Al Jazeera: Bangladesh war crimes are "unfair"

[harpoon]

Now indians will justify their criminal activities...

and Topic: soo sad tht ppls are spreading hatrate when world needs peace.....indians just like 71 are using Bangalis to spread hate....sooo sad ..

You just did that.

 

[LaBong]

And since when was Pakistan's a threat to Bangladesh's industry? The point is displaying the sheer level of extremism with the AL. You can't solve anything through that attitude.

We already import many Pakistani products. Hell, there is even a branch for the National Bank of Pakistan in Gulshan.

You really need to do bit more research on how India-Pak-BD salivate at the prospect of duty-free trade access to EU and spare me the needless keyboard exercise. It's not the first time BD has opposed Pakistan, it's been their historical position.

Really? So that makes Zia Rahman a Razakar? Some weird and interesting world your AL is trying to create.

The real criminals were Yaha Khan and Tikia Khan. It was due to the complexities of the Cold War and American support that disabled Bangladesh to bring them to trail. That along with Bangladesh's limited resources and problems.

Anyways, God has always been on our side. Bangladesh has managed to do well in spite of all the problems it faces.

Last time I checked Jamat is opposition party as well, now do you need proof of Jamat's involvement in war crimes?

You are a funny guy. I specifically asked you to provide evidence to back up your claims. Nothing more or less. And frankly, there simply doesn't seem to be any. And if you weren't concerned about Razakars, you wouldn't be commenting on this matter in the first place.

Read my post again, I didn't claim anything, I only said rajakars will be freed, nor do I bear the burden of proof. My commenting on the topic doesn't mean I'm interested in Rajakars, yeah I do cringe thinking what they did to their own people, just as I do seeing a snake or leech.

 

[Zabaniyah]

You really need to do bit more research on how India-Pak-BD salivate at the prospect of duty-free trade access to EU and spare me the needless keyboard exercise. It's not the first time BD has opposed Pakistan, it's been their historical position.

Competition is another thing.

Read the whole article.

Last time I checked Jamat is opposition party as well, now do you need proof of Jamat's involvement in war crimes?

I am not denying that Jamaat has a questionable stance.

Read my post again, I didn't claim anything, I only said rajakars will be freed, nor do I bear the burden of proof. My commenting on the topic doesn't mean I'm interested in Rajakars, yeah I do cringe thinking what they did to their own people, just as I do seeing a snake or leech.

Do you know what a Razakar is? Or how a normal court proceeding goes? Before accusing anyone, there must be evidence that'll prove them guilty. How does this make the man a Razakar? One has to bear the burden of proof in this case.

 

[kobiraaz]

please take a note!

All Bangladeshi Hate Razakars who were involved in Crimes.....!

We Just dont like it when someone use this "razakar" term against innocent islamist political opponents....

No one supports Criminal Abir'da!!

 

[monitor]

well said bro actually who were Rajakar and what was their involvement were stipulated in md akmal's writing . what happens all last 4o years were just to made political gain by pointing finger to some Islamic party for their stance in the unity of pakistan and to solve the problem of banglaee people within Pakistan not by leaving Pakistan were qwe were majority .

@ I have seen many "Razakars" in 1971. How they were recruited, how they were trained and how they helped the Pakistani Forces.

@ Some of them were politically motivated and were highly disciplined. They helped the local peaple in all aspects. They used to get Taka 100 per months and few kilos of wheat. They used to go for patrolling with the Pakistani Forces, used to show the village paths, sometimes acts as a interpretators of the Pakistani Forces.

@ About killing of innocent people and supplying women to the Pakistani Forces were 100% fabricated. Yes some of them tried to take some advantages being in power. Some of them I saw guarding the high way culverts and small bridges round the clock. Pakistan Army used to give them 303 rifle with only 10 rounds of bullets and that too everyday at 0900 hours they had to report to local Thana(Police Station). They used to guard the culverts with only three Razakars with three 303 rifle and with 30 rounds of bullets. And at night the Mukti Bahini used to surround these ill equipped Razakars. These ill trained Razakars continued to fight with the Mukties with the hope the Pak Army would come to rescue them but alas they never turned up and finally once their ammunition were finished, mukties used to buchered them and took away their weapon. In the morning the Pakistan Army used to come and used to say to their relatives, " Fhikar mat kar tera putter shahid hogiya hai ". These were the common scene in those days. In our village, there were in total 5 Razakars, all of them flade after 21 November 1971 and joined the Mukti Bahini. Still they are alive.

