Al-Khalid tank (Type 90-IIM / MBT-2000) Information Pool

[Dazzler]

Fail to understand what has this got to do with the fact that your previous claim about Chinese AFSPS achieving upto 800mm and 960mm RHA penetration at 2000m.... you give me the link from another forum where the senior armor guys have been saying the same as BS... even the Chinese members supporting them.

I know about the 140mm Chinese gun, 120mm Chinese gun, 125mm Chinese gun aswell as 155mm Chinese gun.. what are you trying to show me here ?

ever since I have come to this thread you've been running around circles.
1st with Nozh ERA and then with Al Khalid armor level and then with Kombat CLATGM and now with Chinese AFSPDS...

Take your time reading the comments by the members on the thread you gave as source... I am surprised as you advocate others to read and don't read yourself... Damian90 is a good member at tanknet and ***.

Chinese Military Photos（new thread） - Page 52

I cannot be right everywhere but here you are wrong... like you were with Nozh ERA on Al Khalid/T-80UD, 750mm Armor on Al Khalid, auto-loader not being able to load Kombat CLATGM.

Plus the new NATO gun is the L55 which is 55 cal. length and not 52... besides NATO 105mm aswell as 120mm does fire LAHAT CLATGM and the your whole quoted part talks about superiority of NATO guns and their single piece ammo... and how ZTZ-98 is inferior to them.... which somehow in some blizzard circumstances are able to perform better than those NATO gun... according to you.

You seem to be one of a kind simply because you argue on every piece of information provided in a thread which has a name, "information pool". This information is not made up by me or anyone.

Sigh!!

 

[farhan_9909]

seems like the new round displayed in the soft launch of ideas expo is slightly longer than the older naiza round
soft launch ideas def expo march 2012

Ideas def expo 2002(picture)

 

[mylovepakistan]

Asian Defense: IDEAS 2012: Pakistan, China to market Al-Khalid tank together

 

[fatman17]

Pakistan unveils upgraded Al-Khalid tank, APC:


Gordon Arthur, Karachi, Pakistan Section:

2012-Nov-14


An improved Al-Khalid main battle tank (MBT) and an upgraded armoured personnel carrier (APC) were among the armoured vehicles displayed by Pakistan's state-owned Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT) at the seventh International Defence Exhibition and Seminar (IDEAS) in Karachi.

The Al-Khalid, a product of Chinese and Pakistani co-operation, is currently being marketed overseas by China as the MBT-2000 without Pakistani permission, an HIT spokesman stated . On 8 November HIT moved to close this loophole by signing a memorandum of understanding (MoU) on Al-Khalid exports with Chinese firm Norinco.

An Al-Khalid main battle tank, the premium product of Heavy Industries Taxila, on display at IDEAS 2012. (Gordon Arthur) The MoU arranges for joint marketing and profit sharing between the two partners, as well as ongoing technology transfer. Potential export markets for the Al-Khalid include Bangladesh, Bhutan, Sri Lanka and the Middle East, said the spokesman, who nonetheless acknowledged that it is competing in a very challenging market.

More than 300 of the 46-tonne MBTs have entered Pakistan Army service since 2001 - the first 215 of which were fitted with a Ukrainian engine. Meanwhile, a senior official at Ministry of Defence Procurement said an improved version is nearing induction that will feature a more powerful diesel power pack, improved command and control and better night-fighting capabilities. HIT manufactures around 20 Al-Khalid tanks a year and also produces the Al-Zarrar MBT. A spokesman said HIT has no intention of marketing the latter internationally, adding that its lesser capabilities render it uncompetitive.

HIT also exhibited an improved Talha APC that Qasim Ijaz Cheema, an HIT marketing manager, said had been developed in response to an army request.

HIT has developed the Talha M113P with a cupola and angled add-on armour suite that offers higher protection levels. (Gordon Arthur) The 11.2-tonne Talha is based on the US Combat Systems M113A2/M113A3 series and is often referred to as the M113P. It features a modular armour package consisting of Kevlar sandwiched between steel on the outside and aluminium on the inside and a 1,375 kg bolt-on armour package that can resist 12.7 mm rounds. The M113P, which is armed with a rotating cupola mounting a heavy machine gun and powered by a 275 hp engine, has been sold to Iraq and is also available in a longer version.

