All PAF F-16s at Same Airbase!

[Sage]

Agreed that in peacetime Sargodha houses close to 100 aircraft but look how many are visible in this satellite image.
These images of different areas of the base were captured during peacetime. what chances for attacking aircraft travelling at say 500 MPH.... does our immediate aggressor has the luxury or confidence to spend time over our bases without being challenged.....in any case, in this day and era, the so called preemptive strikes are thing of the past.



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And a terrorist attack like Mehran AFB ?

 

[Rocky rock]

Nothing personal but a little bit of common sense is required here.

1.The 38 Multi Role Wing which is the primary command echelon of 9 and 11 Squadrons is housed at Mushaf Air Base. The sub-units remain close and in contact with their command structure.

2. The maintenance/rearmament etc facilities for F-16's have been in this base since 1990's.

3. During escalation, e.g. 26/11 of India, the alert status in PAF can shift aircrafts to other bases where required like FOB's.

4. The landing and taking off capability from motorway was acquired to be used in alert/war time.

Now a few ambiguities:

Did you personally go to Mushaf Air base and count 58 F-16's parked there in hangars ?
The HQ's of 9 and 11 MR-Squadrons can be housed at Mushaf Airbase but the F-16's can be on duty somewhere else.

F-16's are taking part in Zarb e Azab, they can also be parked in Air bases in Peshawar.
F-16's are also rotated in Northern sectors like Skardu and Gilgit.

And why just F-16's, Why didnt you consider these?
The whole command structure of Pakistan Army sits in GHQ whereas the command structure of Army/Navy/Airforce sits a few km away in JSHQ.

There is only one HIT and POF and both are not far away. PAC also sits close in the same belt.

Kharian cantonment houses 40,000 troops in two infantry divisions and one armoured brigade.

These are just random examples.

There are many welcoming targets in peace time but during crisis or alert or war, deployments change within minutes or hours.

No i didn't went there personally i've just gathered the information from official Sources.

even if they are flying all over Pakistan they have to land back to their home base. so it means they all would be at same base after job.

i also considered the same point about GHQ's but i feel hesitate to trigger this issue. it's also a matter of cocern but f-16s are back bone of PAF. these assets worth millions of dollars.

 

[Signalian]

No i didn't went there personally i've just gathered the information from official Sources.

So the ambiguity still exists regarding the number of aircrafts parked there, however the command structure of these squadrons resides there.

even if they are flying all over Pakistan they have to land back to their home base. so it means they all would be at same base after job.

Will need to calculate the probability of all the aircrafts landing at short time intervals so all the aircraft inventory is present at the base at a certain time of a certain day. And then factor in that India missile command will be sitting with trigger in hand to deploy a missile strike at that time.

In any case, its doubtful that all the strength of F-16's are present at base all the time, due to:
1. Ops Zarb e Azab
2. Exercises and Training
3. Detachments deployed at other locations

Its also reported that Pakistan has an underground hangar facility at Mushaf Airbase. Apart from this PAF uses hardened hangars made from concrete which can reduce damage to aircraft.

i also considered the same point about GHQ's but i feel hesitate to trigger this issue. it's also a matter of cocern but f-16s are back bone of PAF. these assets worth millions of dollars.

I had skimmed through 6 pages first and then gave a reply. Out of those 6 pages, only 1 page worth of postings can be considered the type of replies you expected, the rest of posts were trolling.

You should hesitate to trigger this issue,not because this issue is will not guarantee sensible replies but because it will be an open invitation to trolling again. Also you should have a clear idea now about deployments in peace and war time. Mobile Commands, Underground shelters, safe houses etc are at disposable of High Command.

If F-16's are millions of $$$ then KRL, POF, HIT, PAC and many other installations are Billions of $$$ worth and top brass of GHQ is priceless as decades of command and operations experience cannot be weighed in money. .

Lastly, there are no limits for being paranoid.

 

[Rocky rock]

Will need to calculate the probability of all the aircrafts landing at short time intervals so all the aircraft inventory is present at the base at a certain time of a certain day. And then factor in that India missile command will be sitting with trigger in hand to deploy a missile strike at that time.

