Al-Khalid tank (Type 90-IIM / MBT-2000) Information Pool

[alimobin memon]

Hi, not to get personal, but are you an expert in tank design? You seem to be great at critiquing stuff. Is your background engineering, more specifically in armoured vehicle design?

I have visited Taxila and the tank rebuilding plant; Pakistan builds the best stuff, within what its limited resouces allow it to.

MBT 3000 is an improved variant of mbt 2000's export variant VT1-A ... I think you didn't got my point. Incorporating ERA on tank is an extra bricks to provide excellent protection but if whole tank is equipped with ERA it sometimes gets dangerous at the rear especially because it reacts with an blast in opposite direction of coming projectile even if projectile is not powerful it will react with ERA . at the other hand Tandem round like RPG 29 they have two stages to work. First stage destroy's ERA as ERA one's reacted ,that era brick gets weakened, the other stage of RPG 29 tandem round penetrates the primary armour, so for example M1A2 tank firing tandem on T-72 fully ERA protected is useless cause first stage of M1 tank will destroy which is weak part of round . The second stage wipes the tanks ASSSS . So I am saying is all tanks have ERA on their whole body in almost top 12 militaries, Real protection is whether alkhalid, Arjun or others have a good main armour inside so that it can withstand the round of tandem... FYI Alkhalid has a good main armour.

 

[Arsalan]

so the present
i meant the indigenous main gun is 50 cal.?

any picture of AK or AK1 with massive era

hello brother,
yes, the indigenous main gun, being made in HMC is 0.50 cal. visited HMC this Saturday.

Al-Khalid Tank ERA:

no i want the picture of AORAK era on AK

or any bt the tank should be in service with PA

the turret of this new mbt-3000 looks good

expecting such or atlay kinda turret on.AK2

Alkhalid Tank turret without ERA, it have slanted front section and low profile

regards!

 

[Desert Fox]

Is this the MBT 3000??

 

[POST_HUMAN_WAR]

Is this the MBT 3000??

Yes

 

[VelocuR]

Is this the MBT 3000??

http://www.defence.pk/forums/chines...layed-new-mbt-3000-tank-eurosatory-event.html

It doesn't look difference from MBT 2000/Al Khalid.

 

[Desert Fox]

http://www.defence.pk/forums/chines...layed-new-mbt-3000-tank-eurosatory-event.html

It doesn't look difference from MBT 2000/Al Khalid.

The difference is that its ERA is in block casings that form a modular type armor, much like the Leopard 2A7's.

 

[alimobin memon]

The difference is that its ERA is in block casings that form a modular type armor, much like the Leopard 2A7's.

The major differences are ERA block casing and 1300 hp engine... Alkhalid armour has been improved than mbt 2000 , vt1A and original alkhalid .... Alkhalid 1 in pakistan army is already inducted in good numbers i dont know why we dont find the info on AK1

 

[Dazzler]

uncooled thermal imager is a weakness in MBT 3000, much like previous Chinese MBTS, due a lack of proper cooling mechanism, it fails to work properly under extreme temperatures, original M-1 abramhad an uncooled imager which gave poor results in Thar region. Otherwise it is an efficient improvement over basic VT-1A.....

Cooled versus uncooled - thermal imaging cameras for long-range surveillance | Security News - SourceSecurity.com

 

[alimobin memon]

uncooled thermal imager is a weakness in MBT 3000, much like previous Chinese MBTS, due a lack of proper cooling mechanism, it fails to work properly under extreme temperatures, M-1 has an uncooled imager which gave poor results in Thar region. Otherwise it is an efficient improvement over basic VT-1A.....

Cooled versus uncooled - thermal imaging cameras for long-range surveillance | Security News - SourceSecurity.com

does pakistan's alkhalid have cooled thermal imager?

 

[Dazzler]

does pakistan's alkhalid have cooled thermal imager?

Not only cooled, but high quality thermal imagers

2nd generation cooled TI= Catherine FC, Thetis (AK, AZ, T-85, T-80ud)

3rd generation cooled TI= Sagem Matis (AK, AK-1)

 

[Dazzler]

Nabil, I have no idea what half of the things on this thread are and the other half I probably only heard so a noob question if you will : Is the Al-Khalid capable enough to stand her ground against some of the best Tanks out there ? And by best I'm talking about the Merkavas, the A1A2s, the T-90s, the Leo 2s ! Or are such comparisons ludicrous and that a Tank's effectiveness is determined by certain other dynamics - area of operations and the sort ?

