Al-Khalid tank (Type 90-IIM / MBT-2000) Information Pool

[farhan_9909]

SO it also means that inspite of Autoloader even without the bustle autoloader
we can load long rod penetrator bt at a slow rate of 2-3/min

i guess this was the reason tank designer syed ali Muhammad said AK1 also has the capability of firing long rod penetrator

damns this is awesome

 

[alimobin memon]

nOBODY ANSWERED MY QUESTION GOING BACK TO THREAD IS NOT HELPING ... WHAT IS THE ACTUALL THICKNESS OF ARMOUR OF ALKHALID AND ITS GUNS POWER OF PENETRATING ARMOUR...

 

[Last Hope]

nOBODY ANSWERED MY QUESTION GOING BACK TO THREAD IS NOT HELPING ... WHAT IS THE ACTUALL THICKNESS OF ARMOUR OF ALKHALID AND ITS GUNS POWER OF PENETRATING ARMOUR...

Thickness of armor? I don't know, ask Nabil. But it's good enough!
As for the power of it's guns, it's a 125mm and rest depends on the shell you fire.
Recent test has penetrated a 620mm steel blocks.

 

[DARKY]

2-3 rounds a minute is not bad, only done when necessary.

We are talking of the main anti-tank ammo which is the AFSPDS... 2-3 have little or no significance... even If you consider M289A3 rounds which are almost 1m.

It better to have the auto-loader working for smaller two piece rounds which can provide rapid fire and not compromise with performance.

Or work on single piece ammo.... or a bigger turret for two piece types in an auto-loader.

 

[farhan_9909]

nOBODY ANSWERED MY QUESTION GOING BACK TO THREAD IS NOT HELPING ... WHAT IS THE ACTUALL THICKNESS OF ARMOUR OF ALKHALID AND ITS GUNS POWER OF PENETRATING ARMOUR...

such info is kept classified throughout the world

no exact figure is actually revealed

though this guy has collected some info directly from sites like tank.net and related sites

Tank Protection Levels

it will clear some of your doubts
bt you should remember that the exact figure is never ever released and is kept classified usually

 

[farhan_9909]

i guess HIT should get such one from turkey or develop locally
because rcws is more of standard in all the latest MBT across the world

Aselsan Sarp

 

[Dazzler]

nOBODY ANSWERED MY QUESTION GOING BACK TO THREAD IS NOT HELPING ... WHAT IS THE ACTUALL THICKNESS OF ARMOUR OF ALKHALID AND ITS GUNS POWER OF PENETRATING ARMOUR...

Actual thickness is never published, all we can do is guess, my guess for baseline AK is between 650-780 mm on turret front without ERA. Gun is better than T-80ud version both in terms of quality (barrel life is 1200 rounds) and penetration. Again, these parameters are classified, we can just guess.


Good read on Russian guns..

http://fofanov.armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/ARM/2a46.html

 

[Dazzler]

Here is some info on the ZPT-98 gun used on the earlier model, improved local version with inputs from Ukraine is used on AK variants though.


type-98 is armed with a ZPT-98 125mm smoothbore gun with a length-diameter ratio of 50:1. the barrel is made of high-intensity PCrN13NoV, muzzle energy is 45% higher than the russian 2A46M-1 type 125mm gun, 30% higher than RH-120 type 120mm gun on leo2A5 and M1A1/A2. hydraulic self-strengthening technology has resulted in a much stiffer barrel, the length is 6,412mm, it has a lifetime of 700 armor-pieceing rounds. the thermal sleeve is of a double aluminium plate structure with air gap, it consist of 5 non-interchangeble parts, its effective rate is 70%. ZPT-98 can be replaced on battlefield within 1 hr.

ammunition rounds used by type-98 include tungsten-uranium alloy APFSDS round using semi-combustble casing, FS-HEAT-FRG round and FS-MP-HESH round. a total of 41 rounds were carried, 22 stored within the autoloader. when firing third generation tungsten alloy APFSDS(initial velocity 1,780m/sec), it could penetrate 850mm RHA at a distance of 2,000m. the latest special alloy armor-pieceing round can penetrate up to 960mm, the rod penetrator's length-diameter ratio is 30:1. the FS-MP-HESH is of a high-explosive type with extra explosive material packed inside. in addition, type-98 is armed with a laser-guided gun-launched missile system based on the russian 9K119(AT-11). the 9M119 warhead could penetrate 700mmRHA. type-98 is armed with 4 such missile under normal circumstance. the autoloader onboard the type-98 is based on a russian design, loading time for a single round is 8 seconds, test shows the autoloader has a interval breakdown rate of 3%. the ZPT-98 gun has maximum firing speed of 8 rounds per minute, the speed drops to 1-2 round per minute when its being manually operated.