In any case, its doubtful that all the strength of F-16's are present at base all the time, due to:
1. Ops Zarb e Azab
2. Exercises and Training
3. Detachments deployed at other locations

ok i agree if some of these f-16's are in Air. which couldn't more than 10 in peace time. but other 50 are still there at base.

Its also reported that Pakistan has an underground hangar facility at Mushaf Airbase. Apart from this PAF uses hardened hangars made from concrete which can reduce damage to aircraft.

and i've visited the whole "Mushaf" base there isn't any underground bunkers for Aircraft's. there are all Concrete Bunkers which could be easily hit with "Anti Bunker Missile".

If F-16's are millions of $$$ then KRL, POF, HIT, PAC and many other installations are Billions of $$$ worth and top brass of GHQ is priceless as decades of command and operations experience cannot be weighed in money. .

you are Expanding my list of concerns. All these facilities could be great target for Enemy. we shouldn't put all fruits in same basket. there's one more concern i would like to share is "Karachi Naval Base" we are having this single full fledged Naval Base. in both 65 and 71 wars Indian first target was this Base. we must Active Gwadar,Ormara,Pasni,jewani bases fully for Naval use.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Pakistan has no defense system that is capable of intercepting, any, let alone low flying cruise missiles, and probably doesn't have the radar to detect them

keep thinking that.

 

[xyxmt]

Why Pakistan has parked all of it's 58 "F-16 block A/B" aircraft's at single Mushaf Airbase Sargodha?

What if enemy make Surprise attack on this Airbase and Destroy the whole base at once. and brake our back bone in single strike? i know there are Radar's Monitoring 24-7 our Airspace but we can barely fly not more than 10 f-16's in that time.

Expecting reply from Senior Members no troll Please!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAF_Base_Mushaf

if that happens then Pakistan is not even worth having an airforce

 

[Sine Nomine]

@Sarge @Rocky rock at any given time sargodha never houses all the birds,there is shorkot,mianwali close to it which houses these jets also,dozen of them are also in Jacobabad with newest 18 others,some of them are in kpk for zarb-e-azab and last kamara also has got haalf dozen.Your concern is right sargodha is heavily monitored area through HUMINT and SIGINT,TTP do tried to mount an attack but failed.
And also you can't just strike a target plans are made updated and tested for there validity and sometimes plans after all workout go into dustbin becuse they are not valid and mark my words''Surprise attacks or not all about achieving your set objective but you do always calculate enemy response and sometimes enemy response is simply out of your capacity and you don't attack'' what you see India's hunger for surgical strike on Pakistan,they do plan it and they calculate at end response will be more then we will gain....so chill.....

 

[T90TankGuy]

Not true.

RAW can orchestrate a terrorist attack in India on lines of 9/11, 26/11 with damage or mass causalities to justify an attack on Pakistan by India.

How can one argue with such a conspiracy filled mind.

 

[vizier]

No need to destroy each plane at the base as if the runway is destroyed with several bombs the planes are grounded for sufficient time for continious enemy air to ground operations. Also when some operation is planned something happens to fit the context like a bomb goes off somewhere so it is better to keep alert as things can change almost instantaneously.

I think there is not much problem in terms of cruise missiles as there is ly 80 and other missiles for that purpose. However there is the need of fast and high altitude coverage like HQ 9 or S300 with at least limited tactical abm capability which would also theoratically work against brahmos type supersonic cruise missiles as well as multiple high altitude surprise attack at least for important bases like these. Also active protection against guided munitions would complement and effectively protect these systems ensuring their continious operation against enemy targets like pantsyr.

 

[P4K1ST4N]

All these facilities could be great target for Enemy. we shouldn't put all fruits in same basket. there's one more concern i would like to share is "Karachi Naval Base" we are having this single full fledged Naval Base. in both 65 and 71 wars Indian first target was this Base. we must Active Gwadar,Ormara,Pasni,jewani bases fully for Naval use.

As far as the Naval Ships are concerned, change took place 10 years ago, I would refrain from divulging further info, I would say you need to do bit more research on this.

 

[Rocky rock]

As far as the Naval Ships are concerned, change took place 10 years ago, I would refrain from divulging further info, I would say you need to do bit more research on this.