And 2) Have the Chinese inducted anything into their MBTs by the improvements that our boys came up with when customizing the MBT-2000 into the Al-Khalids for us ?

Hunter Killer system is a capability that allows an mbt to look around 360 degree battlefield and track and engage enemy on earliest basis. This technology has been the focal point in modern western MBT philosophy and today all modern western, some easternbts have this capability. Soviet/ Russian and even early Ukrainian mbts lacked this function. T-72, T-80 and even T-90S does not have this but Chinese T-98/99 series DO have it. Hunter Killer consists of independent commander and gunner thermal imagers, laser range finders, and an auto tracking facility. This capability is further aided with an advanced Battle Management System, allowing the tank crew a more comprehensive battlefield awareness.

Regarding engaging Merks, M1A2s, i do not see any reason why AK cannot engage them with efficient HK and day night capabiliity with a powerful gun and ammunition, not to mention the missile firing ability with tandem warheads. This is why it is so important to see first-engage first and where panoramic sight and HK comes in to equation.

Chinese have been impressed by our thermal imager integration, efficient 6td2 engine and auto transmission, and BMS integration so early and they have opted for the same in their new 99A, 99B series, MBT 3000 series.

MBTs with Hunter Killer function:

AK, AK-1 series (PAK)
Oplot, T-84U series (Ukraine)
M1A2 series (US)
Challenger2 series (UK)
Merkava 3, 4 series (Israel)
Leopard 2A,4,5,6 series (Germany)
Type-90, Type-10 series (Japan)
K1A1, K2 BP series (SK)
T-90M (portable BMS device) (Russia)
T-90MS (Russia)
Leclerc (France)

Tanks without Hunter Killer

T-64, 72, T-80 and 90S series (Russia, Ukraine)

T-84 basic (Ukraine)

 

[Armstrong]

Nabil : Thanks yaar ! I appreciate it !

 

[alimobin memon]

Hunter Killer system is a capability that allows an mbt to look around 360 degree battlefield and track and engage enemy on earliest basis. This technology has been the focal point in modern western MBT philosophy and today all modern western, some easternbts have this capability. Soviet/ Russian and even early Ukrainian mbts lacked this function. T-72, T-80 and even T-90S does not have this but Chinese T-98/99 series DO have it. Hunter Killer consists of independent commander and gunner thermal imagers, laser range finders, and an auto tracking facility. This capability is further aided with an advanced Battle Management System, allowing the tank crew a more comprehensive battlefield awareness.

Regarding engaging Merks, M1A2s, i do not see any reason why AK cannot engage them with efficient HK and day night capabiliity with a powerful gun and ammunition, not to mention the missile firing ability with tandem warheads. This is why it is so important to see first-engage first and where panoramic sight and HK comes in to equation.

Chinese have been impressed by our thermal imager integration, efficient 6td2 engine and auto transmission, and BMS integration so early and they have opted for the same in their new 99A, 99B series, MBT 3000 series.

MBTs with Hunter Killer function:

AK, AK-1 series (PAK)
Oplot, T-84U series (Ukraine)
M1A2 series (US)
Challenger2 series (UK)
Merkava 3, 4 series (Israel)
Leopard 2A,4,5,6 series (Germany)
Type-90, Type-10 series (Japan)
K1A1, K2 BP series (SK)
T-90M (portable device) (Russia)
T-90MS (Russia)


Tanks without Hunter Killer

T-64, 72, T-80 and 90S series (Russia, Ukraine)

T-84 basic (Ukraine)

Even cheap 75% T-72 of Iraq's arsenal had direct hit but there firepower could not penetrate the abrams, Alkhalid will definitely have great ratio of direct hit and reasonable kill ratio.

 

[Dazzler]

Even cheap 75% T-72 of Iraq's arsenal had direct hit but there firepower could not penetrate the abrams, Alkhalid will definitely have great ratio of direct hit and reasonable kill ratio.

Asad Babil (Iraqi t72) was a downgraded version of a standard T-72 that had everything monkeyed about it from its gun which was although 125 mm smoothbore but had horrible accuracy and gun pressure was not sufficient to provide enough shell velocity. There were many drawbacks found in engine and transmission by Americans who gave a few test rides in remaining T-72. Even the shells provided were downgraded from standard Soviet shells and the worst part was the armour which was even thinner than an M-60A. No wonder Abrams and Challies dominated a severely "downgraded" Asad Babil.

 

[farhan_9909]

the gun pressure of older gun was 5750

the new one being 50 cal. will have a pressure of 6250

we need a much powerfull gun with atleast 7000bars pressure

nabil bro can put light on this