another flying object crashing into the plane, a terrorist attack or an engine malfunction causing an explosion. However, no terror group has claimed responsibility for the attack and the plane was less than four years old.

The crash came just a few hours after Iran launched a ballistic missile attack against Iraqi military bases housing U.S. troops amid a confrontation with Washington over it killing an Iranian Revolutionary Guard general in a drone strike last week.

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A Russian-made S-300 air defense system displayed on Baharestan square in Tehran on September 25, 2017. (ATTA KENARE/AFP via Getty Images)

An initial report prepared by Iran's Civil Aviation Organization said Thursday that plane’s crew never made a radio call for help and was trying to turn back for the airport when it went down.

The Ukrainian International Airlines flight took off at 6:12 a.m. Wednesday, after nearly an hour's delay at Tehran's Imam Khomeini Airport, the main airport for travelers in Iran. It gained altitude heading west, reaching nearly 8,000 feet, according to both the report and flight-tracking data.

Then something went wrong, though “no radio messages were received from the pilot regarding unusual situations,” the report said. In emergencies, pilots reach out to air-traffic controllers to warn them and to clear the runway for their arrival, though their first priority is to keep the aircraft flying.

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Eyewitnesses, including the crew of another flight passing above it, described seeing the plane engulfed in flames before crashing at 6:18 a.m., the report said. Flight-tracking data for the plane stopped before the crash, which occurred in the town of Shahedshahr to the northeast of the plane's last reported position. That's the wrong direction of the flight plan, the Associated Press says, bolstering the report's claim that the pilots tried to turn the aircraft back to the airport.

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Rescue workers inspect the scene where a Ukrainian plane crashed in Shahedshahr, southwest of the capital Tehran, Iran, on Wednesday. (AP)

The crash caused a massive explosion when the plane hit the ground, likely because the aircraft had been fully loaded with fuel for the flight to Kyiv, Ukraine.

But the report also confirmed that both of the “black boxes” that contain data and cockpit communications from the plane had been recovered, though they sustained damage and some parts of their memory was lost. It also said that investigators have initially ruled out laser or electromagnetic interference as causing the crash.

Oleksandr Zaporozhchenko, a mechanic with the Ukraine International Airlines in 2016-2018, said he knew one of the crew members of the plane and had never heard any complaints about the aircraft.

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“It is one the most reliable planes out there,” Zaporozhchenko told The Associated Press.

The plane was carrying 167 passengers and nine crew members from several countries, including 82 Iranians, at least 63 Canadians and 11 Ukrainians, according to officials. Many of the passengers were believed to be international students attending universities in Canada; they were making their way back to Toronto by way of Kiev after visiting with family during the winter break.

Fox News' Travis Fedschun and the Associated Press contributed to this report

https://www.foxnews.com/world/ukrai...i-aircraft-missile-pentagon-officials-believe
 
To be honest the shrapnel holes in the fuselage could also be a result of an exploding turbine stage.
They spin at very high speeds and if few of the many blades dislodge they will go through the fuselage easily and on the way disintegrate, creating a shrapnel spray.

Exactly.
There is obviously a good chance something happened to this plane, maybe communication were jammed. We know Iran was apparently jamming US drones etc, something may have happened to this plane in the process.

We just need to wait and see.
 
though a clearly mistake but major embarrassment. This will lead to international implications for Iran. Its all over 'Air Flight 655' situation for Iran when US shot down Irani plane killing 290 people on board.
 
The Ukrainian flight that crashed in Iran was shot down by a missile, according to reported US satellite intelligence
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Ukrainian Emergency workers carry a victim's body in a body bag as pro-Russian fighters stand guard at the crash site of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 near the village of Hrabove, eastern Ukraine in July 2014.
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  • US officials, according to multiple reports, believe that Ukrainian International Airlines Flight 752 was shot down by an Iranian surface-to-air missile.
  • Pentagon officials told Newsweek that the plane was probably shot down by accident, as Iran's surface-to-air missile systems were likely active at the time of the crash.
  • The incident occurred shortly after Iran fired a barrage of ballistic missiles at US and coalition forces in Iraq in response to a US drone strike that killed top Iranian general Qassem Soleimani.

Ukrainian International Airlines Flight 752 is suspected to have been hit by fire from a Russian-built Tor M-1 (SA-15) surface-to-air missile system operated by the Iranian military, according to multiple reports.

Pentagon officials told Newsweek that the incident is believed to have been an accident, as anti-aircraft systems were likely active at the time of the suspected shoot down.The Pentagon could not confirm the report for Insider.

The plane crashed outside of the Iranian capital of Tehran on Wednesday, killing all 176 people on board, shortly after Iranian forces launched a barrage of missiles at US and coalition forces in Iraq in response to a US drone strike that killed top Iranian general Qassem Soleimani last week.

CBS News reports that US officials are confident that Iran shot down Flight 752, explaining that US intelligence detected anti-aircraft radars turning on prior to the crash. Satellites detected two infrared blips, suspected SA-15 missile launches, that were followed by another blip, the aircraft explosion.