Cheema said the Talha and Al-Khalid upgrades reflected HIT's current focus on improving and up-armouring existing products suitable for the type of internal defence duties the armed forces are currently engaged in, rather than developing new vehicle designs.

HIT also displayed three Muhafiz 4x4 armoured vehicle variants in service with Pakistani police, ranger and army units, including the latest 3,200 kg Muhafiz III security vehicle fitted with a remote-controlled weapon system. The latest version is based on a Toyota Land Cruiser chassis and is capable of 120 km/h on roads. The indigenously designed Muhafiz has already won sales to Bangladesh, Iraq and Sri Lanka.

JDW

 

[hari sud]

Here is opinion published by "Strategy Page" about Al Khalid tank

The Pride Of Pakistan Gets No Respect

November 30, 2012: China has agreed to help Pakistan find export customers for its Al Khalid tank. Pakistan developed this tank with Chinese help and began equipping Pakistani Army units with it back in 2001. But export sales have been scarce. Only Sri Lanka agreed to buy, and only 22 tanks and that deal has yet to be finalized. Meanwhile China has sold several hundred of its version of the Al Khalid (the MBT-2000) to Morocco and Bangladesh.
It wasn’t supposed to work out this way. Pakistan, after all, has more recent experience in mechanized warfare. In fact, China has not fought a major campaign in over fifty years, and only two minor ones (mountain warfare with India in the 1960s, and some border battles in the jungles with Vietnam in 1979). China has done some air and naval skirmishing with the Taiwanese, but nothing as intense as what the Pakistanis have gone through as recently as 1999 (another mountain battle, with India). China has more money and industrial infrastructure than Pakistan, and this has helped Pakistan build up its military-industrial capabilities.

Back in the 1980s, when the two countries began this co-production deal, apparently they believed that Pakistan's stature in the Moslem world would provide a marketing advantage. Alas, the end of the Cold War, plus the spectacular performance of U.S. weapons in the 1991 Gulf War, made "cheap and simple" a much harder sell, especially if it was based on Russian designs. The end result is that China is getting some more arms exports because it is better at making sales. Pakistan has not been a total loser as they have been able to build up its arms production capability.

Meanwhile China is now offering a new tank, the MBT 3000, for export. The Chinese Army will begin receiving the MBT 3000 in two years. The 3000 appears to be a MBT 2000 with a slightly more powerful engine, more armor, improved suspension and running gear, and better electronics. While none of the individual changes is radical or greatly improved over MBT 2000, the total number of improvements is substantial.

The Chinese MBT 2000 (also known as the VT1A) tank is an export model of the Chinese Type 98/99. The MBT 2000 also looks similar to the Type 90/Al Khalid. The Type 98/99/90/MBT-2000 vehicles are all "improved T-72s." There were lots of improvements, though many of them similar to what's found in the Russian T-80UM2. The workmanship on these vehicles is a little better than on the T-80UM2 but the Chinese don't have as much experience building tanks. This has shown itself in the numerous technical glitches that have shown up.

The basic T-72 design has been around for over 30 years and has proved reliable, although not particularly effective on the battlefield. That was mostly due to poor crews. The Chinese have moved to volunteer crews and more intensive training, which make any tank more effective. The MBT 2000 is a 49 ton tank with a 125mm gun and a three man crew (plus an autoloader). The MBT 3000 weight only goes up to 51 tons but overall performance and reliability is greatly improved.


Armor: The Pride Of Pakistan Gets No Respect

 

[farhan_9909]

Pakistan unveils upgraded Al-Khalid tank, APC:


Gordon Arthur, Karachi, Pakistan Section:

2012-Nov-14


An improved Al-Khalid main battle tank (MBT) and an upgraded armoured personnel carrier (APC) were among the armoured vehicles displayed by Pakistan's state-owned Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT) at the seventh International Defence Exhibition and Seminar (IDEAS) in Karachi.

