Alcohol in Pakistan: The prohibition and after

[Counter-Errorist]

There are Indian states like Gujrat who have banned alcohol. All it promotes is liquor mafia and goons who join politics later.
Also gujrat loses billions in tax revenue. All because MK Gandhi wanted prohibition, so its a taboo subject there.
When people take emotional rather than rational decision, you end up with suffering, no matter how well meaning you might be.

I never really liked this line of argument. Selling humans is illegal. But it promotes child trafficking mafia. So make selling humans legal? Imagine the tax revenue generated from slave trade man!

 

[Backbencher]

Men in Muslim countries must be mummies boy..........I mean you're an educated sensible adult and you still follow the rules made for you 2000 years ago .
While in India my Muslim friends used to consume more alcohol than me .

 

[livingdead]

I never really liked this line of argument. Selling humans is illegal. But it promotes child trafficking mafia. So make selling humans legal? Imagine the tax revenue generated from slave trade man!

I did not say that is the sole reason which should drive our decision. I wanted to imply this is one of the factors we need to keep in mind if we need to decide which is worst.
I refuse to think alcohol is so bad that it requres banning.And banning does more bad than good it is supposed to do.
disclosure: I am an interested party, I drink alcohol.

People here club alcohol with hard drugs, some even call it poison. Is it so? really?

 

[Counter-Errorist]

I did not say that is the sole reason which should drive our decision. I wanted to imply this is one of the factors we need to keep in mind if we need to decide which is worst.
I refuse to think alcohol is so bad that it requres banning.
disclosure: I am an interested party, I drink alcohol.

Well, you agree that alcohol is at least somewhat bad. Now, try and convince me why it's good enough to warrant full legalization.

 

[SQ8]

Just because the government is incompetent in executing laws, does not mean it should stop trying. Keep trying till we get better at it. If there is a problem in the machinery, then fix the machinery.

Good, now you are thinking correctly. Who fixes the machinery? The Law drunkards, the political drunkards,the military drunkards or the Mullah Drunkards?

 

[pak-marine]

So there are more alcohol shops than pan shops in Karachi? I've been spent about 3 years in Karachi so far, and I've yet to come across one. Though I've heard about them plenty.

there are gazillion pan shops in every square meter of karachi city .. no match between pan and alcohol mate. Have you ever see a offlicense alcohal shop in karachi. They are made as they are invisible , in congested markets made not to be seen also no marketing allowed make them unseen

 

[livingdead]

Well, you agree that alcohol is at least somewhat bad. Now, try and convince me why it's good enough to warrant full legalization.

I think you need to convince me why banning is good because clearly it does not work. Everybody have access to it anyway except poor who die drinking illegal liquor.

By allowing its selling, you can keep it under control, get money out of it which can fund better law and order.
Vast majority drink responsibly, and fund you get from tax can easily take care of those who abuse it.

 

[Counter-Errorist]

there are gazillion pan shops in every square meter of karachi city

Why is my meter not as big as your meter?! =)

Anyway, my implication was that you need to avoid over-exaggeration to make your point seem plausible.

 

[joekrish]

Well, you agree that alcohol is at least somewhat bad. Now, try and convince me why it's good enough to warrant full legalization.

Alcohol is as bad as suger is just to give an example.

 

[Imran Khan]

We need a malt march in pakistan.
All alcohol drinkers, unite, and lets fight for our rights led by @Imran Khan

my foot law pakistani LAWs are biggest jokes on earth .

 

[Counter-Errorist]

I think you need to convince me why banning is good because clearly it does not work. Everybody have access to it anyway except poor who die drinking illegal liquor.

You already know why it should be banned. It's bad, as you'd agreed. Now when you say banning doesn't work, you're right as it doesn't work in its current state. And that's because our government has not fully embraced the ban. They allow sales to happen. They could start enforcing the ban more forcefully. And supplement the ban with education about its harms and setup rehabs for addicts.

 

[Developereo]

Vast majority drink responsibly, and fund you get from tax can easily take care of those who abuse it.

Not so in Australia.

The societal costs of alcohol misuse in Australia

Despite taking a conservative estimate, the aggregate of a range of societal costs substantially outweighs the tax revenue for the Commonwealth generated from the sale of alcohol.

I doubt the numbers would be any better in less developed countries where alcohol awareness programs are little to non-existent.

 

[Counter-Errorist]

Alcohol is as bad as suger is just to give an example.

Wow, that's pretty ridiculous! After consuming sugar, I can drive just fine, walk in a straight line, not abuse my wife, and not spend every penny earned on obtaining more sugar.

 

[Armstrong]

Good, now you are thinking correctly. Who fixes the machinery? The Law drunkards, the political drunkards,the military drunkards or the Mullah Drunkards?

But that applies to everything doesn't it ?

A general breakdown of the system means that whatever laws you make the Elite would circumvent them with absolute ease anyhow !

So why make them ? Why have a law against Murder when we've got Jattaois a dime-a-dozen in Pakistan ?

Why ban drugs when we all know that it is likely that there are those who've got everyone from the Police Constable to the Secretary of that Ministry sniffing hereon with them at the end of business ?

 

[livingdead]

You already know why it should be banned. It's bad, as you'd agreed. Now when you say banning doesn't work, you're right as it doesn't work in its current state. And that's because our government has not fully embraced the ban. They allow sales to happen. They could start enforcing the ban more forcefully. And supplement the ban with education about its harms and setup rehabs for addicts.

I think you got me wrong there. When I said bad, I meant it is open to abuse by some people. Responsible drinking of alcohol is not bad and in some cases might be good for your health.

Your govt has not banned based on social or health ground, but on religious ground.
If you allow minorities to drink, you can never stop the access to majority, even with the best law and order system