@ Finally I want to say majority of these common people who joined as Razakars was mainly due to proverty and by force. They did not commited any major crime in the society the way the Awami Leaquers are now propagating. Rather I will say the "Mukti Bahini", after Liberation War committed many crimes. The Mukti Bahini forces after the Liberation War killed many many innocent people in broad day light. Raping of beatiful girls in the socity was common for them. Rather I would say it was not raping enjoying in brought day light. It was gift and right for them and used to freely roam inside the houses of Collaborators. Even I marked the gurdians were also so feared that they allowed their girls to mixed with these Mukties. Whatever I saw, I just write it, there is no any exaggeration on it. They were completely out of control atlest for the next 3 to 4 months after Liberation war.

 

[InFn-0]

Now if these people are really war criminals then why are they being tried in AL made courts and not in some international court? Many people believe AL has no intention of really trying these jamaat men, they just want to get the support of secularists and so on. Lets see what future brings to us.

 

[LaBong]

Competition is another thing.

Read the whole article.

It's irrelevant, like I said it's been historical position of BD to oppose Pakistan to get the EU trade pie.

I am not denying that Jamaat has a questionable stance.

Lol at questionable stance!

Do you know what a Razakar is? Or how a normal court proceeding goes? Before accusing anyone, there must be evidence that'll prove them guilty. How does this make the man a Razakar? One has to bear the burden of proof in this case.

You're stressing on Semantics, if the man is behind the bar that means he is a prima facie, he is the man with smoking gun. Prima facie denotes evidence that – unless rebutted – would be sufficient to prove a particular proposition or fact. If he prove himself innocent, I'll stop calling him Rajakar.

 

[fallstuff]

The issue is not the guilt of the Razakars. A trial should determine that, a fair trial, not a kangaroo court. This thick Hasina went to elections with these Razakars, now she is trying to kill their alliance with BNP, hence all these farce.

 

[Bratva]

Abir, Why you stress on Razakars so much? Why not on Mukti Bahini as well? At least have some neutral view when you are discussing Bangladesh issue

 

[idune]

@Abir and indians: why is Kamal Nath is still union minister who has direct involvement in Sikh massacre. Why Modi is out doing politics? Should we not call into the fact that fundamentalism and killing spree, in scale of genocide, runs deep in many parts of india? People like Modi and Kamal Nath holding office after committing genocide proves that loud and clear. So when would you see yourself in the mirror?? Or you need help to see in graphic details what indians did to Muslims and Sikh?

We understand perfectly your intention here is to promote animosity. Same strategy india had undertook since Bangladesh independence. But general mass in Bangladesh move passed this divisionary tactics and focusing on everyday issue they face and on their livelihood. And there is ever increasing sense in Bangladesh that Pakistan was enemy 40 years ago during independence; NOT today. But TODAY india is the enemy and danger to Bangladesh and our people and sovereignty. In case you have not realized that yet - against indian killing, border aggression, hegemony and interference, Bangladeshis are more or less talking in unison. Except offcourse few chattering class who one can buy as commodity. So keep doing what you know best, rest of the world will move pass you. Perhaps, you should read what Nepal recently did.

 

[Maira La]

@Abir and indians: why is Kamal Nath is still union minister who has direct involvement in Sikh massacre. Why Modi is out doing politics? Should we not call into the fact that fundamentalism and killing spree, in scale of genocide, runs deep in many parts of india? People like Modi and Kamal Nath holding office after committing genocide proves that loud and clear. So when would you see yourself in the mirror?? Or you need help to see in graphic details what indians did to Muslims and Sikh?