 

[DARKY]

Here is some info on the ZPT-98 gun used on the earlier model, improved local version with inputs from Ukraine is used on AK variants though.


type-98 is armed with a ZPT-98 125mm smoothbore gun with a length-diameter ratio of 50:1. the barrel is made of high-intensity PCrN13NoV, muzzle energy is 45% higher than the russian 2A46M-1 type 125mm gun, 30% higher than RH-120 type 120mm gun on leo2A5 and M1A1/A2. hydraulic self-strengthening technology has resulted in a much stiffer barrel, the length is 6,412mm, it has a lifetime of 700 armor-pieceing rounds. the thermal sleeve is of a double aluminium plate structure with air gap, it consist of 5 non-interchangeble parts, its effective rate is 70%. ZPT-98 can be replaced on battlefield within 1 hr.

ammunition rounds used by type-98 include tungsten-uranium alloy APFSDS round using semi-combustble casing, FS-HEAT-FRG round and FS-MP-HESH round. a total of 41 rounds were carried, 22 stored within the autoloader. when firing third generation tungsten alloy APFSDS(initial velocity 1,780m/sec), it could penetrate 850mm RHA at a distance of 2,000m. the latest special alloy armor-pieceing round can penetrate up to 960mm, the rod penetrator's length-diameter ratio is 30:1. the FS-MP-HESH is of a high-explosive type with extra explosive material packed inside. in addition, type-98 is armed with a laser-guided gun-launched missile system based on the russian 9K119(AT-11). the 9M119 warhead could penetrate 700mmRHA. type-98 is armed with 4 such missile under normal circumstance. the autoloader onboard the type-98 is based on a russian design, loading time for a single round is 8 seconds, test shows the autoloader has a interval breakdown rate of 3%. the ZPT-98 gun has maximum firing speed of 8 rounds per minute, the speed drops to 1-2 round per minute when its being manually operated.

clearly over hyped... none of the two piece ammo can have such level of penetration until we're on moon or mars.

Even single piece long rods like DM-63 when fired from L55(which is the most powerful tank gun in use) can only achieve upto 700-750mm RHA penetration at 2000m.

Only round which is capable of achieving such levels of penetration is M289A3 which is about 980mm long and is the thickest and heaviest around.

The Chinese rounds don't even have such capability at point blank ranges... even the latest Russian DU the BM-48 Svinets can only achieve 600-650mm penetration at 2000mm from the latest Russian 125mm guns which have much higher level of chamber pressure than any existing Chinese gun.

 

[Dazzler]

you need to read alot and talk less. I can give you plenty if you are willing to read.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

you need to read alot and talk less. I can give you plenty if you are willing to read.

jnab tank master sahab ab so jain 4 baj gae hain suba kay!

 

[Umair Nawaz]

you need to read alot and talk less. I can give you plenty if you are willing to read.

jnab tank master sahab ab so jain 4 baj gae hain suba kay!

 

[DARKY]

you need to read alot and talk less. I can give you plenty if you are willing to read.

That's the problem with you... you read too much and don't use your brain.... here you can use this simple formula.

Penetration(in mm) = L(1.044 x V(km/sec) - 0.194 x Ln(L/D) - 0.212) x (1+(D/6.5 x .05)) x (Penetrator Material Modifier) + 1.2 x d (2.4 x D for 60deg).

L--> actual length of penetrating rod.
D--> diameter of penetrating rod.
V-->muzzle velocity

[Note: You must put in the velocity of the round at 2000 meter of obtain the penetration figures at such distance.]

 

[Dazzler]

That's the problem with you... you read too much and don't use your brain.... here you can use this simple formula.

Penetration(in mm) = L(1.044 x V(km/sec) - 0.194 x Ln(L/D) - 0.212) x (1+(D/6.5 x .05)) x (Penetrator Material Modifier) + 1.2 x d (2.4 x D for 60deg).

L--> actual length of penetrating rod.
D--> diameter of penetrating rod.
V-->muzzle velocity

[Note: You must put in the velocity of the round at 2000 meter of obtain the penetration figures at such distance.]

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Tianrens' Blog: ZPT-98

"According to the article on the ZPT-98 125mm tank gun, the ZPT-98 is a development of the Soviet 2A46M Type-1 125mm tank gun. Is has 25% greater accuracy than the Soviet gun Section 3: Weapon System), and is capable on on-the-move 100% accuracy at 2,000 meters (Section 4: Fire Control System). The Fire Control System has a viewing range of 7,000 to 9,000 metres, can detect targets at 4,000 metres, and identify targets at 3,100 metres (Section 5: Night Vision System).

Still, DongFeng is correct, as confirmed by the article, when he says that the ZPT-98 is a development of the Soviet 125mm. It still uses the Russian 9K119Refleks Tank gun launched ATGM with a range of 4,000 metres (4 missiles per PLA tank armed with ZPT-98), which is the maximum target detection range for the Night Vision System slaved to the Fire Control System developed for the ZPT-98. As is, with 25% greater accuracy over the Russian 125mm (1,600-1,800m), the ZPT-98 therefore has a maximum effective range with sabot of up to 2,250 metres. The PLA tests confirm 100% accuracy on the move at 2,000 metres.