As i've just said we need to make these Bases fully functional like the Karachi one. we need to Develop an facility for berthing of Subs. repairing of ships during war time. and
Ammunition Depot. all other bases lack these basic facilities Except Karachi and in future now maybe Gwadar.

 

[Sage]

Why Pakistan has parked all of it's 58 "F-16 block A/B" aircraft's at single Mushaf Airbase Sargodha?

What if enemy make Surprise attack on this Airbase and Destroy the whole base at once. and brake our back bone in single strike? i know there are Radar's Monitoring 24-7 our Airspace but we can barely fly not more than 10 f-16's in that time.

Expecting reply from Senior Members no troll Please!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAF_Base_Mushaf

You have a point but since you are not that senior member and also that you have not claimed that you got some 'inside'source for breaking this news, no one is gonna take you seriously. This is the dilemma of this forum. No one asks from forces. Time and time again, their bases are getting hit by bunch of terrorists but no one clicks anyone. Highlight a loophole in the armed forces and you are made like barking at the wrong tree. It's a huge mistake if all the F-16s are parked on one FB ...remember the english proverb...'Do not put all your eggs in one basket' ....?

 

[khanmubashir]

Why Pakistan has parked all of it's 58 "F-16 block A/B" aircraft's at single Mushaf Airbase Sargodha?

What if enemy make Surprise attack on this Airbase and Destroy the whole base at once. and brake our back bone in single strike? i know there are Radar's Monitoring 24-7 our Airspace but we can barely fly not more than 10 f-16's in that time.

Expecting reply from Senior Members no troll Please!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAF_Base_Mushaf

wiki is public sourced Q who wrote that article on wiki could it b disinformation ??

 

[Signalian]

ok i agree if some of these f-16's are in Air. which couldn't more than 10 in peace time. but other 50 are still there at base.




and i've visited the whole "Mushaf" base there isn't any underground bunkers for Aircraft's. there are all Concrete Bunkers which could be easily hit with "Anti Bunker Missile".

you are Expanding my list of concerns. All these facilities could be great target for Enemy. we shouldn't put all fruits in same basket. there's one more concern i would like to share is "Karachi Naval Base" we are having this single full fledged Naval Base. in both 65 and 71 wars Indian first target was this Base. we must Active Gwadar,Ormara,Pasni,jewani bases fully for Naval use.

Anti bunker missile will be carried by an IAF plane which can be intercepted and destroyed in the air by PAF fighters. The radars of PAF monitor IAF flights even in close by air bases e.g pathankot. The enemy flight can be countered.
This is a major reason that surgical strikes talk by IAF has died down.

Mushaf AB is not the only air base which needs to send flights to counter IAF intrusion. There are other nearby bases also from which AD alert aircrafts can be scrambled.

Regarding the figure of 10 F-16's in the air, they are more than enough to check IAF intrusion, however, they will still be complimented by Mirage -III and F-7P/PG from nearby airbases. Then there are SAM's which are used to engage low flying aircraft which try to evade radars.

Heard rumours that Naval base is shifting to Ormara.

If your list of concerns is expanding then either stop visiting PDF or get knowledge instead of freaking out.
Dont burden yourself with worries that are in capable hands or else you get high BP or something and end up in a hospital bed.

 

[P4K1ST4N]

As i've just said we need to make these Bases fully functional like the Karachi one. we need to Develop an facility for berthing of Subs. repairing of ships during war time. and
Ammunition Depot. all other bases lack these basic facilities Except Karachi and in future now maybe Gwadar.

You are still peddling same words when I indicated to you Karachi for Navy Ships & Submarines is not what it used to be.

Jinnah Naval Base is a strategic naval base of the Pakistan Navy located at Ormara, Balochistan, Pakistan.

Work on selection of the site for the Jinnah Naval Base commenced in 1990. The contract was awarded to Turkish company STFA and Jan De Nul of Belgium for offshore and land development in December 1992.

Construction of the Base began in 1994 and the Base was inaugurated on 22 January 2000. The Base was constructed at a cost of Rs. 4.5 billion.

Jinnah Naval Base (Ormara) can provide berthing facilities to eight warships and four submarines at a time.

As far as the Submarine base is concerned it isn't Karachi anymore.

Heard rumours that Naval base is shifting to Ormara.

Already accomplished.