We understand perfectly your intention here is to promote animosity. Same strategy india had undertook since Bangladesh independence. But general mass in Bangladesh move passed this divisionary tactics and focusing on everyday issue they face and on their livelihood. And there is ever increasing sense in Bangladesh that Pakistan was enemy 40 years ago during independence; NOT today. But TODAY india is the enemy and danger to Bangladesh and our people and sovereignty. In case you have not realized that yet - against indian killing, border aggression, hegemony and interference, Bangladeshis are more or less talking in unison. Except offcourse few chattering class who one can buy as commodity. So keep doing what you know best, rest of the world will move pass you. Perhaps, you should read what Nepal recently did.

Good one.

Nationalism is no substitute for justice.
For us, it's going to be very difficult to dig out all the evidence against the Razakars. Forgiving them is not a choice either. Yet there is not a single party in BD that can hold a fair and transparent trial.

 

[Al-zakir]

We understand perfectly your intention here is to promote animosity. Same strategy india had undertook since Bangladesh independence. But general mass in Bangladesh move passed this divisionary tactics and focusing on everyday issue they face and on their livelihood.

Well said. Most Bangladeshi would agree however we have some fitna baaz, faasadi among us.

 

[LaBong]

Abir, Why you stress on Razakars so much? Why not on Mukti Bahini as well? At least have some neutral view when you are discussing Bangladesh issue

of you read the old conversation me and toxic_pus had with agnostic_muslim you'd notice nowhere did I deny that mukti bahini indeed committed excesses.

They were, however, justified under domestic law in using force to resist the attempt by the self-appointed and illegal military regime to impose a different form of constitution upon the country to that approved by the majority of the people in a fair and free election.

But anyway lets not digress, the topic here is the rajakar.

 

[LaBong]

@Abir and indians: why is Kamal Nath is still union minister who has direct involvement in Sikh massacre. Why Modi is out doing politics? Should we not call into the fact that fundamentalism and killing spree, in scale of genocide, runs deep in many parts of india? People like Modi and Kamal Nath holding office after committing genocide proves that loud and clear. So when would you see yourself in the mirror?? Or you need help to see in graphic details what indians did to Muslims and Sikh?

We understand perfectly your intention here is to promote animosity. Same strategy india had undertook since Bangladesh independence. But general mass in Bangladesh move passed this divisionary tactics and focusing on everyday issue they face and on their livelihood. And there is ever increasing sense in Bangladesh that Pakistan was enemy 40 years ago during independence; NOT today. But TODAY india is the enemy and danger to Bangladesh and our people and sovereignty. In case you have not realized that yet - against indian killing, border aggression, hegemony and interference, Bangladeshis are more or less talking in unison. Except offcourse few chattering class who one can buy as commodity. So keep doing what you know best, rest of the world will move pass you. Perhaps, you should read what Nepal recently did.

Good rant, but should have used one of the many threads on sikh riot we have in pdf to deserve an answer.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Lol at questionable stance!

lol yourself.

You're stressing on Semantics, if the man is behind the bar that means he is a prima facie, he is the man with smoking gun. Prima facie denotes evidence that – unless rebutted – would be sufficient to prove a particular proposition or fact. If he prove himself innocent, I'll stop calling him Rajakar.

Why so obsessed with the whole Razakar thing?

The man joined the political arena back in the late 80's and active ever since the end of the Ershad era. It was way before the Liberation War! Many of the Razakars back then were tortured and executed.

The prosecution team did not reveal the details of the evidence against him. What they gonna do? Pointing fingers? It'll take more than that. Unless of-course it's a kangaroo court.

Hasina is just trying to weaken the opposition.

You see, in a movie, when you make a character being very hated by the audience, that means they just can't come up with a good story.

And frankly, you guys along with Hasina and her ilk just aren't trying hard enough. People are not that naive and stupid to fall for such lies. And the man has support, lots of support and it isn't because they are Razakars.

Just because one is a Jamaat member, does not mean that he was a collaborator (Razakar), even given that they state that breaking away from Pakistan was a mistake. I'd be happy to see an open discussion about the issue other than mere pillow fighting (which is what the AL is exactly doing).

Again, I ask YOU for proof against the man you claim as a Razakar. And if there is proof, I'd shut-up forever over the issue. Don't ask me for proof that the man was NOT a Razakar, you can't prove a negative.