Alcohol in Pakistan: The prohibition and after

[Donatello]

Make Alcohol consumption legal, but introduce taxation, like EU has heavy taxes on cigarettes, and that tax is then used to fund health care.

 

[Developereo]

Make Alcohol consumption legal, but introduce taxation, like EU has heavy taxes on cigarettes, and that tax is then used to fund health care.

See my post #57. The tax revenue doesn't even begin to cover the societal costs.

Alcohol is an addictive drug and a curse. It's a hell of a price to pay for a poor country like Pakistan, just so some people can feel all sophisticated and "westernized" by holding up a glass of Chivas.

 

[SQ8]

But that applies to everything doesn't it ?

A general breakdown of the system means that whatever laws you make the Elite would circumvent them with absolute ease anyhow !

So why make them ? Why have a law against Murder when we've got Jattaois a dime-a-dozen in Pakistan ?

Why ban drugs when we all know that it is likely that there are those who've got everyone from the Police Constable to the Secretary of that Ministry sniffing hereon with them at the end of business ?

And there we go. The laws are enforced for the less privileged, hence the only thing that they do is have the rest of us petty folk running around for alternative routes for our respective poisons. In essence the laws arent a deterrence but a hindrance to what is going to be achieved regardless.
Sooner or later, they will be flouted openly by the common folk. What is needed is a massive change in the system. Not from the top , but from the bottom.

Say for e.g. people running around with armed escorts just for the heck of it. So someone just announces.. anyone running around with one of these escorts regardless of who he is gets a RPG.
Or put in nice metal barriers at signals.. one motorcyclist.. two.. ten.. dead.. everyone gets in line.
Why such brazen cruelty? because essentially we are all goats as a society.. and laws and law enforcement meant for civil societies cannot work; be it for the elite or the bottom dwellers.

Then people have objections to the punishments proscribed in Sharia.. without realizing the reasoning behind them. Shock and awe has its value in human psychology.

Make Alcohol consumption legal, but introduce taxation, like EU has heavy taxes on cigarettes, and that tax is then used to fund health care.

For a nation of tax evaders???

 

[Armstrong]

And there we go. The laws are enforced for the less privileged, hence the only thing that they do is have the rest of us petty folk running around for alternative routes for our respective poisons. In essence the laws arent a deterrence but a hindrance to what is going to be achieved regardless.
Sooner or later, they will be flouted openly by the common folk. What is needed is a massive change in the system. Not from the top , but from the bottom.

Say for e.g. people running around with armed escorts just for the heck of it. So someone just announces.. anyone running around with one of these escorts regardless of who he is gets a RPG.
Or put in nice metal barriers at signals.. one motorcyclist.. two.. ten.. dead.. everyone gets in line.
Why such brazen cruelty? because essentially we are all goats as a society.. and laws and law enforcement meant for civil societies cannot work; be it for the elite or the bottom dwellers.

Then people have objections to the punishments proscribed in Sharia.. without realizing the reasoning behind them. Shock and awe has its value in human psychology.

I agree !

I thought you were advocating a ban on alcohol consumption being removed & I wondered what is it about 'alcohol' that doesn't apply to the flouting of every other law out there, by the privileged !

 

[Counter-Errorist]

I think you got me wrong there. When I said bad, I meant it is open to abuse by some people. Responsible drinking of alcohol is not bad and in some cases might be good for your health.

Fair enough, but alcohol is not just open to abuse, it drives you to abuse itself. You're one-low-point-in-life away from drowning in alcohol when it's readily available. And what then? Tell me, how easy is it for an alcoholic to recover from addiction? It destroys people's lives. And very few manage to recover back to their normal lives.

 

[MilSpec]

Let non-muslims drink..... Uphold Gen Zia's 80 lashes for Muslims.... quite simple...

 

[livingdead]

Fair enough, but alcohol is not just open to abuse, it drives you to abuse itself. You're one-low-point-in-life away from drowning in alcohol when it's readily available. And what then? Tell me, how easy is it for an alcoholic to recover from addiction? It destroys people's lives. And very few manage to recover back to their normal lives.

you are being filmy here bro, I lived in India and UK, both places alcohol consumption is legal.
People work hard and have a pint with their mates on a friday. or have a romantic dinner with their partner with a glass of wine.
Vast majority get on with their lives on monday (you have to else you will be in soup).
Sometimes people who are feeling low psychologically might drink more ( I wont and I have my own lows and highs) but I would tend to think alcohol saves them from commiting suicide. Usually they recover from that phase and continue as normal.
Its not addictive like drugs. Or even cigarettes, without which some cant go to toilet.

UK has some issues with cheap booze(supermarkets selling at lower than cost price) that needs to be sorted out.

I seriously dont understand all this fuss, I think sugary drinks are much more dangerous to population.

 

[airmarshal]

Nadeem Paracha is one of the most idiotic writers. Give him anything to flog Pakistan and Islam. He starts and ends with alcohol.

If alcohol is publicly banned in Pakistan, tell me who does not get to drink who wants to drink? Consuming alcohol in public isn't a sign of freedom and liberalism. You want to drink? call a bootlegger and you will have all you desire.

Just STFO and stop mourning for the days alcohol wasn't banned in Pakistan. This writer certainly is under influence as he is stuck in 70s.

 

[Donatello]

For a nation of tax evaders???

Let local brewery companies produce more, and tax them on sales. Like we do on packaged foods, coca cola etc.
Should be like VAT.
For imported Alcohol it would difficult, but tax the dealers who import them.

 

[livingdead]

Nadeem Paracha is one of the most idiotic writers. Give him anything to flog Pakistan and Islam. He starts and ends with alcohol.

If alcohol is publicly banned in Pakistan, tell me who does not get to drink who wants to drink? Consuming alcohol in public isn't a sign of freedom and liberalism. You want to drink? call a bootlegger and you will have all you desire.

Just STFO and stop mourning for the days alcohol wasn't banned in Pakistan. This writer certainly is under influence as he is stuck in 70s.

nobody is arguing to consume in public.
Consumption in public is banned here too.

 

[ranjeet]

Wow, that's pretty ridiculous! After consuming sugar, I can drive just fine, walk in a straight line, not abuse my wife, and not spend every penny earned on obtaining more sugar.

Wow didn't knew ONLY drunk men beat their wives !!!!

 

[Counter-Errorist]

Wow didn't knew ONLY drunk men beat their wives !!!!

No, but drunk men are more likely to beat their wives.

Alcohol consumption, especially at harmful and hazardous levels is a major contributor to the occurrance of intimate partner violence and the link between the two are manifold.

http://www.who.int/violence_injury_prevention/violence/world_report/factsheets/ft_intimate.pdf

 

[jatt+gutts]

No, but drunk men are more likely to beat their wives.



http://www.who.int/violence_injury_prevention/violence/world_report/factsheets/ft_intimate.pdf

did you ever got drunk ?

 

[joekrish]

Wow, that's pretty ridiculous! After consuming sugar, I can drive just fine, walk in a straight line, not abuse my wife, and not spend every penny earned on obtaining more sugar.

I can do all that with two pegs although one has to agree It is no comparison, the point I am trying to make here is even too much of nectar is bad.

 

[pak-marine]

if alcohol is unbaned half of pakistans suicidal terrorist attacks will stop. terrorists will find some ways to have fun too and wont get bored by their life on planet earth and try to go to heaven for wine and women

exactly my thoughts let those sucidals retards get drunk , they will loosen up a little and who knows may be able to approach the women so that the quest for having sex with virgins ends in this world