There remains a considerable gap between the 2,250 metres effective range of the ZPT-98 125mm gun and the (offically aknowledged) 3,200 metre effective range of the 120mmL44 used by many Western countries, never mind the improved 52 calbire versions recently entering service. In "The Generals' War" by Michael R. Gordon and Lt.Gen Bernard E. Trainor (USMC ret.), there are accounts of the 24th Infantry Division (Mechanized) M-1A1 tank crews destroying Iraqi Republican Guard T-72s and T-55s at ranges of 3 miles (4,800 metres) as the Iraqis made for the al-Hammar Causeway over the Euphrates River, west of Basra in the 1991 Gulf War. Clearly, given the 2,250 metre effective range of sabot rounds for the ZPT-98, the 4,000 metre range of the 9K119 Refeks ATGM is tactically necessary to narrow the gap. The performance of the NATO 105mm and 120mm tank guns has (so far) negated any need for them to resort to gun-launched ATGM.

As for the Chinese 120mm, it was built under license from Oerlikon. As you know, the PLA installed it on various prototypes, but it was never adopted for general service by the PLA, but offered for export."

Everyone, but you, cant be wrong

 

[DARKY]

Chinese Military Photos（new thread） - Page 52

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Tianrens' Blog: ZPT-98

"According to the article on the ZPT-98 125mm tank gun, the ZPT-98 is a development of the Soviet 2A46M Type-1 125mm tank gun. Is has 25% greater accuracy than the Soviet gun Section 3: Weapon System), and is capable on on-the-move 100% accuracy at 2,000 meters (Section 4: Fire Control System). The Fire Control System has a viewing range of 7,000 to 9,000 metres, can detect targets at 4,000 metres, and identify targets at 3,100 metres (Section 5: Night Vision System).

Still, DongFeng is correct, as confirmed by the article, when he says that the ZPT-98 is a development of the Soviet 125mm. It still uses the Russian 9K119Refleks Tank gun launched ATGM with a range of 4,000 metres (4 missiles per PLA tank armed with ZPT-98), which is the maximum target detection range for the Night Vision System slaved to the Fire Control System developed for the ZPT-98. As is, with 25% greater accuracy over the Russian 125mm (1,600-1,800m), the ZPT-98 therefore has a maximum effective range with sabot of up to 2,250 metres. The PLA tests confirm 100% accuracy on the move at 2,000 metres.

There remains a considerable gap between the 2,250 metres effective range of the ZPT-98 125mm gun and the (offically aknowledged) 3,200 metre effective range of the 120mmL44 used by many Western countries, never mind the improved 52 calbire versions recently entering service. In "The Generals' War" by Michael R. Gordon and Lt.Gen Bernard E. Trainor (USMC ret.), there are accounts of the 24th Infantry Division (Mechanized) M-1A1 tank crews destroying Iraqi Republican Guard T-72s and T-55s at ranges of 3 miles (4,800 metres) as the Iraqis made for the al-Hammar Causeway over the Euphrates River, west of Basra in the 1991 Gulf War. Clearly, given the 2,250 metre effective range of sabot rounds for the ZPT-98, the 4,000 metre range of the 9K119 Refeks ATGM is tactically necessary to narrow the gap. The performance of the NATO 105mm and 120mm tank guns has (so far) negated any need for them to resort to gun-launched ATGM.

As for the Chinese 120mm, it was built under license from Oerlikon. As you know, the PLA installed it on various prototypes, but it was never adopted for general service by the PLA, but offered for export."

Everyone, but you, cant be wrong

Fail to understand what has this got to do with the fact that your previous claim about Chinese AFSPS achieving upto 800mm and 960mm RHA penetration at 2000m.... you give me the link from another forum where the senior armor guys have been saying the same as BS... even the Chinese members supporting them.

I know about the 140mm Chinese gun, 120mm Chinese gun, 125mm Chinese gun aswell as 155mm Chinese gun.. what are you trying to show me here ?

ever since I have come to this thread you've been running around circles.
1st with Nozh ERA and then with Al Khalid armor level and then with Kombat CLATGM and now with Chinese AFSPDS...

Take your time reading the comments by the members on the thread you gave as source... I am surprised as you advocate others to read and don't read yourself... Damian90 is a good member at tanknet and ***.

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I cannot be right everywhere but here you are wrong... like you were with Nozh ERA on Al Khalid/T-80UD, 750mm Armor on Al Khalid, auto-loader not being able to load Kombat CLATGM.

Plus the new NATO gun is the L55 which is 55 cal. length and not 52... besides NATO 105mm aswell as 120mm does fire LAHAT CLATGM and the your whole quoted part talks about superiority of NATO guns and their single piece ammo... and how ZTZ-98 is inferior to them.... which somehow in some blizzard circumstances are able to perform better than those NATO gun... according to you.