The Al-Khalid, a product of Chinese and Pakistani co-operation, is currently being marketed overseas by China as the MBT-2000 without Pakistani permission, an HIT spokesman stated . On 8 November HIT moved to close this loophole by signing a memorandum of understanding (MoU) on Al-Khalid exports with Chinese firm Norinco.

An Al-Khalid main battle tank, the premium product of Heavy Industries Taxila, on display at IDEAS 2012. (Gordon Arthur) The MoU arranges for joint marketing and profit sharing between the two partners, as well as ongoing technology transfer. Potential export markets for the Al-Khalid include Bangladesh, Bhutan, Sri Lanka and the Middle East, said the spokesman, who nonetheless acknowledged that it is competing in a very challenging market.

More than 300 of the 46-tonne MBTs have entered Pakistan Army service since 2001 - the first 215 of which were fitted with a Ukrainian engine. Meanwhile, a senior official at Ministry of Defence Procurement said an improved version is nearing induction that will feature a more powerful diesel power pack, improved command and control and better night-fighting capabilities. HIT manufactures around 20 Al-Khalid tanks a year and also produces the Al-Zarrar MBT. A spokesman said HIT has no intention of marketing the latter internationally, adding that its lesser capabilities render it uncompetitive.

HIT also exhibited an improved Talha APC that Qasim Ijaz Cheema, an HIT marketing manager, said had been developed in response to an army request.

HIT has developed the Talha M113P with a cupola and angled add-on armour suite that offers higher protection levels. (Gordon Arthur) The 11.2-tonne Talha is based on the US Combat Systems M113A2/M113A3 series and is often referred to as the M113P. It features a modular armour package consisting of Kevlar sandwiched between steel on the outside and aluminium on the inside and a 1,375 kg bolt-on armour package that can resist 12.7 mm rounds. The M113P, which is armed with a rotating cupola mounting a heavy machine gun and powered by a 275 hp engine, has been sold to Iraq and is also available in a longer version.

Cheema said the Talha and Al-Khalid upgrades reflected HIT's current focus on improving and up-armouring existing products suitable for the type of internal defence duties the armed forces are currently engaged in, rather than developing new vehicle designs.

HIT also displayed three Muhafiz 4x4 armoured vehicle variants in service with Pakistani police, ranger and army units, including the latest 3,200 kg Muhafiz III security vehicle fitted with a remote-controlled weapon system. The latest version is based on a Toyota Land Cruiser chassis and is capable of 120 km/h on roads. The indigenously designed Muhafiz has already won sales to Bangladesh, Iraq and Sri Lanka.

JDW

more powerful engine and only first 215 were fitted with Ukraine engine
Does it mean that even the al khalid 1 will have a more powerfull engine

 

[farhan_9909]

any idea about the above piece of info

upgraded engine for AK1?

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

any idea about the above piece of info

upgraded engine for AK1?

maybe it will be a chinese or another Ukrainian engine

 

[farhan_9909]

good if more powerfull engine
but even the 1200hp was sufficient

but the improve engine suggest that not just 2tonnes but even more than this weight of AK1 is increased

 

[farhan_9909]

 

[Tehmasib]

 

[farhan_9909]

This is t-80UD

 

[Manticore]

Any updates guys ? I have not searched on the subject for quite some time


http://i.imgur.com/5e2My.jpg

 

[Manticore]

BMS

Category : Integrated Battle Field Management System (IBMS)

some picture links have become dead -- please upload them if you have saved them on your hard drive


gids ibms pics are dead .. i've uploaded one from my hard drive


http://www.gids.com.pk/gimages/ibms2.jpg
http://www.gids.com.pk/gimages/ibms4.jpg
http://www.gids.com.pk/gimages/ibms3.jpg

I am not asking for members to post every ak pic thay can think of .. for that you have a thread present in multi media section





Solid State Autoloader
http://www.carepvtltd.com/Electronics/cms.php?id=Solid_State_Autoloader

 

[farhan_9909]

so what is the status?

the above news by sir fatman indicates that AK1 is yet to enter service

and has a upgraded engine and fcs/tm upgrades.

what about this?