CNN confirmed CBS and Newsweek's reporting as two US officials told the Associated Press that it was "highly likely" that the aircraft was downed by an Iranian anti-aircraft missile.

President Donald Trump said Thursday that he does not believe that the passenger jet went down as a result of a mechanical error, according to CNBC.

"It was flying in a pretty rough neighborhood," the president said. "Someone could have made a mistake. I have a feeling that — it's just some very terrible, something very terrible happened, very devastating"

Oleksiy Danylov, the secretary of Ukraine's National Security and Defense Council, wrote on Facebook Thursday that Ukrainian investigators are considering a number of possibilities, including that the plane may have been shot down.

Images showing apparent fragments of a Tor M-1 missile said to have been found outside of Tehran have been circulating on social media

Other possibilities Ukrainian investigators are looking at include an engine explosion due to a technical malfunction, a terrorist attack, or a collision with an unmanned aerial vehicle.

This is a developing story and will be updated as more information becomes available.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukrainian-flight-752-shot-down-by-anti-aircraft-missile-2020-1
Looks like American SBIRS network caught this event in the act while tracking Iranian ballistic missiles in the region.

Iranian government should come clean in this. Many lives have been lost in this unexpected tragedy.
 
Unlike you, we don't believe everything before there is actual proof. Try to understand that nothing has been confirmed yet, so that's why I am not jumping to conclusions.

There is a ton of evidence. There is also evidence that just like you, I want to see with my own eyes before blindly believing it.

My government won't even "confirm" that Israel attacked the USS Liberty to try to drag the US into their war. But we all know it is true.

My government won't even confirm that they shot down one of the planes on 9/11 to prevent it from hitting anymore buildings.
 
@Irfan Baloch

Can we please close these silly speculation threads until we have actual info on what happened.

This is not an Iranian Defence Forum or an Indian Defence Forum belonging to countries where media is controlled by the ruling religious fanatics.

This is Pakistani Defence Forum. Welcome.
 
There is a ton of evidence. There is also evidence that just like you, I want to see with my own eyes before blindly believing it.

My government won't even "confirm" that Israel attacked the USS Liberty to try to drag the US into their war. But we all know it is true.

Only circumstantial evidence, we don't know anything for sure. Just wait for now.

This is not an Iranian Defence Forum or an Indian Defence Forum belonging to countries where media is controlled by the ruling religious fanatics.

This is Pakistani Defence Forum. Welcome.

What are you blabbering about?
 
Arghhh another MH-17 just only 5-6 years later in same timeframe of geopolitical chessboard games sadly the victims families like in this plane crash like the MH17 ones will have to suffer through all the geopolitical nonsense between that US causes there and its only the US press reporting it so far just wait a few years they gonna let Iran off the hook but Iran will still be the bad guy

Keep in mind. These 170+ people wouldn't have died if the US didn't start this shit. The perpetrator of this massacre is the US, not Iran.
 
Boeing represented in Iran investigation into Ukrainian plane crash: Official

This is IMO a HUGE mistake. They will blame it on Iran to downplay their recent fiasco with the 738-MAX

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New York (CNN Business)Boeing shares rose Thursday following reports that Iran may have mistakenly shot down a Ukrainian 737 jet Wednesday.

The United States increasingly believes that Iran downed the plane soon after it took off from Tehran, CNN and other news outlets reported. The crash took place hours after Iranian rocket attacks on US forces in Iraq.
Early reports suggested the plane went down because of a mechanical problem. Investors were concerned that could add to Boeing's long list of 737 problems and could further disrupt its business. Shares of Boeing (BA), which fell Wednesday, were up 2% on the news.


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Iran's head of civil aviation: It is impossible that a missile hit the Ukrainian plane
 
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The question why Iranian shoot so close to the airport ... lets see what information comes out in coming days ... I do not believe what American media is saying and now western media saying the same thing, just picking on that news.
 
The question why Iranian shoot so close to the airport ... lets see what information comes out in coming days ... I do not believe what American media is saying and now western media saying the same thing, just picking on that news.

They were very fast to say it was a Tor rocket and then s300.
 
The crash site is itself evidence, when a plane impacts a ground it's debris are spread in a small area. But if it's already broken up in mid air or partially broken up in mid air then it's debris are spread over larger area - same case is here, debris are spread over about a kilometer.

My theory is that it got hit by SAM or blown up by bomb which partially broke the airplane causing it to lose some of it's flight surfaces. For example, it's tail is found way before of the most of debris.
 
The crash site is itself evidence, when a plane impacts a ground it's debris are spread in a small area. But if it's already broken up in mid air or partially broken up in mid air then it's debris are spread over larger area - same case is here, debris are spread over about a kilometer.

My theory is that it got hit by SAM or blown up by bomb which partially broke the airplane causing it to lose some of it's flight surfaces. For example, it's tail is found way before of the most of debris.

Who said the debris were spread over a larger area?
 
Keep in mind. These 170+ people wouldn't have died if the US didn't start this shit. The perpetrator of this massacre is the US, not Iran.

Probably one of the most obtuse thought processes I have ever read. "He started it" is a common American phrase when a child gets in trouble for being rough with a brother/sister, etc.
 

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